OT: 2008 Elections/Politics thread, Part 2

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:57 pm

SPTO wrote:
webdanzer wrote:Conservatives unwittingly blast Palin pick over live mic:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/ ... _over.html
Oops!

I agree with Murphy there though. McCain is not overly cynical and the Palin pick is one of the more cynical ones that could've been made.

Anyways here's some levity (at least for me)

McCain is the Golden Age Green Lantern!

It's also fitting because the GA Green Lantern was created in 1940 so McCain's actually older

And what in the hell is meant by the pick of Palin being cynical?! What the hell does that even mean? Sounds pretty f***in nonsensical to me...

SPTO · Post by **SPTO** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:58 pm

FatPitcher wrote:
I think the economic situation is not that bad. Not good, but not terrible. But then, what do I know? I just live here and don't have a political party's axe to grind. I'm really just here to poke holes in everyone's inflated sense of political self-righteousness and get them to think rationally, not to cheer for anyone's team.

I'd agree with you that the economy isn't nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be but the problem areas can lead to disaster. The whole credit crisis is the main concern. Just a couple weeks ago I heard an independent economist say that the worst isn't over and to expect a major US bank to go under within the next 6-12 months. I don't know if it's just panicky speculation or based on solid fact but it does seem to me that there are lots of underlying problems that aren't quite on the front burner now because the dollar has rebounded a bit.

One shouldn't take this rally as a sign of things suddenly being back on track just yet. Then again, i'm no economist.

FatPitcher · Post by **FatPitcher** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:59 pm

It's a cynical attempt to appeal to female voters by playing identity politics rather than picking someone with a more presidential resume.

I somewhat agree, although I should point out the Republicans don't exactly have a deep bench.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:01 pm

Teal wrote:
And what in the hell is meant by the pick of Palin being cynical?! What the hell does that even mean? Sounds pretty f***in nonsensical to me...

whewww...Glad I wasnt the only one that didnt get it.

I think in order to draw the conclusion that it is cynical... you must already have decided its a poor choice.

It is an opinion based on an opinion. ...weak at best.

SPTO · Post by **SPTO** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:03 pm

Teal wrote:
And what in the hell is meant by the pick of Palin being cynical?! What the hell does that even mean? Sounds pretty f***in nonsensical to me...

It's cynical in that McCain doesn't trust his judgment to pick someone he feels comfortable with so he has to gamble with someone like Palin who has a checkered history and one that goes against the grain of the GOP philosophy. (at least in her private life)

Hey, i'm not trying to throw Palin six feet under as this very morning I said i'm looking forward to her speech and I think if done right she can fix the perception problem that she is having right now.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:04 pm

Wouldn't Governor Palin be an ideal star for one of those Southwest "Want to get away?" commercials right now? She has to be having second thoughts about doing this. She could be back in Alaska, enjoying her 80% approval rating, hanging with her family, shooting her guns at copies of The Origin of Species, and cultivating a promising political career. Instead she's got a bipartisan group of pitchfork-wielding villagers crawling up her ass looking for any undigested kernel of corn they can find. All so she can be vice president to President Matlock for the next 4-8 years.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:07 pm

Somebody embed this video...I have no idea how. One of the funniest goofs I've ever heard...

http://www.tmz.com/2008/09/02/barack-ma ... -two-dads/

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:08 pm

SPTO wrote:
It's cynical in that McCain doesn't trust his judgment to pick someone he feels comfortable with so he has to gamble with someone like Palin who has a checkered history and one that goes against the grain of the GOP philosophy. (at least in her private life)

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Exactly what I meant...pure opinion/guess/conjecture.. you have no idea how he feels about her.

The only evidence as to how he feels about her is his picking her as vp. That doesnt feel at all like someone he isnt comfortable with.

FatPitcher · Post by **FatPitcher** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:08 pm

Brando70 wrote:All so she can be vice president to President Matlock for the next 4-8 years.

But McCain is like, 99% likely to die when someone breathes on him.

SPTO · Post by **SPTO** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:10 pm

Teal wrote:Somebody embed this video...I have no idea how. One of the funniest goofs I've ever heard...

http://www.tmz.com/2008/09/02/barack-ma ... -two-dads/

I can't seem to find an embed link but that's funny!

SPTO · Post by **SPTO** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:11 pm

XXXIV wrote:
SPTO wrote:
It's cynical in that McCain doesn't trust his judgment to pick someone he feels comfortable with so he has to gamble with someone like Palin who has a checkered history and one that goes against the grain of the GOP philosophy. (at least in her private life)

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Exactly what I meant...pure opinion/guess/conjecture.. you have no idea how he feels about her.

The only evidence as to how he feels about her is his picking her as vp. That doesnt feel at all like someone he isnt comfortable with.

Well then I concede that point.

(see i'm rational!)

Post by **Jared** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:17 pm

FatPitcher wrote:For a guy who has nothing to hide, Kerry sure did a lot of backtracking and a lot of never releasing his military records to the public to this day. His "Patriot Project" announced in 2006 to refute lies, blah blah, has produced exactly nothing.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... l_records/

WASHINGTON -- Senator John F. Kerry, ending at least two years of refusal, has waived privacy restrictions and authorized the release of his full military and medical records.

The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe, are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president, including numerous commendations from commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service.

As for the Patriot Project producing exactly nothing, they've produced documentary evidence for his trip to Cambodia, amongst other things.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/28/washi ... 5a&ei=5089

The Swift boat group insisted that no boats had gone to Cambodia. But Mr. Kerry's researcher, using Vietnam-era military maps and spot reports from the naval archives showing coordinates for his boat, traced his path from Ha Tien toward Cambodia on a mission that records say was to insert Navy Seals.

Mr. Kerry's supporters have also frozen frames from his amateur films of his time in Vietnam and have retrieved letters and military citations for other sailors to support his version of how he won the Silver Star — rebutting the Swift boat group's most explosive charge, that he shot an unarmed teenager who was fleeing his fire.

Another photograph provides evidence for Mr. Kerry's version of how he won the Bronze Star. And original reports pulled from the naval archives contradict the charge that he drafted his own accounts of various incidents — which left room, the Swift boat group had argued, to embellish them.

No more Swift Boat posting for me in this thread (as it's a bit of a threadjack).

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:18 pm

SPTO wrote:
(see i'm rational!)

Most Canadians are

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:20 pm

Jared wrote:
No more Swift Boat posting for me in this thread (as it's a bit of a threadjack).

Thank God! For a minute there I thought the forum had reverted back four years LOL

FatPitcher · Post by **FatPitcher** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:27 pm

Jared wrote:
FatPitcher wrote:For a guy who has nothing to hide, Kerry sure did a lot of backtracking and a lot of never releasing his military records to the public to this day. His "Patriot Project" announced in 2006 to refute lies, blah blah, has produced exactly nothing.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... l_records/

WASHINGTON -- Senator John F. Kerry, ending at least two years of refusal, has waived privacy restrictions and authorized the release of his full military and medical records.

The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe, are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president, including numerous commendations from commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service.
As for the Patriot Project producing exactly nothing, they've produced documentary evidence for his trip to Cambodia, amongst other things.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/28/washi ... 5a&ei=5089

The Swift boat group insisted that no boats had gone to Cambodia. But Mr. Kerry's researcher, using Vietnam-era military maps and spot reports from the naval archives showing coordinates for his boat, traced his path from Ha Tien toward Cambodia on a mission that records say was to insert Navy Seals.

Mr. Kerry's supporters have also frozen frames from his amateur films of his time in Vietnam and have retrieved letters and military citations for other sailors to support his version of how he won the Silver Star — rebutting the Swift boat group's most explosive charge, that he shot an unarmed teenager who was fleeing his fire.

Another photograph provides evidence for Mr. Kerry's version of how he won the Bronze Star. And original reports pulled from the naval archives contradict the charge that he drafted his own accounts of various incidents — which left room, the Swift boat group had argued, to embellish them.
No more Swift Boat posting for me in this thread (as it's a bit of a threadjack).

He released his records to 3 news organizations and forbade them to show them to anyone else. Can you find the other 2 besides the Globe? The public still has no access to them.

And a link-war response to the second article you posted: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... _scam.html.

And with that, I'm done with the swift boat stuff too. After all, I wasn't referencing the actual thing itself, just the term that Democrats love to throw around in response to any dirt, whether it's accurate (obama's lowlife associates) or crazy talk (obama the bastard-child muslim).

Post by **Jared** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:29 pm

RobVarak wrote:
Jared wrote:
No more Swift Boat posting for me in this thread (as it's a bit of a threadjack).
Thank God! For a minute there I thought the forum had reverted back four years LOL

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:32 pm

Barrack on O'Reilly Thursday Night. How much u wanna bet O'Reilly just kisses his ass? Awesome...

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/0 ... -thursday/

Jackdog · Post by **Jackdog** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:50 pm

greggsand wrote:Barrack on O'Reilly Thursday Night. How much u wanna bet O'Reilly just kisses his ass? Awesome...

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/0 ... -thursday/

After what he did to Clinton and McCain I'll take that bet. Cash or women???

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:01 pm

Oops, wrong thread! Carry on...

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:02 pm

SPTO wrote:The whole credit crisis is the main concern.

I beg to differ. It's the No. 2 concern right now, behind energy costs.

High gas, oil and natural gas prices affect EVERYONE, not just people who got in way over their heads with ARM's or were duped into getting them.

High fuel prices increase the cost of transportation of those goods to market, and those higher costs are passed on to all consumers. Or you'll see what's now very common in the packaged good industries, such as cereal -- charging the same price for a box that's an ounce or two smaller than it was last year.

Plus the energy crunch on people's wallets will become even more exacerbated once the Northern third of the country starts seeing heat bills this winter.

This is a personal example, but I have a fixed-rate mortgage and perfect credit that's paid off every month in full. So the credit crunch isn't hurting me now. But high fuel prices have been wounding me quite a bit this entire year.

I know I'm not alone.

Take care,
PK

FatPitcher · Post by **FatPitcher** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:32 pm

The speeches by the fluffers at the RNC tonight are kind of odd and extremely horrible.

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:16 pm

FatPitcher wrote:Economic performance has been decent when you consider the entire presidency. Great at times and subpar at times. Worse than under Clinton, sure, but that is despite tax policy, not because of it. External factors played a larger role in Bush's term.

I think the economic situation is not that bad. Not good, but not terrible. But then, what do I know? I just live here and don't have a political party's axe to grind. I'm really just here to poke holes in everyone's inflated sense of political self-righteousness and get them to think rationally, not to cheer for anyone's team.

Job growth under Bush has been the slowest in 60 years and the median income of working age Americans was lower in 2007 than it was in 2000. To me, that's not decent economic performance even given the external factors Bush has had to deal with.

http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/webfeatu ... e_20080826

I also live here and don't have a party axe to grind; the only political party I'll be voting for this year is the National party of New Zealand.

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:20 pm

RobVarak wrote:
Jared wrote:
No more Swift Boat posting for me in this thread (as it's a bit of a threadjack).
Thank God! For a minute there I thought the forum had reverted back four years LOL

I wasn't posting here back then, but I'm going to guess you weren't too fond of Kerry, either, despite him having all the experience Obama doesn't.

FatPitcher · Post by **FatPitcher** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:46 pm

Feanor wrote:
RobVarak wrote:
Jared wrote:
No more Swift Boat posting for me in this thread (as it's a bit of a threadjack).
Thank God! For a minute there I thought the forum had reverted back four years LOL
I wasn't posting here back then, but I'm going to guess you weren't too fond of Kerry, either, despite him having all the experience Obama doesn't.

I would take Kerry over Obama.

Man, you can almost smell the desperation at the convention. They are cheering all sorts of things that used to be Democrat territory - the historical woman thing, re-importation of drugs, fighting climate change, gov't subsidized health care, etc.

Naples39 · Post by **Naples39** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:51 pm

Even with that long, laundry list of problems mentioned in his convention speech that Obama will miraculously solve, apparently he still left out one; winning a premier league title!!!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/s ... index.html