NBA Talk

LAking · Post by **LAking** » Thu May 15, 2008 12:22 pm

wco81 wrote:Look for the Lakers to get 40-45 FT attempts in Game 5.

Jazz will be lucky to get half that many.

It's home court advantage, not some conspiracy theory. The refs shouldn't do it but they always have. It's also the fact that the Jazz are physical and had the most fouls called against them in the regular season, this isn't something new. Just watch the stuff they will get away with in game 6. They've got shoving a guy when going up for a rebound down to a science.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu May 15, 2008 12:51 pm

True and they got away with it against the Warriors last year.

This year, not so much.

Lakers have benefitted from these judgement calls, not just this year but in the past.

And they will get the calls when if they play either SA or NO, Detroit/Boston/Cleveland.

Speaking of pushing off, Gasol did it twice for 2 key offensive rebounds with a minute or 2 left in the game.

You know, the Shaq special that he got away with when he was a Laker but doesn't get away with any more.

macsomjrr · Post by **macsomjrr** » Thu May 15, 2008 1:47 pm

wco81 wrote: You know, the Shaq special that he got away with when he was a Laker but doesn't get away with any more.

The veterans always have more calls that go their way, just like any other sport that I can think of. Shaq has been showing signs of retirement for awhile now, he is getting more and more lazy on the court and this probably reflects itself in an increase in the number of calls against him. Kobe, Duncan, KG, and James always always always get preferential treatment from the refs, personally I think they've earned it.

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Thu May 15, 2008 3:23 pm

macsomjrr wrote:
wco81 wrote: You know, the Shaq special that he got away with when he was a Laker but doesn't get away with any more.
The veterans always have more calls that go their way, just like any other sport that I can think of. Shaq has been showing signs of retirement for awhile now, he is getting more and more lazy on the court and this probably reflects itself in an increase in the number of calls against him. Kobe, Duncan, KG, and James always always always get preferential treatment from the refs, personally I think they've earned it.

I think it stinks. Makes the game very frustrating to watch at times. Powe (or whomever) gets great position, takes a charge but it is called a block because it is Kobe? Unfortunately, it will never change.

A foul is a foul no matter who commits it, except in the NBA.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Thu May 15, 2008 3:32 pm

Pete wrote:
macsomjrr wrote:
wco81 wrote: You know, the Shaq special that he got away with when he was a Laker but doesn't get away with any more.
The veterans always have more calls that go their way, just like any other sport that I can think of. Shaq has been showing signs of retirement for awhile now, he is getting more and more lazy on the court and this probably reflects itself in an increase in the number of calls against him. Kobe, Duncan, KG, and James always always always get preferential treatment from the refs, personally I think they've earned it.
I think it stinks. Makes the game very frustrating to watch at times. Powe (or whomever) gets great position, takes a charge but it is called a block because it is Kobe? Unfortunately, it will never change.

A foul is a foul no matter who commits it, except in the NBA.

It can get very frustrating at times. However, I do think that refs in the NBA have the toughest officiating job in all sports. They can easily have such a HUGE impact on the outcome of the game. Sometimes the difference between a foul and a charge is just perception. All I want out of refs is consistency. If you are going to call "touch fouls", do it for both sides. While I don't agree with the "star treatment" that some players get, I understand it. I think a foul should be a foul, regardless of who the player committing it is.

I do hate it when a defender takes a charge and then exaggerates it 10 times over. They should have a call like in soccer for "fake diving" for these jokers. If the refs let them play a little more physical defense, there wouldn't be the need for all this charge-taking and flopping.

LAking · Post by **LAking** » Thu May 15, 2008 3:57 pm

wco81 wrote:True and they got away with it against the Warriors last year.

This year, not so much.

Lakers have benefitted from these judgement calls, not just this year but in the past.

And they will get the calls when if they play either SA or NO, Detroit/Boston/Cleveland.

Speaking of pushing off, Gasol did it twice for 2 key offensive rebounds with a minute or 2 left in the game.

You know, the Shaq special that he got away with when he was a Laker but doesn't get away with any more.

Yes, i saw those pushes Gasol got away with, but that's my point, the Jazz were doing that all throughout games 3 and 4. For whatever reason the refs seem to give a slight advantage to the home team. Whether that's intentional or subconscious i don't know, but I do think it's happening.

NBA refs do have the hardest job. Basketball and Hockey are similar int hat they are fast sports and a lot of the fouls and penalties are a little subjective, but basketball is harder because less contact is allowed and therefore you always have to be making decisions on when to blow the whistle.

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Thu May 15, 2008 5:07 pm

Real simple. Just like the players, refs want to be "cheered". Calling fouls on the away team = cheers. Fouls on home team = boos. Subconscious or not, it plays a factor.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu May 15, 2008 5:23 pm

Yeah but the calls the Lakers get and have gotten in the past go way beyond home team favoritism, although home teams are 19-1 in the second round so far.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Fri May 16, 2008 2:31 am

Just saw replays of the hornets/spurs and Cheap Shot Rob at it again? Last year it was nash, now it's west?

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Fri May 16, 2008 9:43 am

Inuyasha wrote:Just saw replays of the hornets/spurs and Cheap Shot Rob at it again? Last year it was nash, now it's west?

This time was not nearly as flagrant as the one last year on Nash.
I think it was more due to West's bad back than Horry wanting to
take someone out, but you never know.

Just when we think the mighty Spurs are vulnerable and might be out, they have a great game and show just how good they really are. The home team advantage continues to be a major force! Shows just how important getting a high seed really is.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Mon May 19, 2008 12:29 pm

That was a great game 7 showdown.

Pierce and Lebron.

Celtics just got by the Cavs, the Pistons should be even tougher, but like Pierce said, at least they don't have to face another physical specimen like Lebron. What a beast.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Mon May 19, 2008 12:33 pm

jLp vAkEr0 wrote:That was a great game 7 showdown.

Pierce and Lebron.

Celtics just got by the Cavs, the Pistons should be even tougher, but like Pierce said, at least they don't have to face another physical specimen like Lebron. What a beast.

Agree. Cavs almost had the same dilemma as they did last year when the team was too "Lebron-heavy". IMO, they still need another player or two to get to the elite level. Either a strong post presence or another shooter or PG. Lebron already likes handling the ball a lot, so they would probably benefit most from a big man who can score in the post.

It was a great series and the home court advantage continues to be huge.
Boston is on their way, but it certainly hasn't been easy so far.

lexbur · Post by **lexbur** » Mon May 19, 2008 3:43 pm

Yeah, the Cavs need to get LeBron some help, and soon. There's only two years left on his contract.

It was a great series though. I'm surprised the Cavs kept it as close as they did.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Tue May 20, 2008 4:47 pm

God, not the Spurs again!!! I am so tired of Duncan, Ginobli and Parker!
By the way, where is his "Desperate Housewife" this year? During last year's playoffs, they were constantly showing her in the crowd??? It looked like he was looking for her at the end of the game, but she wasn't around.

lexbur · Post by **lexbur** » Tue May 20, 2008 4:53 pm

JackB1 wrote: By the way, where is his "Desperate Housewife" this year?

Playing third base for the Rays.

(sorry)

lexbur · Post by **lexbur** » Wed May 21, 2008 9:30 am

Where's all the "See, I told you the NBA is fixed" posts with the Bulls winning the lottery with only a 1.7% chance?

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Wed May 21, 2008 10:26 am

lexbur wrote:Where's all the "See, I told you the NBA is fixed" posts with the Bulls winning the lottery with only a 1.7% chance?

If it were, the Knicks would have gotten it. Stern wants the Knicks to be competitive more than the Bulls to be sure.

lexbur · Post by **lexbur** » Wed May 21, 2008 11:14 am

dbdynsty25 wrote:If it were, the Knicks would have gotten it. Stern wants the Knicks to be competitive more than the Bulls to be sure.

True enough, getting D'Antoni AND the first pick would be a nice story and definitely speed things along in getting New York back on the map, but still, folks in Miami (25% chance), Seattle (19%), Minnesota (13%) and Memphis (13%) have to be raising a few eyebrows today.

TheGamer · Post by **TheGamer** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:28 pm

I'm hoping the Bulls go after the hometown kid Derrick Rose and give up on the Kirk Hinrich experiment at point.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Wed May 21, 2008 2:23 pm

There's a claim that since the lottery was instituted, the worst team has won it maybe twice? If that's true, they've defied the odds.

Chicago is a big-market team, which has had a lot of high picks over the years (they even wanted Oden last year) and they've underachieved. Didn't they get to the second round or so and gave Detroit or some other team a run for their money in the past couple of years?

They are probably closer to making a run where one or two players would make the difference. Knicks need more than just one player, unless that player was another Ewing/Duncan type.

You want to talk about conspiracies, there are rumors Nike has offered Lebron tens of millions to sign with one of the top 3 market clubs. Now what is their incentive? Lebron has to be one of the biggest sellers of gear already. Will he sell that many more sneakers in NY or LA?

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Wed May 28, 2008 12:07 am

NBA is such a joke. Fouls in 1 qtr aren't fouls in the 4th qtr? Nothing's changed. I'm not even a spurs fan.

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Wed May 28, 2008 8:06 am

Inuyasha wrote:NBA is such a joke. Fouls in 1 qtr aren't fouls in the 4th qtr? Nothing's changed. I'm not even a spurs fan.

It can be a very frustrating game to watch. To a point where it isn't even fun.

I have been a huge Celtics fan since I can remember but am just not excited about the sport anymore. I find myself not caring much whether the C's win or not. I just don't enjoy NBA basketball anymore.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Thu May 29, 2008 11:27 am

Did you guys see the last play in the Spurs/Lakers game Tues nite?
How the heck was that not a foul? Barry faked, got the guy in the air and
he landed on his shoulder and it's not a foul? That's a foul 10 out of 10 times.
If that was Kobe with the ball instead, you can be sure a foul is called there.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu May 29, 2008 11:42 am

JackB1 wrote:Did you guys see the last play in the Spurs/Lakers game Tues nite?
How the heck was that not a foul? Barry faked, got the guy in the air and
he landed on his shoulder and it's not a foul? That's a foul 10 out of 10 times.
If that was Kobe with the ball instead, you can be sure a foul is called there.

They ain't calling that no matter who it is. Barry needed to at least fall down, then they would have had to call it, yet he didn't even flinch when he got hit. Plus it was probably a makeup non-call since the Spurs shouldn't even have had the ball in the first place. Fisher's shot prior grazed the rim and went off Big Cheap Shot Bob's leg out of bounds, yet somehow they called it a 24 second violation.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Sat May 31, 2008 10:42 am

Game - Set - Match!

Celtics are in the finals. Damn, how long I've waited!