2007 NCAA Football Discussion

[XXXIV]

I like though how right now they abuse the Big East by playing in the conference in all the other sports. Big East needs to grow some balls and say all sports or get the f*** out parasites.

That NEVER will happen, because Notre Dame is one of the top draws -- if not the top draw -- as a road team for every hoop program in the Big East.

The only games that usually draw more than ND at the Carrier Dome each year are UConn and the final home game, where the seniors are honored.

Take care,
PK

Ahhh....Now it makes some sense to me .

[bdunn13]

Coaches Poll is out....


WVU
Miss
OSU
UGA
Va Tech - Kansas tied


Surprised KU only fell to 5.. I guess their late game push helped them last night. I would have figured they would fall to around 15.

[MizzouRah]

What a game! I just watched the game again this morning because I watched most of it last night at a wedding reception on like a 3" lcd. Hahah.. all of us were squeezed togther watching the game on this little thing.

I feel like a little kid....

[pk500]

Surprised KU only fell to 5.. I guess their late game push helped them last night. I would have figured they would fall to around 15.

Fifteen? As a one-loss team that lost only to the No. 2 team in the land by just eight points?

I thought KU was overrated, but they're not as shoddy as I thought. And they're certainly better than the No. 15 team in the land.

If they played in the SEC, then would KU be worthy of only falling to No. 5?

Take care,
PK

[Brando70]

Great game last night. KU showed a lot of heart by not quitting. Hope the Tigers win next week and play for the title -- they are fun to watch. It's still hard to hear "the #1 ranked Missouri Tigers."

[MizzouRah]

Coaches Poll is out....


WVU
Miss
OSU
UGA
Va Tech - Kansas tied


Surprised KU only fell to 5.. I guess their late game push helped them last night. I would have figured they would fall to around 15.

Do you watch college football?

Kansas is for real and a hell of a team. Missouri played a great game and Kansas made mistakes, could have went either way. I'd put either of these teams against ANY team in the nation.

There are probably 11-12 top teams that can compete against one another and the game would be a pick em. They really need a playoff system.

Oh, and it's a farce Georgia is ranked higher.

[jondiehl]

Fifteen? As a one-loss team that lost only to the No. 2 team in the land by just eight points?

#1 team in the land, thank you very much.

Missouri is 2nd in the coaches poll, #1 in the AP and BCS (only one that matters).

They would have been #1 in the coaches poll too, but for whatever reason 6 coaches voted Ohio State #1

No worries, after next weekend when they take down the #9 Sooners while West Virginia is playing an unranked 4-7 Pittsburgh team, they might be able to grab those 6 votes and steal some of the WVU #1 votes to get 1st place in the coaches poll too.

West Virginia better put up 80 against Pittsburgh or they might lose ground to Ohio State.

[XXXIV]

They would have been #1 in the coaches poll too, but for whatever reason 6 coaches voted Ohio State #1

West Virginia better put up 80 against Pittsburgh or they might lose ground to Ohio State.

I didnt know Abner had a vote in the coaches poll...

Now you know why teams feel they have to keep scoring.

[bdunn13]

Coaches Poll is out....


WVU
Miss
OSU
UGA
Va Tech - Kansas tied


Surprised KU only fell to 5.. I guess their late game push helped them last night. I would have figured they would fall to around 15.

Do you watch college football?

Kansas is for real and a hell of a team. Missouri played a great game and Kansas made mistakes, could have went either way. I'd put eith

er of these teams against ANY team in the nation.

There are probably 11-12 top teams that can compete against one another and the game would be a pick em. They really need a playoff system.

Oh, and it's a farce Georgia is ranked higher.

You really think Kansas could play with Florida? I hate Florida but I think they put up 60 on Kansas.

Kansas would get more respect if they did not play the 80th schedule in the nation.

[XXXIV]

All these post scream playoffs.

[Leebo33]

You really think Kansas could play with Florida? I hate Florida but I think they put up 60 on Kansas.

You SEC guys are really getting a lot of mileage out of one BCS championship game blowout. I swear I just saw one of the SEC's most storied programs lose at home to Louisiana-Monroe. Another .500 SEC team ventured to West Virginia and lost by 25 points. Earlier I remember South Florida winning at Auburn. A 6-2 in the SEC Tennessee team team lost at Cal by 2 TDs. I really don't see any impressive wins for the *entire* SEC in out-of-conference games except maybe LSU beating Virginia Tech at home early in the season.

Who can really say how Florida would do against Kansas? Mississippi lost to Florida at home by 6 and Missouri by 13.

I think the SEC is a great football conference, but I've never seen egos inflate so much from one poor showing by Ohio State in a single Bowl game. I mean, Wisconsin beat Arkansas and Penn State beat Tennessee last year in Bowl games. The year before West Virginia beat Georgia, Wisconsin beat Auburn, and Missouri beat South Carolina. In 2004/05 Iowa beat LSU, Georgia beat Wisconsin by 3, and Minnesota beat Alabama. I just picked some results from Big Ten/Big East/Big 12 schools since they are so slow and untalented.

[bdunn13]

You really think Kansas could play with Florida? I hate Florida but I think they put up 60 on Kansas.

You SEC guys are really getting a lot of mileage out of one BCS championship game blowout.
I think the SEC is a great football conference, but I've never seen egos inflate so much from one poor showing by Ohio State in a single Bowl game.

I would not call me an "SEC guy." I was pulling for OSU over Florida.

And I don't think I have ever said SEC was the best conference but I do think its hard, very hard. Its out of conference wins/losses don't reflect that. What reflects its a difficult conference is the fact that almost any team in the conference can beat any team in the conference.

[Brando70]

If Florida could put up 60 on Kansas then Florida wouldn't have three losses.

Florida is a good team, but they have one win against an opponent still ranked in the top 25. It's not how much you win your games by, it's how many games you win.

The SEC is not as good as people think. BK nailed it, it's a deep conference with a number of good teams but it doesn't have a team head and shoulders above everyone else. They have been plagued by the same parity everyone else has.

If Mizzou wins next week, the Tigers and WVU deserve to play in the title game. They have made the fewest mistakes in a season riddled with upsets. Both teams' only losses are to teams ranked in the top 25 right now. Missouri in particular has earned it because they had to work that much harder without the help of a preseason ranking. Likewise, with one loss to an Illinois team ranked #15, OSU deserves a bid for the title game.

You can argue woulda-shoulda-coulda about s*** like strength of schedule, but in the end you have to earn your right to play for a championship on the field. The rest is all academic. And this sport already resembles a figure skating competition in its championship mechanism, so it doesn't need to look like a math-off too.

[Jared]

If they played in the SEC, then would KU be worthy of only falling to No. 5?

If they played in the SEC, they'd be lucky to get 5 wins in the league, and would likely be 3-5 or 4-4, and they wouldn't be in the top 25. Kansas doesn't deserve to be #5 because of their schedule. Four OOC creampuffs, a very weak Big 12 North (except for Mizzou), and a Big South schedule that was without the top 3 teams in that division (Texas, OU, and Texas Tech).

(And I would love to see Kansas play a good SEC team in a bowl game.)

I don't think Kansas deserves to be #5 because of their schedule. Same reason why people don't think Hawaii deserves to be higher than #10, even though they're undefeated. It's their schedule.

Oh, and I love college football...but a simple 8 team playoff with the champs of the big 6 leagues getting auto invites, with the last two spots filled by independents/small conference champs that make the top 10 of the BCS or the top ranked at large teams would make the regular season important, make conf. championship games hugely important, and be short enough to make sense. I'd love to see something like this happen. Florida's president had a playoff proposal that he presented to the SEC, but they backed out. I'm still hoping though...

[XXXIV]

Oh, and I love college football...but a simple 8 team playoff with the champs of the big 6 leagues getting auto invites, with the last two spots filled by independents/small conference champs that make the top 10 of the BCS or the top ranked at large teams would make the regular season important, make conf. championship games hugely important, and be short enough to make sense. I'd love to see something like this happen. Florida's president had a playoff proposal that he presented to the SEC, but they backed out. I'm still hoping though...

Thats the one Id like to see too...but Id make the big 10 and Pac 10 have a conf championship game too....especially the Big 10. There are years when the two best big 10 teams dont even play...well at least one I can remember when Iowa didnt play OSU.

[MizzouRah]

You really think Kansas could play with Florida? I hate Florida but I think they put up 60 on Kansas.

Kansas would get more respect if they did not play the 80th schedule in the nation.

I would bet you $500 Florida couldn't put up 60 on Kansas. I've watched 5 Kansas games this year and yes they've had a "not so tough" schedule, but they are much better than most people think.

[pk500]

And I don't think I have ever said SEC was the best conference but I do think its hard, very hard. Its out of conference wins/losses don't reflect that. What reflects its a difficult conference is the fact that almost any team in the conference can beat any team in the conference.

And what makes that any different than the Big East, where about the only team incapable of beating another this season was Syracuse? W. Va. probably will end up as the only team in the Big East this season with only one in-conference loss.

Also, every Big East team has been ranked at least one week this season except for Pitt and Syracuse. That's 75 percent of the teams.

Finally, there were no winless teams in-conference in the Big East this season. Even pathetic Syracuse upset Louisville for its lone conference win. You can't say that about the SEC, thanks to winless Ole Miss.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not putting the Big East at the pinnacle among college football conferences, even though it's not as bad as most people think. But it is an example of how other BCS participant conferences meet or exceed your criteria for what makes the SEC supposedly so powerful.

Take care,
PK

[pigpen81]

Let me add that in 2005, Wyoming beat Ole Miss....in Ole Miss..... 24-14.

That's a Mountain West team beating an SEC team on the road.

Then, last year, Air Force went into Tennessee and lost 31-30.....yes, that is a service academy almost beating Tennessee in their vaunted home stadium....if I remember correctly, they went for 2 instead of opting for the PAT to send it to OT and were stopped by a hair.

It's no wonder the SEC didn't play anyone with any bite this year.

[bdunn13]

But it is an example of how other BCS participant conferences meet or exceed your criteria for what makes the SEC supposedly so powerful.

Take care,
PK

I never said the SEC was powerful. I said it was a difficult conference.

[Jared]

Also, every Big East team has been ranked at least one week this season except for Pitt and Syracuse. That's 75 percent of the teams.

Finally, there were no winless teams in-conference in the Big East this season. Even pathetic Syracuse upset Louisville for its lone conference win. You can't say that about the SEC, thanks to winless Ole Miss.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not putting the Big East at the pinnacle among college football conferences, even though it's not as bad as most people think. But it is an example of how other BCS participant conferences meet or exceed your criteria for what makes the SEC supposedly so powerful.

Take care,
PK

The Big East specifically has purposefully set up their conference schedule to be backloaded such that matchups between better teams in the conference happen later in the season. This leads to teams with better records than it seems earlier in the season, and leads to teams in the Big East being ranked at some point in the season when maybe they shouldn't be. And outside of #2 ranked West Virginia, the best teams in the league are currently ranked #21st and #23rd.

As for arguments about the power of the SEC, it has serious depth. Seven teams are ranked in the top 25 of the Sagarin rankings, and the SEC is rated as the top conference in college football. I don't think any other conference in college football has this kind of quality and depth.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm

And as for the SEC not playing anyone with bite...please.

LSU played Va Tech, Tennessee played Cal, Georgia played Oklahoma St, Alabama and Florida played FSU, Mississippi State played West Virginia, Ole Miss played Mizzou, Auburn played Kansas St and USF, South Carolina played Clemson, Kentucky played Louisville, Vandy played Wake Forest. Ever team in the SEC has at least one good out of conference game on their schedule.

As for the other 2-3 non-conference games, yes, most SEC schedule patsies. But this is a financial necessity, as football is THE moneymaker for SEC schools and teams need 6-7 guaranteed home dates to pay for the rest of the money losing sports. You can't get that scheduling home and home series against good schools, hence the poor scheduling for other games. Other big schools (e.g. Ohio State) do the same thing...schedule one big OOC games and fill the rest with cupcakes in order to pay for the athletic program.

[bkrich83]

SEC is the deepest conference. No doubt. But the theory that they are so far ahead of the other conferences is outdated. Maybe 4 or 5 years ago, that was the case, but not any more.

[Leebo33]

As for arguments about the power of the SEC, it has serious depth. Seven teams are ranked in the top 25 of the Sagarin rankings, and the SEC is rated as the top conference in college football. I don't think any other conference in college football has this kind of quality and depth.

Nobody doubts that the SEC has serious depth and it's fairly reflected in the BCS standings. The SEC has 2 of the 3 highest ranked 2 loss teams, the highest 2 3 loss teams, and the only rated 4 loss team. A one loss LSU or FLA should absolutely be ranked higher than almost every other team in the country. But I think that non-conference and bowl history has shown that SEC out-of-conference games are generally very competitive. So I'm not buying the fact that they system is broken just because a one loss West Virginia probably ends up in the title game. We're only a couple seasons away from West Virginia beating a 3 loss SEC team.

If I was betting on the games I'd certainly lean towards the SEC. But when someone says that Florida could put up 60 on Kansas (a team that gave up more than 28 points twice and a high of 39), you are basically saying that Kansas is worse than Troy, Western Kentucky, and Florida Atlantic. That I don't get.

[Teal]

Let me add that in 2005, Wyoming beat Ole Miss....in Ole Miss..... 24-14.

That's a Mountain West team beating an SEC team on the road.

Then, last year, Air Force went into Tennessee and lost 31-30.....yes, that is a service academy almost beating Tennessee in their vaunted home stadium....if I remember correctly, they went for 2 instead of opting for the PAT to send it to OT and were stopped by a hair.

It's no wonder the SEC didn't play anyone with any bite this year.

Everybody beats Ole Miss...I fail to see your point...they aren't the poster child for the SEC by a loooong shot, and never have been, so I call straw man...

[bdunn13]

Florida also put up 59 on UT, a team in the SEC championship.

[Leebo33]

I think he was piling on my Louisiana-Monroe/Alabama, SFLA/Auburn, and the fact that Miss. State can beat Auburn, Kentucky, and Alabama but loses by 25 in Morgantown post.