Madden 09 gameplay video

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Tue May 27, 2008 8:28 pm

I go away for two weeks and i come back to bizzaro world. There is a Sex in the city thread on the main page of DSP and EA sports devs are communicating with and fixing issues brought up over at OS.

Since certain people here were so quick to point out how great this was from the Show guys, I find it odd that no one is mentioning what is going on over there. Well I am being sarcastic I would have found it odd if those people had actually posted about it.

There are quite a few threads where Ian Cummings is partaking, I did like this dudes attitude from last year and he just cemented it for me. Anyway here is the latest one from today which is a continuation of a thread started by LB over there about tackling.

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/m ... mings.html

There is also another one where they have fixed numerous uniform errors based on the community and a few other things as well.

I know this is going to once again put the EA lover patch on me, but I believe in fair time. So if were gonna bash EA, we may as well give them some credit when they do something right.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Tue May 27, 2008 9:14 pm

Danimal wrote:So if were gonna bash EA, we may as well give them some credit when they do something right.

I don't think you are an EA lover and I want the football games to be great as much as the next guy, but I'm just going to be skeptical until I actually play the games. It's probably not too long before the game goes gold is it? Too much messing with anything material to the game engine at this point would probably just screw it up further. I mean, they knew about the turnover issue and promised a patch *before* Madden was released last year and the patch that was released several months later did nothing to truly eliminate the turnovers. I'll be ecstatic if Madden is great and I generally liked it last year except the turnovers so I'm not hard to please in that regard.

It took several years of annual improvements and forum presence from the MLB series developers to gain respect.

EA gets quite a few props when they do things right. NHL 08 is probably among the most respected games ever at DSP and everyone seems to love the FIFA multiplayer stuff and even favor it over the previously beloved Winning Eleven series.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Wed May 28, 2008 11:14 am

I am in the same boat as Leebo. I have never been against EA and have certainly bought plenty of their products. I've purchased every Madden since Madden 99. But the 360 versions have left me cold for a lot of reasons. After playing some incredible next gen games (sports and non-sports), it's hard to get excited about a game that looks stuck between last generation and this one.

I would love to be wrong on this. But unless EA has only been making incremental changes for the past three releases in order to make 2009 truly exceptional, I don't know how they will fix a lot of this issues in less than a year.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Wed May 28, 2008 11:32 am

I was simply stating that the EA guy is interacting with the community on the OS forums and he deserves props for that, especially if you read the thread IMO.

I am not saying in anyway that the game is a must buy because of it. Truth be told I was kind of luke warm and I'm more interested in HC. But the latest videos show a lot more promise to me. It's no where near where it should be but if it's fun that will be enough for me.

My sim expectations are going to be much harsher towards the HC project, because I've never been a believe that a game can be a true sim if you're controlling one of the players.

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Wed May 28, 2008 12:04 pm

As a longtime Tiburon hater, I'm actually a little hopeful based on what I've seen of this year's Madden. It looks like they still haven't addressed some of my longtime beefs (1 playable camera angle, shoddy OL/DL interaction, etc.), but it does look like they have finally made some progress in other areas I care about. And thanks to this Ian guy, they now finally have a presence on the boards (something they should've done years ago, IMO). I just read that Ian guy admit to being impressed with what he's seen of Backbreaker, that Madden still hasn't reached 2k in areas where 2k had them beat 3-4 years ago, and that he also is extremely dissatisfied with certain areas of Madden. How can I argue with any of that?

In any event, I may buy Madden new this year, and it's been a very long time since I've felt good about saying that. There's nothing I'd like more than to have a quality NFL game to enjoy come August.

Jimmydeicide · Post by **Jimmydeicide** » Wed May 28, 2008 1:13 pm

Im all for the devs interaction on the boards and stuff but when the guy agrees on every little problem people are bringing up and acts like hes fully aware of everything anyone is talking about no matter how badly it may be described and hates it all too well just seems wonky.

Youd think he may try to defend his product somewhere.
It does seem positive and the devs have been doing it for NHL now for 2 seasons, now it just seems like another marketing strategy/angle to me. A bloody good one i may add.

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Wed May 28, 2008 1:21 pm

Good point Jimmy. It does seem like EA is listening a little more to it's customers. FIFA and NHL have made huge strides and lets hope Madden and NCAA can do the same.

I personally like to hear a dev say yeah there are certain things we need to fix and things we don't like. I'm still waiting for the demo to drop before making a decision.

seanmac31 · Post by **seanmac31** » Wed May 28, 2008 1:30 pm

I've had several exchanges with Ian and I've been very impressed with him. He's very bright, knows what he's talking about and is willing to be honest about the state of the game. I'm disappointed to hear that the OL/DL interaction, the WR/CB interaction and the quarterback animations aren't going to be addressed this year, but if EA comes through in the areas which he's saying are improved- tackling, player control, run animations, passing physics- that will be enough to get me to pick up a copy of 09 and to feel good about the direction the series is going in. If nothing else, it's nice to know that there are people like him working on the gameplay end.

On a different note, I just picked up Madden 08 for the PSP, and the passing game is just butter. It's stunning how much better it is than the passing game in the next gen versions- you can put as much or as little touch or lead on a pass as you need, there are simply incompletions that happen all the time based on leading a receiver too far, the interceptions are all believable, etc, etc. My only complaint is being unable to see receivers outside the hashes, but that's a function of the PSP's limitations. Really, EA, just pull the code out and plug it in to the 360 version and we'll all be happy.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu May 29, 2008 1:37 am

They've had a web community liaison before as well as their community leaders.

It sounds like they're making a bigger PR push in the forums this year.

You'd think this guy would be too busy right now to blog or post to various web forums right now.

Lets see if his interaction continues months after release or this is just a buildup to the release.

He can acknowledge all the issues now. But will he do anything about them at least for next year?

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Thu May 29, 2008 9:47 am

Hopefully this Ian guy makes a difference over the long run, since it looks like they still haven't gotten the tackling to the 2k5 level yet. Here's the latest video he posted over at OS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ41mC15rvg

Wilk5280 · Post by **Wilk5280** » Thu May 29, 2008 8:53 pm

I think everyone gives 2K5 just a little too much credit.

Great game sure, but it was not perfect like everyone seems to remember it being.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Thu May 29, 2008 8:58 pm

PRBoom wrote:I think everyone gives 2K5 just a little too much credit.

Great game sure, but it was not perfect like everyone seems to remember it being.

I was a big fan but in no way was it perfect.

Sacks felt scripted.
Like someone pointed out to me in game...the players felt weightless.
There were money plays.
Etc etc etc....

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Thu May 29, 2008 9:12 pm

PRBoom wrote:I think everyone gives 2K5 just a little too much credit.

Great game sure, but it was not perfect like everyone seems to remember it being.

True, but I don't have to remember from too long ago. It was my game of choice last football season after I really couldn't get into the fake teams and roster limitations of APF and the all my defensive players turned into Jason Taylor, Derrick Brooks, and Rod Woodson rolled into one in the EA football games. It still blows away Madden in many areas (presentation and features is still absolutely no contest).

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Thu May 29, 2008 9:48 pm

PRBoom wrote:I think everyone gives 2K5 just a little too much credit.

Great game sure, but it was not perfect like everyone seems to remember it being.

It's hard not to give it credit when on the Xbox is did more football things right than Madden does on the next-gen machines.

At the time, I wasn't a fan of the series. Now it's hard to overlook just how revolutionary the title was.

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Thu May 29, 2008 10:13 pm

JRod wrote:
PRBoom wrote:I think everyone gives 2K5 just a little too much credit.

Great game sure, but it was not perfect like everyone seems to remember it being.
It's hard not to give it credit when on the Xbox is did more football things right than Madden does on the next-gen machines.

At the time, I wasn't a fan of the series. Now it's hard to overlook just how revolutionary the title was.

I still play it to this day and i'm amazed to see all the things IT DID RIGHT. I'm not a 2K nut and will admit the game had some broken pieces but gameplay and presentation wise it was tight. Much better than what EA has been able to pull off.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Thu May 29, 2008 10:15 pm

can't play 2k anymore, it's just gotten old like madden. tried to play 2k5 on my 360, looked horrendous.

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Thu May 29, 2008 10:25 pm

Inuyasha wrote:can't play 2k anymore, it's just gotten old like madden. tried to play 2k5 on my 360, looked horrendous.

I still play it on my Xbox and I can't complain. Still looks good to me.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Thu May 29, 2008 10:26 pm

Rodster wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:can't play 2k anymore, it's just gotten old like madden. tried to play 2k5 on my 360, looked horrendous.
I still play it on my Xbox and I can't complain. Still looks good to me.

ya probably better to play it on the original system it was designed for than 360.

Wilk5280 · Post by **Wilk5280** » Fri May 30, 2008 12:07 am

Leebo33 wrote:
PRBoom wrote:I think everyone gives 2K5 just a little too much credit.

Great game sure, but it was not perfect like everyone seems to remember it being.
True, but I don't have to remember from too long ago. It was my game of choice last football season after I really couldn't get into the fake teams and roster limitations of APF and the all my defensive players turned into Jason Taylor, Derrick Brooks, and Rod Woodson rolled into one in the EA football games. It still blows away Madden in many areas (presentation and features is still absolutely no contest).

I'm in the middle of a season with up-to-date post draft rosters and the 2009 schedule on my 360. It's fun and it does do a lot of things right. However it's also guilty of doing things that people b*tch about in Madden as well.

I keep hearing a lot of people complain about suction blocking in Madden. Well, it's quite prevalent in 2K5 as too. I'll be coming off the edge with a DE and have strait shot at the qb when all of a sudden I do a 180 and am engaged in a block. **what**???

It does say a lot that we're even comparing current Madden to a game made in 2004, I give it all the credit in the world for that.

But I guess I just have so many more issues than most people with this game:
- DB ai logic probably could not be worse
- Spy is completely broken
- some individual plays are completely broken and can't be used. At least with the Broncos playbook anyway. There's two stretch plays where the strong side of the line pulls in the opposite direction and run against the way the play is designed.

With all that being said, the presentation is tops and the game is fun.

Oh, also. I really can't stand Madden on the latest generation of consoles. I've been playing Madden 08 (PC / PS2) and NCAA 2004 PS2.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Fri May 30, 2008 12:53 am

PRBoom wrote:Oh, also. I really can't stand Madden on the latest generation of consoles. I've been playing Madden 08 (PC / PS2) and NCAA 2004 PS2.

There's an endorsement for Madden!

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:47 am

Accelerated clock a possibility in Madden '09

http://www.pastapadre.com/2677/first-pa ... 9#comments

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:56 am

Actually I wonder if in-game XMB for the PS3 will require games to patch in order to support it once 2.40 firmware is out.

Would EA bother if it required a patch?

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:09 pm

sportdan30 wrote:Accelerated clock a possibility in Madden '09

http://www.pastapadre.com/2677/first-pa ... 9#comments

I've been following this and they have said that they are looking to see if it could be done and if it can this will be a feature they add via patch.

IMO a big mistake to announce this without knowing for sure if it could be done, if something happens all that good will they are building over at OS is gone because those people hear "possible" and they think "guaranteed"

TheHiddenTrack · Post by **TheHiddenTrack** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:53 pm

Wow, we are talking about 2k5 vs Madden 09 again. Give the 2k guys a new platform and four years and we would likely be playing an unbelievable game by now. It's a joke and they should be ashamed if anyone within EA actually cares about football. I would light my money on fire before giving it to them.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:04 pm

Madden in-game videos. Finally, some love for the Rams.

http://www.pastapadre.com/2685/madden-0 ... #more-2685