NHL 08 Playoffs

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sun May 11, 2008 9:43 pm

Naples39 wrote:There is just no way the Crosby goal could've been overturned. Seeing the replays I think the puck was probably in, but 'thinking' and 'probably' are irrelevant.

My point is that if the correct call had been made on the ice then we would have the correct result now...Goal.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Sun May 11, 2008 10:13 pm

XXXIV wrote:
Naples39 wrote:There is just no way the Crosby goal could've been overturned. Seeing the replays I think the puck was probably in, but 'thinking' and 'probably' are irrelevant.
My point is that if the correct call had been made on the ice then we would have the correct result now...Goal.

I know what you are saying, but the ref made the correct call on the ice (IMO). He couldn't see the puck over the line. Hell, we could barely tell with 3-4 different goal cam angles.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sun May 11, 2008 10:16 pm

Diablo25 wrote:
XXXIV wrote:
Naples39 wrote:There is just no way the Crosby goal could've been overturned. Seeing the replays I think the puck was probably in, but 'thinking' and 'probably' are irrelevant.
My point is that if the correct call had been made on the ice then we would have the correct result now...Goal.
I know what you are saying, but the ref made the correct call on the ice (IMO). He couldn't see the puck over the line. Hell, we could barely tell with 3-4 different goal cam angles.

Fair enough...We will just disagree.

Now if you wanna complain about a call...that interference call on Briere was total bs...He got shoved into him. I didnt get that call at all.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Sun May 11, 2008 10:19 pm

XXXIV wrote:
Diablo25 wrote:
XXXIV wrote: My point is that if the correct call had been made on the ice then we would have the correct result now...Goal.
I know what you are saying, but the ref made the correct call on the ice (IMO). He couldn't see the puck over the line. Hell, we could barely tell with 3-4 different goal cam angles.
Fair enough...We will just disagree.

Now if you wanna complain about a call...that interference call on Briere was total bs...He got shoved into him. I didnt get that call at all.

Yeah, that was another tough call. It is becoming obvious that the Flyers are just out manned. No Timonen and now no Coburn. The defense is just decimated.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sun May 11, 2008 10:25 pm

Diablo25 wrote: It is becoming obvious that the Flyers are just out manned. No Timonen and now no Coburn. The defense is just decimated.

They hung pretty tough considering...This has been an entertaining game.

I dont think the series is over yet...but this is going to be tough.

EDIT: they were right there. Just one bad failure to clear.

Jimmydeicide · Post by **Jimmydeicide** » Sun May 11, 2008 10:31 pm

XXXIV wrote:
Diablo25 wrote: It is becoming obvious that the Flyers are just out manned. No Timonen and now no Coburn. The defense is just decimated.
They hung pretty tough considering...This has been an entertaining game.

I dont think the series is over yet...but this is going to be tough.

EDIT: they were right there. Just one bad failure to clear.

Didnt help that Downie still had a chance to stop the play after his turnover but went for a hit instead, the pass goes right by him to Talbot in the slot.

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Mon May 12, 2008 7:42 am

Funny that the injury that really cost the Flyers last night was Gagne's concussion. If he was fit, then limp wristed Downie would be a healthy scratch.

The Hatcher "hooking" penalty was weird, but the way the refs missed the dirty hit on Danny Briere by Sean Ave... I mean Evgeni Malkin bothers me a lot more.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Mon May 12, 2008 7:59 am

Game one in Philly on Tuesday is rather LARGE

If they can get it to 2-1 then the confidence can begin to roll. A loss probably means the series is over.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Mon May 12, 2008 8:43 am

Diablo25 wrote:Nope...they got that one right. You can't call that a goal. No evidence for it. The Hatcher call is a bit more reasonable after seeing the stick between the legs.

Bingo.

I think the puck crossed the line. But there was no conclusive proof that it crossed the line since Biron's glove was hovering over the puck and then covered it.

The call on the ice was no goal, and there wasn't enough evidence from any video angle to overturn it.

Was it a goal? Probably. But thankfully the NHL doesn't use the O.J. jury to adjudicate its rules.

Take care,
PK

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Mon May 12, 2008 9:38 am

Jimmydeicide wrote:Didnt help that Downie still had a chance to stop the play after his turnover but went for a hit instead, the pass goes right by him to Talbot in the slot.

Spot on, mate. Downie was completely undressed three times on the Talbot goal.

First, he turned over the puck. Then he didn't stay with Roberts when Roberts skated through the slot to the end boards to get Laraque's dump-in. Then Downie didn't put his stick in the passing lane to stop the pass to Talbot, instead going for a hit even though he was two or three strides behind the play.

But, hey, it's Steve Downie. That's what you get. It's not like the guy is the reincarnation of Doug Jarvis.

Take care,
PK

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Mon May 12, 2008 7:41 pm

As I expected, Ron Wilson is fired from San Jose.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Mon May 12, 2008 8:44 pm

pk500 wrote:
Jimmydeicide wrote:Didnt help that Downie still had a chance to stop the play after his turnover but went for a hit instead, the pass goes right by him to Talbot in the slot.
Spot on, mate. Downie was completely undressed three times on the Talbot goal.

First, he turned over the puck. Then he didn't stay with Roberts when Roberts skated through the slot to the end boards to get Laraque's dump-in. Then Downie didn't put his stick in the passing lane to stop the pass to Talbot, instead going for a hit even though he was two or three strides behind the play.

But, hey, it's Steve Downie. That's what you get. It's not like the guy is the reincarnation of Doug Jarvis.

Take care,
PK

Ah, Steve Downie. When I saw him with a sweater last night I cringed. Then I cringed again, again and again.

Naples39 · Post by **Naples39** » Mon May 12, 2008 8:49 pm

Eh, I thought Steve Downie played a pretty strong game up until that point. He was very effective along the boards, and threw a number of strong checks. For a 4th liner it was not a bad performance at all and better than Thoresen's recent games, excepting the gaffe for the goal of course. Actually a Thoresen turnover led to a Pens goal during game 1 as well.

It's not like he was the only guy that made a turnover all night for the Flyers. It just so happened that his teammates didn't bail him out for that particular mistake last night as with the Flyers' other turnovers.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon May 12, 2008 9:39 pm

Its the playoffs...Cant make stupid mistakes..Let alone multiple stupid mistakes on one play.

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Mon May 12, 2008 11:03 pm

Dallas is done. They look too tired after beating two good teams in ANA and SJ and even though they came back twice to tie the game, they just can't keep up with DET's hot guns, minus J. Franzen. The rookies are starting to show their inexperience in the blue line and M. Turco is a mere shadow of his earlier performances in the first two rounds. M. Modano had his best game yet but the whole team looks disoriented.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Mon May 12, 2008 11:11 pm

Maybe Detroit is just living up to expectations for a chance and people aren't giving them enough credit.

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Tue May 13, 2008 12:02 am

wco81 wrote:Maybe Detroit is just living up to expectations for a chance and people aren't giving them enough credit.

Oh, they are living up to expectations alright and far beyond. It's been a walk in the park for this team so far in the playoffs. In terms of credit, I think most people would agree that this is a very talented team, but they have great depth as well. How about having a guy in J. Hudler. Basically a fourth liner who scored a beauty and has double digit points in these playoffs. Not bad for a so called fourth liner. This team is deep and I think they'll win it all this year...

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Tue May 13, 2008 8:54 am

wco81 wrote:Maybe Detroit is just living up to expectations for a chance and people aren't giving them enough credit.

No question. And James is right about the team's depth. There aren't many teams that could lose their leading scorer in the playoffs, a guy who also is a big physical presence, and not skip a beat.

I think a Detroit-Pittsburgh final will be dynamite.

But today, fellas, I'm in hockey mourning. My Syracuse Crunch blew a 3-1 series lead against Toronto in the AHL quarterfinals and lost Game 7 last night in Toronto. The long wait for a second Calder Cup continues in the 'Cuse, as the team's only other Cup came in 1937, the first year the Cup was awarded.

Take care,
PK

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue May 13, 2008 8:57 pm

Fans in Philly booed after the replay.

What were they booing after they saw that replay?...was a great D play by Gonchar on Carter.

What was the chant?

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:12 pm

Need a big 3rd...never thought Id say this but...lets go Flyers!

I want a series.

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:22 pm

It was a great play by Gonchar, the Flyers fans were just booing because they wanted it to be called a penalty.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:23 pm

Feanor wrote:It was a great play by Gonchar, the Flyers fans were just booing because they wanted it to be called a penalty.

Oh Okay...I thought...maybe we got a different replay...

The game is still there for the taking.

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:34 pm

This game is putting me to sleep. Philly is not showing any urgency, PIT is just content to sit back and pound on a mistake by the opponent's D. On a night that M.A. Fleury looks rather shaky, I don't understand why Flyers are not shooting more.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:36 pm

10spro wrote:This game is putting me to sleep. Philly is not showing any urgency, PIT is just content to sit back and pound on a mistake by the opponent's D. On a night that M.A. Fleury looks rather shaky, I don't understand why Flyers are not shooting more.

I see that too....I think they are looking for the perfect play.

Like My H.S. soccer coach used to say.....shoooooot!!!!!!!!!!

Naples39 · Post by **Naples39** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:09 pm

10spro wrote:This game is putting me to sleep. Philly is not showing any urgency, PIT is just content to sit back and pound on a mistake by the opponent's D. On a night that M.A. Fleury looks rather shaky, I don't understand why Flyers are not shooting more.

That's just the way the Pens like to play. Their style of play is like an italian soccer team--pack it in defensively and count on your world class talent up front to find a goal or two out of nothing.

The frustrating part as a Flyers fan is that the Flyers controlled play in the first period of every single game this series, yet thanks to a series of unlucky bounces, bad calls, a bad turnover here or there, or a good finish from the Pens, the Pens have come out of the first with the lead every game.

Once the Penguins have an early lead, they're perfectly happy to sit on it, and with their two best puck moving d-men out, the Flyers are ill-equipped to counter that strategy.

Been a fun run that exceeded expectations, but it's hard to feel warm and fuzzy after a loss like tonight.