I like it a lot better than 08....
The best thing about the game is that the goals are now regulation size, which means I don't keep nailing the crossbar and posts.....
I am still picking up PES09.
FIFA 09 Impressions
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I don't know if this answers your question but I posted this earlier:Zlax45 wrote:How the injuries in this?
"Two very cool things i've seen already in just one match. The first was one of my guys went down which I was unaware with an injury on the field and play was not stopped he was still down grabbing his ankle. He didn't even bother to field the ball when I kicked it in his direction.
The other one was I hit a semi weak shot at goal which beat the goalie over the top but the CPU AI had one of it's backs run towards the net and he kicked it out before it crossed the line."
I've also had to replace guys because of injuries. I find them to be the right amount.
I'm guessing that it's pretty much the same as last year unfortunately. I've had 3 injuries and none have been longer than one week. It's disappointing but given the incredible improvement in the tactical options and the gameplay and AI I can pretty much forgive it.Rodster wrote:I haven't started Manager Mode yet so I can't answer that yet, sorry.Zlax45 wrote:Do players end up staying out for over a week?
Now if I could only figure out how to win with Liverpool. Tough when the options on the wide right are Dirk Kuyt and Jermaine Pennant. Oh yes, thanks also Raffa for bloody Robbie Keane!
Best wishes,
Doug
"Every major sport has come under the influence of organized crime. FIFA actually is organized crime" - Charles Pierce
I'm absolutely floored at how good FIFA 09 is. To me this is the best sports game around bar none. It's incredible fun but it doesn't sacrific realism to achieve that feeling.
The differentiation between good teams and bad teams is amazingly well conveyed. Not only that, but the new tactical options allow the game to beautifully convey the difference even between different leagues.
Play in the premiership and you'll see many more long balls played over the top of the defense. Buildup play is fairly quick. Playing Chelsea or Arsenal and you'll find them building up with quick short passes which are played out to the fast wingers. Play La Liga, in contrast, and unless the team is behind in the dying moments you'll rarely see a long ball over the top. Teams will play much more patient buildups with short controlled passes, concentrating on support in the midfield. Play with MLS teams and you'll immediately notice that the players aren't as sharp handling the ball as the better teams in Europe are.
The AI is impressive, looking for openings in realistic ways and punishing user mistakes. The runs made by the AI are much more varied this year and you feel like you're playing with a team that's making runs into space and dragging defenders out of position. Mistakes made by players are believable and in character. Playing with Getafe I've got a keeper who is pretty awful on crosses and corner kicks. Each high ball is an adventure for him and the defenders. In contrast Reina and Liverpool were quite composed dealing with high crosses.
Scoring is hard to get the hang of and I think I've hit the woodwork one too many times. On the other hand I've played in games where my team has hit the woodwork 3 times in succession in the same attack so it's not that unrealistic.
My best moment so far was a 2-1 win at home (Getafe) over Real Madrid where Cannavaro got sent off for his second bookable offense midway through the first half. I was impressed to see the AI pull Raul off and replace him with a defender, then later put on offensive players to try and crawl back from 2-0 down. Gave up a comedy goal keeping goal midway through the 2nd half but hung on for a 2-1 win.
It's clear that the design team set out to develop the best soccer simulation out there - I think they've largely succeeded. While I'll still be getting Winning Eleven, this is the first time in 3 years that I haven't bothered preordering from Europe. I really haven't felt the need to bother doing that this year.
Best wishes,
Doug
The differentiation between good teams and bad teams is amazingly well conveyed. Not only that, but the new tactical options allow the game to beautifully convey the difference even between different leagues.
Play in the premiership and you'll see many more long balls played over the top of the defense. Buildup play is fairly quick. Playing Chelsea or Arsenal and you'll find them building up with quick short passes which are played out to the fast wingers. Play La Liga, in contrast, and unless the team is behind in the dying moments you'll rarely see a long ball over the top. Teams will play much more patient buildups with short controlled passes, concentrating on support in the midfield. Play with MLS teams and you'll immediately notice that the players aren't as sharp handling the ball as the better teams in Europe are.
The AI is impressive, looking for openings in realistic ways and punishing user mistakes. The runs made by the AI are much more varied this year and you feel like you're playing with a team that's making runs into space and dragging defenders out of position. Mistakes made by players are believable and in character. Playing with Getafe I've got a keeper who is pretty awful on crosses and corner kicks. Each high ball is an adventure for him and the defenders. In contrast Reina and Liverpool were quite composed dealing with high crosses.
Scoring is hard to get the hang of and I think I've hit the woodwork one too many times. On the other hand I've played in games where my team has hit the woodwork 3 times in succession in the same attack so it's not that unrealistic.
My best moment so far was a 2-1 win at home (Getafe) over Real Madrid where Cannavaro got sent off for his second bookable offense midway through the first half. I was impressed to see the AI pull Raul off and replace him with a defender, then later put on offensive players to try and crawl back from 2-0 down. Gave up a comedy goal keeping goal midway through the 2nd half but hung on for a 2-1 win.
It's clear that the design team set out to develop the best soccer simulation out there - I think they've largely succeeded. While I'll still be getting Winning Eleven, this is the first time in 3 years that I haven't bothered preordering from Europe. I really haven't felt the need to bother doing that this year.
Best wishes,
Doug
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Doug,
I agree with pretty much everything that you've said.
Has anyone figured out how to score consistently from 18+ yards? This is the only part of the game that is lacking, although I'm sure that it's as much due to my lack of skill.
Last year the better shooters could score pretty regularly. This year everything is either 15' over the bar or right in the keeper's breadbasket.
I agree with pretty much everything that you've said.
Has anyone figured out how to score consistently from 18+ yards? This is the only part of the game that is lacking, although I'm sure that it's as much due to my lack of skill.
Last year the better shooters could score pretty regularly. This year everything is either 15' over the bar or right in the keeper's breadbasket.
XBL Gamertag: RobVarak
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Doug - agreed. What makes this game even more special for me is that it's my first run at a Fifa game. The physical play, spacing, being able to weight paces differently, etc...it's just heaven right now.
Rob - I've been able to score in very early play from very far out with both Bentley and Modric (see in Fifa, even the Spurs can win). Only thing I can think of is that they had a good little run going, so perhaps the momentum added some extra strength to the shot. Both were beauties though!
Rob - I've been able to score in very early play from very far out with both Bentley and Modric (see in Fifa, even the Spurs can win). Only thing I can think of is that they had a good little run going, so perhaps the momentum added some extra strength to the shot. Both were beauties though!
I am loving the midfield play in this game. Errant passes, unpredictable ball, occasional midfield scrums, it's great. However, there are some things I really don't like, though it could be b/c of my PES-trained play-style.
1) How do you score on a breakaway? I played a game w/Arsenal against a scrub team, and got a lot of breakaway opportunities. Keeper would stay on his line a lot longer than he should, leaving the corners wide open for an easy shot. Except those shots are often either saved by the GK (not far enough outside) or misses JUST outside the post. I'm not sure if I'm just doing something wrong, or what...
1b) How do you score from outside the box with players that aren't on elite teams?
2) Is there any way to get some power on a header? I haven't seen a single snap header in the game, and it seems like every header is really, really weak.
3) Is there some way to get some pace on a cross? One thing I really like about PES is that the crosses have great pace, and you can really tell the difference between a great crosser and a scrub crosser. I'm not feeling that difference here.
1) How do you score on a breakaway? I played a game w/Arsenal against a scrub team, and got a lot of breakaway opportunities. Keeper would stay on his line a lot longer than he should, leaving the corners wide open for an easy shot. Except those shots are often either saved by the GK (not far enough outside) or misses JUST outside the post. I'm not sure if I'm just doing something wrong, or what...
1b) How do you score from outside the box with players that aren't on elite teams?
2) Is there any way to get some power on a header? I haven't seen a single snap header in the game, and it seems like every header is really, really weak.
3) Is there some way to get some pace on a cross? One thing I really like about PES is that the crosses have great pace, and you can really tell the difference between a great crosser and a scrub crosser. I'm not feeling that difference here.
1) There's no real money goal on 1-on-1s. You just have to time it right. Sometimes I just smash it throw the goalie. Sometimes I use the RB for a finesse shot, not a lob shot.Jared wrote:I am loving the midfield play in this game. Errant passes, unpredictable ball, occasional midfield scrums, it's great. However, there are some things I really don't like, though it could be b/c of my PES-trained play-style.
1) How do you score on a breakaway? I played a game w/Arsenal against a scrub team, and got a lot of breakaway opportunities. Keeper would stay on his line a lot longer than he should, leaving the corners wide open for an easy shot. Except those shots are often either saved by the GK (not far enough outside) or misses JUST outside the post. I'm not sure if I'm just doing something wrong, or what...
1b) How do you score from outside the box with players that aren't on elite teams?
2) Is there any way to get some power on a header? I haven't seen a single snap header in the game, and it seems like every header is really, really weak.
3) Is there some way to get some pace on a cross? One thing I really like about PES is that the crosses have great pace, and you can really tell the difference between a great crosser and a scrub crosser. I'm not feeling that difference here.
2) Just have to shoot. No real trick here. When you do pull them off, they feel nice because there's no more seeing-eye shots in FIFA. Or they have done a better job of hiding them.
3) It comes down to momentum. They are a bit weaker than PES but I think PES are also weak. Anyway they probably happen less frequently than PES but you can still get a bunch of headers. Try it with Jo and Man City.
4) I use LB and cross. I don't know if that helps or what. I think that's a low cross. But it could also just be something left-over from my PES days. Again it's weaker than PES but not by that much. Ya there's no real difference from Beckham to Wright-Phillips except for accuracy.
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I always, ALWAYS use the finesse button and it works fantastically. Just put the absolute slightest touch on it to one side or the other and use finesse.Jared wrote:I am loving the midfield play in this game. Errant passes, unpredictable ball, occasional midfield scrums, it's great. However, there are some things I really don't like, though it could be b/c of my PES-trained play-style.
1) How do you score on a breakaway? I played a game w/Arsenal against a scrub team, and got a lot of breakaway opportunities. Keeper would stay on his line a lot longer than he should, leaving the corners wide open for an easy shot. Except those shots are often either saved by the GK (not far enough outside) or misses JUST outside the post. I'm not sure if I'm just doing something wrong, or what...
This is the one part of the offline game that I have down pretty good.
No idea. LOLJared wrote:1b) How do you score from outside the box with players that aren't on elite teams?
I think it has much to do with the player ratings, but if you can get a running jump you'll see some monsters.Jared wrote: 2) Is there any way to get some power on a header? I haven't seen a single snap header in the game, and it seems like every header is really, really weak.
I double-tap in those situations.Jared wrote:3) Is there some way to get some pace on a cross? One thing I really like about PES is that the crosses have great pace, and you can really tell the difference between a great crosser and a scrub crosser. I'm not feeling that difference here.
XBL Gamertag: RobVarak
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Yep scoring on shots outside the box is quite difficult - and I'm not exactly a goal scoring machine in the game anyway!RobVarak wrote:Doug,
I agree with pretty much everything that you've said.
Has anyone figured out how to score consistently from 18+ yards? This is the only part of the game that is lacking, although I'm sure that it's as much due to my lack of skill.
Last year the better shooters could score pretty regularly. This year everything is either 15' over the bar or right in the keeper's breadbasket.
I think it's pretty well modelled as most players in real life have difficulty getting their shots on target, particularly when under pressure. Players who score consistently from outside the 18 yard box are likely a pretty tiny minority. What Iwould like though is a little more feedback as to why I missed the shot. Balance and momentum are absolutely key the harder the shot. Probably holding the pace button just before hitting the shot helps somewhat as long as you end up facing the goal before you hammer away. I've tried a double tap on the shoot button and have ended up with better shots - it seems to prevent accidently overpowering which I do alot in the heat of the action. The only other thing to suggest is practicing shots in the arena. I really wish there was a proper practice mode!
Jared, double tapping on 1 on 1 shots can also help when you're in alone on the keeper. I think Rob's probably got the ideal method for scoring on 1 but I find it often difficult not to screw up when using the finesse method - I've always found the 360 controller more awkward to use than the Playstation controller. If you can move a little laterally with the player shortly before taking the shot on net this sometimes helps open up more net.
Best wishes,
Doug
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Like Rob, I had some success using the finesse shot when facing the keeper
after a breakaway and a little pump fake makes the goalie commit early. Doug, I also would tend to double tap quickly on the shoot button in some cases as I tend to overshoot or the goalie is too good. On crosses, remember that a double tap is medium height and a triple tap a ground cross.
I just wish that the camera on the practice arena was better so that I can see how much I am missing with the free kicks.
after a breakaway and a little pump fake makes the goalie commit early. Doug, I also would tend to double tap quickly on the shoot button in some cases as I tend to overshoot or the goalie is too good. On crosses, remember that a double tap is medium height and a triple tap a ground cross.
I just wish that the camera on the practice arena was better so that I can see how much I am missing with the free kicks.
You can do free kicks in the practice arena? (Man, don't I sound like a FIFA novice...)
I'll try these suggestions. Though I think that it shouldn't be necessary to use a special shot to simply put the ball in a corner from 12-15 yards out with the keeper not fully off his line yet. I'm not looking for money goals, but would like to see a higher percentage of these easy shots going in (as the "window" between shooting at the keeper and just outside the post seems miniscule unless you're 10 yards in or less. I think PES really had shooting down, both in the percentage of finishes on breakaways, and the percentage of shots from outside that go in.
As for headers, I've seen some decent running headers. But I haven't seen any real good examples of a snap header. I'd love it if they added this.
These complaints said, however, this game is a big improvement over FIFA 08, imo.
I'll try these suggestions. Though I think that it shouldn't be necessary to use a special shot to simply put the ball in a corner from 12-15 yards out with the keeper not fully off his line yet. I'm not looking for money goals, but would like to see a higher percentage of these easy shots going in (as the "window" between shooting at the keeper and just outside the post seems miniscule unless you're 10 yards in or less. I think PES really had shooting down, both in the percentage of finishes on breakaways, and the percentage of shots from outside that go in.
As for headers, I've seen some decent running headers. But I haven't seen any real good examples of a snap header. I'd love it if they added this.
These complaints said, however, this game is a big improvement over FIFA 08, imo.
What difficulty are you playing on? You playing with crappy teams? I've only tried a few games thus far, but so far I've found it too easy to roll it in off the post. My last game I hit the post 4 times on such plays, with 3 of those banking in.Jared wrote:I'll try these suggestions. Though I think that it shouldn't be necessary to use a special shot to simply put the ball in a corner from 12-15 yards out with the keeper not fully off his line yet. I'm not looking for money goals, but would like to see a higher percentage of these easy shots going in (as the "window" between shooting at the keeper and just outside the post seems miniscule unless you're 10 yards in or less. I think PES really had shooting down, both in the percentage of finishes on breakaways, and the percentage of shots from outside that go in.
As for headers, I've seen some decent running headers. But I haven't seen any real good examples of a snap header. I'd love it if they added this.
These complaints said, however, this game is a big improvement over FIFA 08, imo.
From any distance just press the directional button tot he right and the player will stop. From there just adjust the angle of where you'd like the kick to go and practice, practice. But again the camera angle unfortunately doens't really focus enough on where the ball ends up, except when it's clearly out or when you hit a weak shot.Jared wrote:You can do free kicks in the practice arena? (Man, don't I sound like a FIFA novice...)
Jared,
Regarding headers, ya there are not as many snap headers.
I think the goalkeepers are still a bit too good. The game would be better served if they were more dynamic and only the best in the world play like they do now.
Now I think 1 on 1s are just fine. It takes a while to get used to them. In FIFA 08, I could slightly turn and get the GK to take a wrong angle. I just instinctively do that here. If you just fire a shot, it will get block most of the time.
I think FIFA 09 is slightly easier than FIFA 08. And that's due to lack of robo-AI by the CPU. If FIFA 08, there were times where a well place off balanced was going to be kicked perfectly on the volley at full sprint for a goal. I'm glad they took that out of the game. I'm disappointed they didn't do more to create a bigger difference between teams.
I think the problem stem from FIFA trying to be more like PES/WE. WE is an up and down, ping pong game. The CPU doesn't really hold the ball. They pass it back and set-up better than FIFA but as quickly as they do they propel it forward.
I wish they made strong teams hold onto the ball. If Newcastle played Chelsea you might see 60% or higher possession by Chelsea and they would out shot Newcastle. Well in the game, Chelsea doesn't really hold the ball they just kick it forward.
I've been messing with the custom tactics and I think we can "slider" tactics to enhance the experience. I jsut haven't found the right mix.
Regarding headers, ya there are not as many snap headers.
I think the goalkeepers are still a bit too good. The game would be better served if they were more dynamic and only the best in the world play like they do now.
Now I think 1 on 1s are just fine. It takes a while to get used to them. In FIFA 08, I could slightly turn and get the GK to take a wrong angle. I just instinctively do that here. If you just fire a shot, it will get block most of the time.
I think FIFA 09 is slightly easier than FIFA 08. And that's due to lack of robo-AI by the CPU. If FIFA 08, there were times where a well place off balanced was going to be kicked perfectly on the volley at full sprint for a goal. I'm glad they took that out of the game. I'm disappointed they didn't do more to create a bigger difference between teams.
I think the problem stem from FIFA trying to be more like PES/WE. WE is an up and down, ping pong game. The CPU doesn't really hold the ball. They pass it back and set-up better than FIFA but as quickly as they do they propel it forward.
I wish they made strong teams hold onto the ball. If Newcastle played Chelsea you might see 60% or higher possession by Chelsea and they would out shot Newcastle. Well in the game, Chelsea doesn't really hold the ball they just kick it forward.
I've been messing with the custom tactics and I think we can "slider" tactics to enhance the experience. I jsut haven't found the right mix.
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Well waddya know? It is possible to score from 20+ yards. I even managed it with my scrappy Colchester team!
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"Ok I'm an elitist, but I have a healthy respect for people who don't measure up." --Aaron Sorkin
"Ok I'm an elitist, but I have a healthy respect for people who don't measure up." --Aaron Sorkin
Holy crap, nice goal! The authorities might want to drop by for a urine sample though - it looked from that ange like he side footed it!RobVarak wrote:Well waddya know? It is possible to score from 20+ yards. I even managed it with my scrappy Colchester team!
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Best wishes,
Doug
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