2008 NFL Season

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:51 pm

RobVarak wrote:I thought he was in when the play was run live, but the replay showed that Alex Brown was twisting him away from the goal line and about 3 guys hit him just in time. The ball was clearly visible the entire time, and it never broke the plane.

Yep. Brown saved the Bears' ass on fourth down. As I saw the replay of that fourth-and-1, I said out loud, "Who was that dude who came screaming in from the end to rip the runner back?"

It was Brown.

I'm still stunned that Reid didn't try a McNabb rollout or play-action at least once, considering the Bears had about 10 men in the box on third and fourth down.

Take care,
PK

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:55 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:How the hell can the Eagles not bootleg one of them? Do they know who their QB is? Sure, he's not the same guy as he used to be running with the ball...but get him into space around the goal line with a LB or a DB...I've got DMac 9 times out of 10.

I totally agree but I think the fact that they tried doing that in the 3rd quarter and he almost threw an interception was the reason he didn't. Still, you roll him out on a play action and you have options rather than all or nothing.

barking_dogma · Post by **barking_dogma** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:14 pm

Tennessee 4-0? They really aren't that good are they?

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:35 pm

With the Eagles, I think Reid figured the shortest path between two points is a straight line. Not a bad call, the Bears (specifically Alex Brown) just executed better than the Eagles blockers did. The Bears have enough team speed to stop an old McNabb on a boot, and I think playaction from the goal line tends to succeed less often then trying to run up the gut.

As for the Bills, I'd say the comeback wins say a lot about the team. Even good NFL teams struggle on the road (see the Broncos against the woeful Chiefs yesterday), so I don't see them falling behind to the Rams as important as coming back to kick the crap out of them. With the Raiders win, good teams have those kinds of games. What makes them good is they win them. Not calling them world-beaters, but I don't think the 4-0 is a fluke. It's funny that they and the Titans are 4-0, because both teams are kind of similar in their strengths and approaches.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:41 pm

No one said 4-0 is a fluke. 4 and 0 is 4 and 0...regardless of how you get there. I'm just saying I don't think they are QUITE as good as the media is making them out to be. They are starting to get the pub now. I think the Titans are significantly better than the Bills...at least right now. Giving up just over 10 points per game is a ticket to a fairly successful season. That, of course, is subject to change at any time.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:47 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:No one said 4-0 is a fluke. 4 and 0 is 4 and 0...regardless of how you get there. I'm just saying I don't think they are QUITE as good as the media is making them out to be. They are starting to get the pub now. I think the Titans are significantly better than the Bills...at least right now. Giving up just over 10 points per game is a ticket to a fairly successful season. That, of course, is subject to change at any time.

There will be a dozen teams at least that have 4-0 stretches during the season. The one's who start out that way get disproportionate attention.

I think the Titans and Bills are both playoff teams, but neither are going to dominate the rest of the way.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:31 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:No one said 4-0 is a fluke. 4 and 0 is 4 and 0...regardless of how you get there. I'm just saying I don't think they are QUITE as good as the media is making them out to be. They are starting to get the pub now. I think the Titans are significantly better than the Bills...at least right now. Giving up just over 10 points per game is a ticket to a fairly successful season. That, of course, is subject to change at any time.

I agree. The collective record of the Bills' four opponents this season is 4-11. They haven't exactly beaten Murderers Row.

Then again, I'm not seeing the media love-in over the Bills, either. No one is putting them at the level of Dallas, Washington or Philly. Peter King called Trent Edwards his first quarter NFL MVP, and Edwards is playing really well and showing a ton of moxie late in games. That's about the highest praise I've seen for the Bills so far.

Tennessee's defense is tough as hell. The Titans are reminding me more and more of the 2000 Ravens, who won with defense and asked their QB (insert Collins for Dilfer) to do nothing but be efficient and smart.

Still, it's very, very refreshing to feel this damn good about my team for the first time in a long time. My goal still remains the same for the Bills as it did in camp: Make the playoffs. That's it -- I don't have Super Bowl fever yet.

Take care,
PK

bdunn13 · Post by **bdunn13** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:51 pm

Why does TO think he is a big time receiver? It must be his mouth as his hands are made of stone. He drops more balls than even average receivers. Thrash might of had better hands than he does.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:20 pm

TO has Hall of Fame numbers doesn't he?

Probably second in TDs for WRs all-time?

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:50 pm

wco81 wrote:TO has Hall of Fame numbers doesn't he?

Probably second in TDs for WRs all-time?

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Brad's right though he drops a lot of balls, and it has cost him teams at times.

He's a HOF after the catch for sure, but him catching the ball is no certainty.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:01 pm

True a lot of drops and you can even say he's not made enough plays in big games.

His biggest catch was probably that last-second TD to beat the Packers in the first or second-round playoff game at Candlestick.

He had a decent game in the SuperBowl. Maybe if he was fully healthy, he could have put the Eagles over the top.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:25 pm

Kiffin canned. Knock me over with a feather.

Take care,
PK

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:27 pm

pk500 wrote:Kiffin canned. Knock me over with a feather.

Take care,
PK

That has to be the worst coaching job in the NFL. There are some other places that are bad, but working for The Crypt Keeper would be awful.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:30 pm

Not only that, Davis apparently intends not to pay the remaining $3.5 million on Kiffin's contract.

Davis was supposedly trying to get out of the contractual obligations before the season and if he could, Kiffin would have been fired then.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:06 pm

wco81 wrote:Not only that, Davis apparently intends not to pay the remaining $3.5 million on Kiffin's contract.

Sheesh. It will be quite the soap opera to see how Davis tries to pull that off.

Take care,
PK

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:49 pm

I can't understand who would want to take the Raiders coaching job, or go their as a free agent. It's where careers go to die.

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:04 pm

Al Davis reminds me of Bill Wirtz. It's a shame, the Raiders have some decent talent on both sides of the ball but just can't put together a full 60 minutes.

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:10 pm

pk500 wrote:
wco81 wrote:Not only that, Davis apparently intends not to pay the remaining $3.5 million on Kiffin's contract.
Sheesh. It will be quite the soap opera to see how Davis tries to pull that off.

Take care,
PK

The video clip on ESPN says he withheld pay when Mike Shanahan was the Raiders Head Coach. Al Davis is a d***** bag. And as Danimal said I don't know who in their right mind would want to be a part of that circus.

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/vid ... Id=2378529

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:38 pm

pk500 wrote:
wco81 wrote:Not only that, Davis apparently intends not to pay the remaining $3.5 million on Kiffin's contract.
Sheesh. It will be quite the soap opera to see how Davis tries to pull that off.

Take care,
PK

Davis is laying the foundation that Kiffin broke his contract by 'leaking' inside information to reporters (Chris Mortensen especially), hence no need to pay him.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:06 pm

Well a couple of ex-Raider coaches went on to bigger and better things.

Plus it's a multi-million dollar payday, which is more than most assistant coaches get.

Heard that a couple of years ago, Davis wanted Pettrino but a successful college coach can probably make more than entry-level NFL head coaches.

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:23 pm

College coaches make very good money now and in some cases they make even more than NFL HC. Nick Saban I think makes $5 million plus per year and they don't have the long hours NFL HC put in.

I think being a HC in College is the way to go. You make major jack and don't have to put in 16 hours days basically 365 days a year.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:03 pm

Rodster wrote:College coaches make very good money now and in some cases they make even more than NFL HC. Nick Saban I think makes $5 million plus per year and they don't have the long hours NFL HC put in.

I think being a HC in College is the way to go. You make major jack and don't have to put in 16 hours days basically 365 days a year.

Hey, look at Greg Robinson at Syracuse: He has eight wins in three-plus seasons, and he makes $1 million per year. That's a tidy $500,000 per victory if SU finishes with only one victory this season, which looks very likely.

Not a bad gig if you can get it.

Take care,
PK

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:16 pm

Rodster wrote:
pk500 wrote:
wco81 wrote:Not only that, Davis apparently intends not to pay the remaining $3.5 million on Kiffin's contract.
Sheesh. It will be quite the soap opera to see how Davis tries to pull that off.

Take care,
PK
The video clip on ESPN says he withheld pay when Mike Shanahan was the Raiders Head Coach. Al Davis is a d***** bag. And as Danimal said I don't know who in their right mind would want to be a part of that circus.

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/vid ... Id=2378529

Mike Shanahan's disagreement was over something like 800k. Al David never did pay him. That's why Shanahan tries to run up the score against the Raiders.

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:25 pm

After watching the Raiders press conference, I feel sorry for all the players, OAK fans and new coach Tom Cable. The players for obvious reasons, and Cable because he seems like a genuinely nice guy... He's got no chance with Davis as owner. Who would want to coach with this egomaniac owner?

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:02 pm

My Phins are 2-2 after taking down the Bolts.