OT: 2008 Elections/Politics thread, Part 3

[XXXIV]

I'm simply offering information so people can get more accurate picture of the candidates.

So where are all your stories about Biden?

The independents will be right on that. Give them about 60 more days.

[Jackdog]

How bout that Charlie Rangel?

You know, I was all about to give ole Chuck a free pass when I read some new info. I can live with the not reporting income. I'll buy that "I didn't profit line." But then he admits his mortgage on that bungaloo is zero interest? Something smells rotten in the Carribean.

Speaking of Charlie Rangel, sounds like he and Palin have something in common:

http://bojack.org/2008/09/governor_pali ... eturn.html

They both must have read Robert Wexler's book.

http://www.openmarket.org/2008/07/28/ro ... ncy-fraud/

[Jackdog]

He didn't change it. Barack is his birth name. People were calling him "Barry" as a nickname for a while and he decided to stick with Barack.
Lots of people use a nickname thru childhood and then revert back to their formal, birth given name in adulthood. Not a big deal.

Not just people. His family.

The way his half sister, Maya, remembers it, Obama returned home at Christmas in 1980, and there he told his mother and grandparents: no more Barry. Obama recalls it slightly differently, but in the same basic time frame. He believes he told his mom he wanted to be called Barack when she visited him in New York the following summer. By both accounts, it seemed that the elder relatives were reluctant to embrace the change. Maya recalls that Obama's maternal grandparents, who had played a big role in raising him, continued long after that to call him by an affectionate nickname, "Bar." "Not just them, but my mom, too," says Obama.

[Teal]

How bout that Charlie Rangel?

You know, I was all about to give ole Chuck a free pass when I read some new info. I can live with the not reporting income. I'll buy that "I didn't profit line." But then he admits his mortgage on that bungaloo is zero interest? Something smells rotten in the Carribean.

Speaking of Charlie Rangel, sounds like he and Palin have something in common:

http://bojack.org/2008/09/governor_pali ... eturn.html

"Whether these charges were legitimate under Alaska rules and regulations, I haven't a clue."

More reaching...

[EZSnappin]

He didn't change it. Barack is his birth name. People were calling him "Barry" as a nickname for a while and he decided to stick with Barack.
Lots of people use a nickname thru childhood and then revert back to their formal, birth given name in adulthood. Not a big deal.

Not just people. His family.

The way his half sister, Maya, remembers it, Obama returned home at Christmas in 1980, and there he told his mother and grandparents: no more Barry. Obama recalls it slightly differently, but in the same basic time frame. He believes he told his mom he wanted to be called Barack when she visited him in New York the following summer. By both accounts, it seemed that the elder relatives were reluctant to embrace the change. Maya recalls that Obama's maternal grandparents, who had played a big role in raising him, continued long after that to call him by an affectionate nickname, "Bar." "Not just them, but my mom, too," says Obama.

My Uncle William was called Billy or Bill until he went to college. His family, friends and strangers all now call him William (though my father slips up now and again). This is easily the silliest thing you've tried to use to cast aspersions on Obama. Do you think somebody once called McCain Johnny?

[RobVarak]

Another "feminist" displays her brilliance. Seriously, this stuff just keeps getting better and better.

Her greatest hypocrisy is in her pretense that she is a woman.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfa ... s_the.html

And speaking of people making a pretense of being a woman. People in glass zoo cages shouldn't throw stones

[matthewk]

"Whether these charges were legitimate under Alaska rules and regulations, I haven't a clue."

More reaching...

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who caught that. So some liberal blogger is suddenly more adept at tax rules than the IRS. Oh wait, he hasn't got a clue (and not just on taxes I'd wager).

[Jackdog]

My Uncle William was called Billy or Bill until he went to college. His family, friends and strangers all now call him William (though my father slips up now and again). This is easily the silliest thing you've tried to use to cast aspersions on Obama. Do you think somebody once called McCain Johnny?

Newsweek did the article not me. I just read it and gave my opinion on it. If you think my opinion is silly so be it. I believe it says a lot about how he wanted to be percieved in the black community then and now. He was cool with Barry when he was in a mostly white crowd. But he knew what would sell in Chicago and it wasn't Barry. He wanted to be so accepted he went to Wright's church for 20 years. What's silly to me is that people believe that he sat in Wright's church for 20 years and says he never heard any racist rants. Keep it real Barr...Barack.

[GameSeven]

I haven't scrutinized the thread completely, but didn't see this posted...

As it's from yesterday it's probably old news already but:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar ... ary-a.html

With the Palin bump, comments like this from Biden have to seem like a hanging curve...

[RobVarak]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/p ... in070.html

Let me phrase this just right.

Are you f***in kidding?

She was the mayor. She fired the police chief, librarian and others. Shockingly, the police chief filed a wrongful termination suit, which was summarily dismissed. No trial. No settlement. Dismissed with prejudice. No case.

Despite the court finding that there was no wrongful termination, the little junior Woodward and Bernsteins at The Seattle Times write that article which proves nothing except that they can appparently figure out the complexities of pulling a file from a Federal Courthouse. They rely on the fired police chief's own notes and recollections regarding significant portions of what they claim Palin said or thought.

Much like the police chief, these reporters have no case. There isn't a reform executive at any level of government (or business for that matter)in either party that doesn't ride into town, shitcan deadwood and typically trigger a flurry of wrongful termination suits.

This article may fuel those who are looking to fill in the narrative they want to see with the fascist creationist hilllbilly riding roughshod over the law and civil liberties, but the facts just aren't there to back it up.

[GTHobbes]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/p ... in070.html

Much like the police chief, these reporters have no case. There isn't a reform executive at any level of government (or business for that matter)in either party that doesn't ride into town, shitcan deadwood and typically trigger a flurry of wrongful termination suits.

So, lemme see if I got this straight: A librarian who doesn't want to ban books is "deadwood"? And a governor who bills the state over $16,000 for "lodging" at home, and $43,000+ for shlepping her husband and kids around, is a "reform executive"?

If I live to be 100, I don't think I'll ever understand Republicans. They ought to have their right to vote taken away after keeping Bush/Cheney in office for 8 years, IMO.

[RobVarak]

If I live to be 100, I don't think I'll ever understand Republicans. They ought to have their right to vote taken away after keeping Bush/Cheney in office for 8 years, IMO.

Never mind.

[Brando70]

My Uncle William was called Billy or Bill until he went to college. His family, friends and strangers all now call him William (though my father slips up now and again). This is easily the silliest thing you've tried to use to cast aspersions on Obama. Do you think somebody once called McCain Johnny?

Newsweek did the article not me. I just read it and gave my opinion on it. If you think my opinion is silly so be it. I believe it says a lot about how he wanted to be percieved in the black community then and now. He was cool with Barry when he was in a mostly white crowd. But he knew what would sell in Chicago and it wasn't Barry. He wanted to be so accepted he went to Wright's church for 20 years. What's silly to me is that people believe that he sat in Wright's church for 20 years and says he never heard any racist rants. Keep it real Barr...Barack.

I don't know, Jack. There are plenty of white people who do this sort of thing, especially Eastern Europeans who have their names Anglicized. I remember Chris Novoselic, the bass player of Nirvana, changed his first name over to Krist because that's his given Croatian name. I believe he was inspired to do this by what was happening in Croatia in the 90s.

I do see your point, but I'd be more concerned if Obama was doing something like changing the "Hussein" part to "Happypants."

[RobVarak]

Double post.

[XXXIV]

If I live to be 100, I don't think I'll ever understand Republicans. They ought to have their right to vote taken away after keeping Bush/Cheney in office for 8 years, IMO.

Yavol mein fuhrer!!!!...but why not just put them all in camps?

[Teal]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/p ... in070.html

Much like the police chief, these reporters have no case. There isn't a reform executive at any level of government (or business for that matter)in either party that doesn't ride into town, shitcan deadwood and typically trigger a flurry of wrongful termination suits.

So, lemme see if I got this straight: A librarian who doesn't want to ban books is "deadwood"? And a governor who bills the state over $16,000 for "lodging" at home, and $43,000+ for shlepping her husband and kids around, is a "reform executive"?

If I live to be 100, I don't think I'll ever understand Republicans. They ought to have their right to vote taken away after keeping Bush/Cheney in office for 8 years, IMO.

Well, this proves idiocy-so people who don't agree with you in the slightest ought to have their right to vote taken away...hmmm...alright. All I have to say is please, please...some talk show please get Hobbes on national TV soon!

[RobVarak]

If I live to be 100, I don't think I'll ever understand Republicans. They ought to have their right to vote taken away after keeping Bush/Cheney in office for 8 years, IMO.

Yavol mein fuhrer!!!!...but why not just put them all in camps?

Indeed.

http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-A ... 0385511841

[Teal]

I do see your point, but I'd be more concerned if Obama was doing something like changing the "Hussein" part to "Happypants."

He may as well...he won't allow his middle name to be uttered, anyway...

[matthewk]

If I live to be 100, I don't think I'll ever understand Democrats. They ought to have their right to vote taken away after allowing Bush/Cheney in office for 8 years, IMO.

Fixed that right up for 'ya

[Jackdog]

I don't know, Jack. There are plenty of white people who do this sort of thing, especially Eastern Europeans who have their names Anglicized. I remember Chris Novoselic, the bass player of Nirvana, changed his first name over to Krist because that's his given Croatian name. I believe he was inspired to do this by what was happening in Croatia in the 90s.

I do see your point, but I'd be more concerned if Obama was doing something like changing the "Hussein" part to "Happypants."

Thanks man. I needed a laugh today. I understand what your saying and I am glad you get my point. It might not be that big of a deal to some,but it seems condescending to me. I would be offended if I knew you answered to Brando all of your life until you moved to my black neighborhood. Then you all of a sudden want to be called by your other name "Dequan" due to your surroundings. I mean why the hell would you take on a name of a father that left you. Like I said it seems condescending.

In all the bullshit that was thrown out about Obama I just found out about the "Barry" thing today. So this is all new to me. Talk at ya later Dequn.

[MACTEPsporta]

Here is what I don't get. Rupert Murdoch, who owns Fox news, publicly endorsed Obama months ago. Is all the negative press on Obama on that channel his idea of objectivity, or they just haven't adjusted to new company policy yet?

[Jackdog]

I haven't scrutinized the thread completely, but didn't see this posted...

As it's from yesterday it's probably old news already but:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar ... ary-a.html

With the Palin bump, comments like this from Biden have to seem like a hanging curve...

Wow. I can't believe he really said that. If elected God forbid something happen to Obama and Biden steps in. He sounds like he doesn't think he's up for the job.

[Jackdog]

Here is what I don't get. Rupert Murdoch, who owns Fox news, publicly endorsed Obama months ago. Is all the negative press on Obama on that channel his idea of objectivity, or they just haven't adjusted to new company policy yet?

Fair and Balanced.

[Jackdog]

If I live to be 100, I don't think I'll ever understand Democrats. They ought to have their right to vote taken away after allowing Bush/Cheney in office for 8 years, IMO.

Fixed that right up for 'ya

[Feanor]

If I live to be 100, I don't think I'll ever understand Republicans. They ought to have their right to vote taken away after keeping Bush/Cheney in office for 8 years, IMO.

Yavol mein fuhrer!!!!...but why not just put them all in camps?

They're called gated neighborhoods.