OT: Elections/Politics thread, part 4

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:15 pm

matthewk wrote:If Obama does win the election, what the over/under on how many times he will blame the Bush administration for something gone wrong under his watch?

Every administration does that except when it's of your own party. Bush-Clinton. Reagan-Carter. Bush-clinton.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:17 pm

So here's a question: What WON'T they do to try and ensure an Obama victory?

Answer: not much.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezk ... 08.article

Federal prosecutors asked a judge Monday to indefinitely postpone Tony Rezko's scheduled Oct. 28 sentencing on corruption charges, acknowledging they are engaged in talks with the former top political fund-raiser for Sen. Barack Obama, Gov. Blagojevich and others "that could affect . . . sentencing."

If a judge agrees to delay Rezko's sentencing, it could be good news for Democratic presidential nominee Obama because the former Obama friend and fund-raiser was set to be sentenced just days before the Nov. 4 election.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:47 pm

Teal wrote:So here's a question: What WON'T they do to try and ensure an Obama victory?

Answer: not much.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezk ... 08.article

Federal prosecutors asked a judge Monday to indefinitely postpone Tony Rezko's scheduled Oct. 28 sentencing on corruption charges, acknowledging they are engaged in talks with the former top political fund-raiser for Sen. Barack Obama, Gov. Blagojevich and others "that could affect . . . sentencing."

If a judge agrees to delay Rezko's sentencing, it could be good news for Democratic presidential nominee Obama because the former Obama friend and fund-raiser was set to be sentenced just days before the Nov. 4 election.

I really don't think there is a conspiracy here. First of all the prosecutors are not Democrats. Also, Judge St. Eve is a Bush appointee.

This is all about Blagojevich, not Obama. Blago is the real target of the Rezko prosecution. The Feds have wanted his head for at least 5 years, and they know they're close to the indictment of a second consecutive Illinois governor.

Louisiana's got nothing on us!!

FatPitcher · Post by **FatPitcher** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:25 pm

JRod wrote:
FatPitcher wrote:
JRod wrote:
Comedy doesn't really protect anybody. If Obama does something stupid, which he hasn't so far

You a reporter, by any chance?
Please, if just once you guys would step outside the partisan victim mindset for one minute...

Obama has not done much to be lampooned by the media. We are talkling major gaffes like give a Palin type interview. Not policy decisions or platform.

His campaign reminds me of Bush's campaign. They were disciplined, on message every day and on offense every day. They aren't playing defense much expect for when Palin was selected.

Like I said, comedy protects no one. If it's going to get laughs, people will go after Obama. So far he's not committed those types of glaring errors.

Oh, so I am a partisan victim saying that all the candidates have said some pretty dumb things, while you, declaring that the great one has never done anything worthy of being mocked, look only through the unblemished lens of truth. You are a walking glass house, man, not the "voice of reason" you try to project.

If you can stomach a pure conservative blog:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=si ... e&aq=f&oq=

Of course, you have a valid excuse for not knowing of any of these--they weren't ridiculed and recycled in the mainstream press for days on end, and thus, there was no cue for you to point and laugh.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:57 pm

[quote="FatPitcher]
Of course, you have a valid excuse for not knowing of any of these--they weren't ridiculed and recycled in the mainstream press for days on end, and thus, there was no cue for you to point and laugh.[/quote]

SNL can't tell a joke where the majority of it's viewship doesn't know what they are talking about. If SNL is to make a joke about Palin, then the country has to have similar knowlege about what Palin did.

Most saw, repeated over and over, on the mainstream media, Palin's horrendous interviews. SNL can take that a make a skit. Letterman and Leno can do a monologue on it.

You can't deliver a joke where the audience doesn't know what you are talking about. Obama has not made a huge major gaffe to the Palin level. You think Resko jokes are goign to get laughs. Or how about how Obama is "cool". That may be funny but I bet most of the audience doesn't know about those things.

You simply don't understand what I'm saying and what you want to hear. I'm not saying Obama has not made a gaffe, he's not made a mistake so severe that he gets lampooned by it.

You don't think they TDS, Colbert, Letterman and Leno wouldn't go after Obama. I seem to remember how they all lampooned Kerry 4 years ago. You also seem to forget the Clinton years where every night was a Clinton joke.

If Obama wins, he'll receive most of the jokes because he'll by the President.

Right now Obama has not committed a major gaffe to the level of comedic value as Palin did. That's pretty clear.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:18 pm

JRod wrote:Right now Obama has not committed a major gaffe to the level of comedic value as Palin did. That's pretty clear.

REALLY?

I submit, yet again...

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The explanation of why this hasn't been spoofed, at all, might lie, in part, in this tidbit:

JRod wrote:Most saw, repeated over and over, on the mainstream media, Palin's horrendous interviews.

There's never anything Barry does or says, repeated over and over, unless it's 'hope', or 'change', or...whatever can be couched in a positive way.(EDIT: or "uh,uh,uh,uh,uh,uh")lol

The man's a liar. That's not usually funny, but it needs to be told at least once with some conviction. I don't care if the damned guy gets lampooned...but I do care if he doesn't get vetted.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:22 pm

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:22 pm

Those are all doctored videos.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:28 pm

Here's the SNL skit from this past weekend-before NBC finds it on youtube and pulls it:

<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/k3igb71c_XI&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed>

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:31 pm

This thread is only going to get funnier in the next month. I'm gonna have to stock up on popcorn.

dougb · Post by **dougb** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:34 pm

Feanor wrote:This thread is only going to get funnier in the next month. I'm gonna have to stock up on popcorn.

What's the over/under on Jared's blood pressure?

Best wishes,

Doug

TheHiddenTrack · Post by **TheHiddenTrack** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:34 pm

Obviously the daily show has a bias, but they don't just make up their material out of thin air. McCain has a longer record than Obama and it's easy to pick apart, as you can see here:
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JRod · Post by **JRod** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:38 pm

[quote="Teal]
The man's a liar. That's not usually funny, but it needs to be told at least once with some conviction. I don't care if the damned guy gets lampooned...but I do care if he doesn't get vetted.[/quote]

He's been vetted by the his own party and will be vetted by the nation in November.

You just don't think it's enough because you don't support him. That's the plain truth. That's fine but it's your opinion that the media didn't do enough to take him down. And it's also your opinion that the media is attacking McCain/Palin more the Obama/Biden.

Could it be that they are just running a better campaign than McCain/Palin. Four years ago, the exact opposite happened. Kerry ran a poor campaign and Bush didn't. In 2000, many critics say Bush ran a better field and media campaign than Gore.

Campaign fibs are par for the course. To say that Obama is lying is also saying the McCain is also a liar. They both have stretched, fibbed, mangled voting records. The only reason you have a problem with Obama is because you don't support him.

Sites like Factcheck have picked apart ads on both sides. But that doesn't matter does it? Just becuase Obama is up and McCain is down is the reason why McCain is the victim and Obama is a untouchable.

If Obama was making gaffe after gaffe, his campaign would be losing. It's not, the campaign he set-up is beating McCain in every area. That's a tough pill to swallow if you support McCain. Obama is running a disciplined campaign making few critical errors. Even fewer gaffes for the media to us against him.

Don't confuse that with unblinded support of Obama.

FatPitcher · Post by **FatPitcher** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:40 pm

JRod wrote:
FatPitcher wrote: Of course, you have a valid excuse for not knowing of any of these--they weren't ridiculed and recycled in the mainstream press for days on end, and thus, there was no cue for you to point and laugh.
SNL can't tell a joke where the majority of it's viewship doesn't know what they are talking about. If SNL is to make a joke about Palin, then the country has to have similar knowlege about what Palin did.

Most saw, repeated over and over, on the mainstream media, Palin's horrendous interviews. SNL can take that a make a skit. Letterman and Leno can do a monologue on it.

You can't deliver a joke where the audience doesn't know what you are talking about. Obama has not made a huge major gaffe to the Palin level. You think Resko jokes are goign to get laughs. Or how about how Obama is "cool". That may be funny but I bet most of the audience doesn't know about those things.

You simply don't understand what I'm saying and what you want to hear. I'm not saying Obama has not made a gaffe, he's not made a mistake so severe that he gets lampooned by it.

You don't think they TDS, Colbert, Letterman and Leno wouldn't go after Obama. I seem to remember how they all lampooned Kerry 4 years ago. You also seem to forget the Clinton years where every night was a Clinton joke.

If Obama wins, he'll receive most of the jokes because he'll by the President.

Right now Obama has not committed a major gaffe to the level of comedic value as Palin did. That's pretty clear.

Don't care who SNL makes fun of. It was your "Obama's never said or done anything worthy of being mocked" bit that caused me to respond.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:47 pm

JRod wrote: Don't confuse that with unblinded support of Obama.

Oh, I don't. It's definitely totally blinded support.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:03 pm

Yogi Berra?

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:11 pm

dougb wrote:
Feanor wrote:This thread is only going to get funnier in the next month. I'm gonna have to stock up on popcorn.
What's the over/under on Jared's blood pressure?

Best wishes,

Doug

The hell with his blood pressure! The real question is if we'll peg the Defcon needle

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:21 pm

A propos of my repeated hammering of Obama's alleged tax cuts:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122333585431009523.html

The Clinton years hold some good lessons on both these scores. Back when Mr. Clinton was campaigning for president in 1992, he made a pretty direct pitch: Raise taxes on people making more than $200,000, and use those revenues to fund tax relief for the "forgotten middle class."

In an October presidential debate, then-Gov. Clinton laid out the marginal-rate increase he wanted and some of his plans for the revenue that would be brought in. He followed with a pledge:

"Now, I'll tell you this," he said. "I will not raise taxes on the middle class to pay for these programs. If the money does not come in there to pay for these programs, we will cut other government spending, or we will slow down the phase-in of the programs."

Mr. Clinton, of course, won that election. And as the inauguration approached, he began backtracking from his promise. At a Jan. 14, 1993, press conference in New Hampshire, he claimed that it was the media that had played up a middle-class tax cut, not him. A month later, he announced his actual plan before a joint session of Congress.

On page one of the New York Times, the paper described the fate of the middle-class tax cut this way: "Families earning as little as $20,000 a year -- members of the 'forgotten middle class' whose taxes he promised during his campaign to cut -- will also be asked to send more dollars to Washington under the President's plan."

This election is similar in many ways to the '92 election. Economic uncertainty, an older GOP candidate and a Democrat who has mobilized the youth vote.

I wouldn't mind seein McCain draw the comparison in the debate tonight. He should have a pin reading, "Beware of Democrats bearing tax cuts."

Seriously, if he wants to turn things around he needs to look in the camera and convince Americans that he is the only candidate with both a plan to help the economy and the credibility to actually carry it out.

Right now Americans might buy the credibility argument, but they don't think he has a plan. He needs to articulate more clearly his vision and what it means for the average American, something that George H.W. Bush was never able to do. Biggest night of McCain's political life.

GameSeven · Post by **GameSeven** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:31 pm

RobVarak wrote:I wouldn't mind seein McCain draw the comparison in the debate tonight. He should have a pin reading, "Beware of Democrats bearing tax cuts."

Swept up in Palin-mania Rob?

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:33 pm

GameSeven wrote:
RobVarak wrote:I wouldn't mind seein McCain draw the comparison in the debate tonight. He should have a pin reading, "Beware of Democrats bearing tax cuts."
Swept up in Palin-mania Rob?

LMAO. Cooking and posting at the same time = more typos.

dougb · Post by **dougb** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:14 pm

RobVarak wrote:
dougb wrote:
Feanor wrote:This thread is only going to get funnier in the next month. I'm gonna have to stock up on popcorn.
What's the over/under on Jared's blood pressure?

Best wishes,

Doug
The hell with his blood pressure! The real question is if we'll peg the Defcon needle

Pictures Jared in a big command center ala Wargames, siren's going off, staff on headsets!

Best wishes,

Doug

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:36 pm

dougb wrote:
RobVarak wrote:
dougb wrote: What's the over/under on Jared's blood pressure?

Best wishes,

Doug
The hell with his blood pressure! The real question is if we'll peg the Defcon needle
Pictures Jared in a big command center ala Wargames, siren's going off, staff on headsets!

Best wishes,

Doug

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:49 pm

Teal wrote:
JRod wrote: Don't confuse that with unblinded support of Obama.
Oh, I don't. It's definitely totally blinded support.

What a joke of a response.

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:10 pm

Man, one unexpected effect of last week's debate (watching tonight's debate): McCain is such a bright, intelligent, and well spoken guy. Then I thought about Palin last week with her dumb wink'n, u betchas, not answering questions, & such. The poor guy really deserves better. I felt bad for him tonight in that regard.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:44 pm

JRod wrote:
Teal wrote:
JRod wrote: Don't confuse that with unblinded support of Obama.
Oh, I don't. It's definitely totally blinded support.
What a joke of a response.

At the risk of raising the defcon level, whatever. I thought you weren't going to respond to me anymore. I kinda enjoyed that...while it lasted. Oh well. Next time, give me something to answer.