Inuyasha wrote:
It does sort of feel like the Dan Quayle pick (btw I supported Bush Sr. in 88 ) only because it was a surprising pick.
Since I was only a kid and didn't understand the nuances of it all could you explain the circumstances behind the Quayle pick for me? Also who were the leading candidates back then?
As I remember it...Bush Sr wanted some one young , dynamic and up and comer...What he got was a dimwit.
It sure is important to take time to actually get to know your VP pick.
I think it's hilarious that people are going after Palin on her qualifications (or lack thereof) when she isn't running for president. I prefer a governor over a senator any day. And when experience is weighed against experience, she still comes out on top for two reasons.
1) She has actual governing experience. (What's her foreign policy experience? Good question. What's Baracks?)
2)She's the VP nominee. Barack has to stand up to the same scrutiny, but he's attempting to be president, not VP. It's comparing apples and oranges.
"Oh, but she's only a heartbeat away from the presidency!"
Fine by me...it's better than trying to BE the president.
Tell you what...this 'lack of experience' thing? Obama's camp had better tread VERY lightly there. In fact, if they have any sense they'll drop it altogether-because it WILL backfire and bite them on the ass.
That particular emporer has no clothes on this issue.
The National Inquirer bullshit doesn't help much, either, but both sides are doing that.
Teal wrote:
The National Inquirer bullshit doesn't help much, either, but both sides are doing that.
Hey now, that's National Enquirer! And show some respect; They've done more reporting on this campaign that the NY Times, WaPo and major broadcast networks combined. LMFAO
XBL Gamertag: RobVarak
"Ok I'm an elitist, but I have a healthy respect for people who don't measure up." --Aaron Sorkin
Joe Biden was just on C-Span and said that he thinks Palin is qualified for the job and that the media and critics need to leave the family issues out of it.
Somebody send a memo to Campbell Brown.
XBL Gamertag: RobVarak
"Ok I'm an elitist, but I have a healthy respect for people who don't measure up." --Aaron Sorkin
Hey, don't forget the New York Post! Thanks to the Post, we know that Levi Johnston, the father of Bristol Palin's baby, described himself as a "f*cking redneck" on his MySpace page, which since has been given private status.
Teal wrote:I think it's hilarious that people are going after Palin on her qualifications (or lack thereof) when she isn't running for president. I prefer a governor over a senator any day. And when experience is weighed against experience, she still comes out on top for two reasons.
1) She has actual governing experience. (What's her foreign policy experience? Good question. What's Baracks?)
2)She's the VP nominee. Barack has to stand up to the same scrutiny, but he's attempting to be president, not VP. It's comparing apples and oranges.
"Oh, but she's only a heartbeat away from the presidency!"
Fine by me...it's better than trying to BE the president.
Tell you what...this 'lack of experience' thing? Obama's camp had better tread VERY lightly there. In fact, if they have any sense they'll drop it altogether-because it WILL backfire and bite them on the ass.
That particular emporer has no clothes on this issue.
The National Inquirer bullshit doesn't help much, either, but both sides are doing that.
Depends on the state right.
Seriously, what does it take to be gov of Alaska. Alaska is more like a territory than a State. I'm sure mayors of most large to mid sized American cities have to govern more than the governor of Alaska does.
And how come everyone is ignoring what Obama said that children should be off limits. Didn't hear any of the right wingers give Obama credit on that.
RobVarak wrote:The book banning thing troubles me, but I'm going to withold judgment until we have something more reliable that Time magazine ("Yep, We're Still Around") printing a quote from a vanquished rival without any corroborating source. LOL
Says the man who cited a post on Little Green Fascists as a source
This election looks nothing like 2004. For one thing, Kerry got absolutely gobsmacked by the media with the Swift Boat and flip-flop issues. I knew Kerry had no chance of winning (I wasn't really keen on him myself) and was shocked it was so close. It said a lot about the weakness of the Bush presidency that a sitting president during a war could receive such a challenge from a candidate who was bashed so heavily. Obama's coverage was initially very positive, but since the Wright incident, it's been more critical. He's gotten more airtime but the Center for Media and Public Affairs, which studies positive/negative coverage of candidates, has found Obama received more negative coverage once the general election started.
The point of Palin's experience is that the GOP really can't criticize Obama's lack of experience. If they think Palin has enough experience to succeed McCain, they have to agree Obama has enough to be president. The amount of experience for both is pretty slight -- they are both talented AA pitchers who got called up early because their clubs are desperate.
Inuyasha wrote:And how come everyone is ignoring what Obama said that children should be off limits. Didn't hear any of the right wingers give Obama credit on that.
I think they are waiting til someone in the media actually pays attention to it....which should be just about never.
RobVarak wrote:The book banning thing troubles me, but I'm going to withold judgment until we have something more reliable that Time magazine ("Yep, We're Still Around") printing a quote from a vanquished rival without any corroborating source. LOL
Says the man who cited a post on Little Green Fascists as a source
This election looks nothing like 2004. For one thing, Kerry got absolutely gobsmacked by the media with the Swift Boat and flip-flop issues. I knew Kerry had no chance of winning (I wasn't really keen on him myself) and was shocked it was so close. It said a lot about the weakness of the Bush presidency that a sitting president during a war could receive such a challenge from a candidate who was bashed so heavily. Obama's coverage was initially very positive, but since the Wright incident, it's been more critical. He's gotten more airtime but the Center for Media and Public Affairs, which studies positive/negative coverage of candidates, has found Obama received more negative coverage once the general election started.
The point of Palin's experience is that the GOP really can't criticize Obama's lack of experience. If they think Palin has enough experience to succeed McCain, they have to agree Obama has enough to be president. The amount of experience for both is pretty slight -- they are both talented AA pitchers who got called up early because their clubs are desperate.
Yes good point. The whole experience angle they can't use anymore due to their VP pick. Maybe that's why they changed and are running on the reformer platform now.
I think if McCain had picked LIberman, it would have been much better for him. It would have attracted a lot of democrats, especially Hillary democrats to his side. And a lot of independents would have seen it as a bipartisan campaign. Too bad the people controlling the GOP did not want that.
pk500 wrote:
For a guy who leans left, you're sure sounding like a member of the Ralph Reed gang!
Take care,
PK
The Palin pick has exposed a tremendous amount of hypocrisy from both sides, even moreso than usual for political discourse. Holy Rollers praising the mom of a pregnant, unwed teen, Liberal women columnists writing essays about how a mom should be home with the kids, etc...
So it doesn't surprise me that a fan of Barack Hussein Obama, is making an issue over names...
Who's making an issue of it? All I did was list the names. I thought they were unusual names, that's all. Does it matter? Of course not. I hardly think I was "making an issue of it". But for the record, I think I would rather have the name Barack, then Twig or Track or whatever
Brando70 wrote:
This election looks nothing like 2004. For one thing, Kerry got absolutely gobsmacked by the media with the Swift Boat and flip-flop issues...It said a lot about the weakness of the Bush presidency that a sitting president during a war could receive such a challenge from a candidate who was bashed so heavily.
I disagree, and more persuasively I hope, so do your friends at CMPA.
RobVarak wrote:
Wow, I haven't seen the left throw this much s*** up to see what sticks in a dog's age. This pick has them a lot more scared than I figured it would.
Jared, she's been a registered Republican since 1982 and never donated any money to the AIP. That video is about the most generic address that's ever been delivered. Seriously? This is what we're going to do today?
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Incidentally, this pick is looking better to me (and I liked her from the get-go) after seeing the Obamite and media reaction. It's got the Obamanistas comparing their candidate to our VP and the media barring its teeth like they did in the run-up to the 2004 election. Nothing bodes better for the GOP than when the MSM starts to really go to work to help the Democrats. Dan Rather, your table is ready.
Why is it a scared thing? The chairperson of the AIP is saying that she and her husband were members and attended their 1994 convention, and there are videos of the AIP vice chair saying (before the VP pick) that Palin was a member of the AIP. It'll be interesting to see Palin's story, and if any more evidence comes up. The other major stories (the state investigation, the Bridge to Nowhere flip-flop, the minimal vetting of Palin) are real and corroborated. If you have evidence that these things aren't true, then provide them. Otherwise, it just shows that there are a lot of issues with the pick of Palin (and possibly w/McCain's judgment in choosing her as running mate).
pk500 wrote:
Again, so f*cking what? My wife and I didn't plan on having our third child. We always said we wanted two and would welcome more if it happened, based on our beliefs. He happened, and he's a wonderful lad. I was three months shy of 40 and my wife had just turned 39 when he was born.
No offense, dude, but you sure seem to have a lot of answers about parenthood and having kids considering you have no children. Not everyone has the same values as you when it comes to contraception and family planning, and frankly, I don't know what relevance any of this plays in Palin's fitness to be vice president of the United States.
John McCain is divorced. Does that disqualify him to be president, too? Does he need an education on the values of the sanctity of marriage?
For a guy who leans left, you're sure sounding like a member of the Ralph Reed gang!
Take care,
PK
PK. The difference is you and your wife aren't running for VP of our country and aren't full time politicians with more regards to political ambitions than for your own family. She should be scrutinized just like every other candidate is. Plus, you aren't a hard right winger who preaches anti-abortion reform, but doesn't seem to be in touch with her own daughter's sexual practices. Does all this stuff determine if Palin will be a good VP? Probably not. But it's as relevant to the job as is Obama's preacher.
As as far as saying "It's just Vice President" (Teal), lets not forget our current Vice President is the one who's been running things the past 8 years and also is the one who got us into Iraq. Just A Vice President?
pk500 wrote:
Again, so f*cking what? My wife and I didn't plan on having our third child. We always said we wanted two and would welcome more if it happened, based on our beliefs. He happened, and he's a wonderful lad. I was three months shy of 40 and my wife had just turned 39 when he was born.
No offense, dude, but you sure seem to have a lot of answers about parenthood and having kids considering you have no children. Not everyone has the same values as you when it comes to contraception and family planning, and frankly, I don't know what relevance any of this plays in Palin's fitness to be vice president of the United States.
John McCain is divorced. Does that disqualify him to be president, too? Does he need an education on the values of the sanctity of marriage?
For a guy who leans left, you're sure sounding like a member of the Ralph Reed gang!
Take care,
PK
PK. The difference is you and your wife aren't running for VP of our country and aren't full time politicians with more regards to political ambitions than for your own family. She should be scrutinized just like every other candidate is. Plus, you aren't a hard right winger who preaches anti-abortion reform, but doesn't seem to be in touch with her own daughter's sexual practices. Does all this stuff determine if Palin will be a good VP? Probably not. But it's as relevant to the job as is Obama's preacher.
As as far as saying "It's just Vice President" (Teal), lets not forget our current Vice President is the one who's been running things the past 8 years and also is the one who got us into Iraq. Just A Vice President?
You're right, but I don't think the next VP , either party, will have the same influence as Cheney has had on Bush.
JackB1 wrote:
As as far as saying "It's just Vice President" (Teal), lets not forget our current Vice President is the one who's been running things the past 8 years and also is the one who got us into Iraq.
Not true. The House and Senate voted overwhelmingly to grant Bush the power to attack Iraq.
RobVarak wrote:Joe Biden was just on C-Span and said that he thinks Palin is qualified for the job and that the media and critics need to leave the family issues out of it.
Somebody send a memo to Campbell Brown.
That was smart on Biden's part. I mean why pour more gasoline when the media is doing all the dirty work for you?
JackB1 wrote:
As as far as saying "It's just Vice President" (Teal), lets not forget our current Vice President is the one who's been running things the past 8 years and also is the one who got us into Iraq.
Not true. The House and Senate voted overwhelmingly to grant Bush the power to attack Iraq.
Would you agree that they were hoodwinked though? I mean it seems like a majority of the evidence the Bush Admin used was exaggerated and at worst wholly fabricated.
Incidentally, this pick is looking better to me (and I liked her from the get-go) after seeing the Obamite and media reaction. It's got the Obamanistas comparing their candidate to our VP and the media barring its teeth like they did in the run-up to the 2004 election. Nothing bodes better for the GOP than when the MSM starts to really go to work to help the Democrats. Dan Rather, your table is ready.
They polled Rep's yesterday at the convention and over 50% of them said they thought Palin was a poor pick. I really don't think the Dem's are too worried about her. I don't think McCain could have made a better pick to help out the Dem's side. Especially after they criticized Obama's lack of experience so strongly. I guess McCain doesn't think his VP needs the same experience? Everyone knows he picked her to grab the disenfranchised Hillary supporters.
JackB1 wrote:
As as far as saying "It's just Vice President" (Teal), lets not forget our current Vice President is the one who's been running things the past 8 years and also is the one who got us into Iraq.
Not true. The House and Senate voted overwhelmingly to grant Bush the power to attack Iraq.
Would you agree that they were hoodwinked though? I mean it seems like a majority of the evidence the Bush Admin used was exaggerated and at worst wholly fabricated.
No. But my opinion means nothing. I wasn't elected by my constitutes to check facts and make damn sure everything was in order before sending troops in to kill and be killed.
JackDog wrote:
No. But my opinion means nothing. I wasn't elected by my constitutes to check facts and make damn sure everything was in order before sending troops in to kill and be killed.
Fair enough and no matter how you slice and dice it it's still tragic what went down. You're living proof of the horrors of war and what it can do.
That's why I respect anyone friend or foe alike who has ever been in the battle zone.
Teal wrote:
The National Inquirer bullshit doesn't help much, either, but both sides are doing that.
Hey now, that's National Enquirer! And show some respect; They've done more reporting on this campaign that the NY Times, WaPo and major broadcast networks combined. LMFAO
But for the record, I think I would rather have the name Barack, then Twig or Track or whatever 
