NBA 2K8 demo impressions

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:23 pm

JackB1 wrote:
dbdynsty25 wrote:Lets see if I can explain this to you and why it makes zero sense whatsoever.
Let me see if I can explain something to you......

I was replying to an earlier post and hadn't yet read his post later on where he changed his mind. Big deal. Funny how noboby else felt the need to point that out. But then again, you are one of a kind.

Press submit ONCE. You've got a lot to learn junior.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:24 pm

Waddupcouzin wrote:On a different note, LIVE '08 is a helluva lot better than last year, but truth be told that really wouldn't be that hard

Yeah, them improving Live was almost impossible NOT to do.

Post by **Jared** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:26 pm

DB,

You don't need to criticize every single little nitpicky thing that posters put up (especially posters that you don't like). Jack made a mistake and responded to Seanmac's first post, and didn't notice his second post. BIG DEAL. There is little need to point it out, and no need to point it out sarcastically.

Again, I don't mind sarcasm, I don't mind criticism, and I don't mind cutting on people at times. But when it's nitpicky, repeated, and targeted to specific people, all it does is ruin threads and/or keep people away from posting because they don't want to deal with your crap. That's not the atmosphere I want for this forum. So calm down with the unnecessary criticism, or you will be banned.

If people have opinions on this matter, feel free to PM me.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:36 pm

My initial comment to movie poster was not sarcastic at all...it was a comment pointing out that he didn't read seanmac's posts. That's it.

I guess I'm just not allowed to talk to him...fair enough. Please just implement the ignore feature on the PHP Forums...PLEASE.

Post by **Jared** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:55 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:My initial comment to movie poster was not sarcastic at all...it was a comment pointing out that he didn't read seanmac's posts. That's it.

I guess I'm just not allowed to talk to him...fair enough. Please just implement the ignore feature on the PHP Forums...PLEASE.

The eye roll was pretty sarcastic. And it continued throughout the thread. And it's not like you're foreign to the concept of sarcasm on these forums...

And again, you're allowed to talk to him. You're allowed to criticize and be sarcastic. You're just not allowed to be a dick to him (and, at times, others) continually. As as for the ignore function...if you can't deal with reading his posts, or others, then too bad. If people here deal with your personality with respect, you'll have to deal with his personality with respect as well.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:24 pm

I think Live is at the MVP 2004 stage. They have made a lot of progress but need one more year to make a really great game.

I'm kind of intrigued by a lot of the Association changes I've read about in 2k8. I think that plus the more solid gameplay would give this the nod for me over Live.

Post by **Jared** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:15 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:My initial comment to movie poster was not sarcastic at all...it was a comment pointing out that he didn't read seanmac's posts. That's it.

I didn't notice the "movie poster" moniker for Jack at first...but going back, I see that by movie poster, you mean Jack ass

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I had JUST posted about having a civil atmosphere in the forums, but you couldn't stop yourself. I also warned you about this as recently as Sunday via PM. So I've got no choice. You're banned from now until the end of the weekend. It's not an IP ban...so feel free to read the forums, you just can't post. Please do not create another username to post, or else you will have a much longer ban.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:01 am

I played both the Live and 2k8 demos back-to-back last night, and while Live has made tremendous strides, it's not where 2k8 is. Just from what I saw in the demo, 2k8 seems like it has reached the level of WE or MVP 2005 in terms of representing its sport. The ball movement is great, the rebounding very good, and I like the controls better than Live (I hate having jumpshot and layup buttons). Live has better graphics, but 2k's are still good.

BTW, both of these games show just how much Madden's presentation sucks.

kevinpars · Post by **kevinpars** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:27 am

I am not surprised by the improvements in NBA Live. I realize I am in the minority, perhaps even a chorus of one, but I actually liked March Madness last year and played through a few dynasties. I still have mixed feelings about the 2 buttons for layups/jump shots, but once I got used to it, it felt reasonably intuitive.

I will probably give both NBA games a rent and see if one feels good enough for the long haul.

Afrodamus · Post by **Afrodamus** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:42 am

WillHunting wrote:
dbdynsty25 wrote:
WillHunting wrote:But aside from the game, the player looks more life like and the signature moves are great. LeBron is unreal.
Toll Free: 1-800-EYE-CHEK

The player models are so much better in Live it isn't even in the same league. Lebron, for example, loooks like the little kid alter ego in the commercials he does for Nike. The players just are BLAH and the faces are horribly reproduced in comparison. It leads me to believe you haven't played Live because I can't see how anyone would contend that 2k8 looks better. Hell, half of the game is a damn blurr effect...which is annoying on a basketball court. I suppose Madden can KINDA get away with it since a football field is so big, but a 90+ foot basketball court shouldn't be that blurry in the background. Overkill of artistic license.

And if you think you can just blow by defenders in Live, bump up the difficulty...it gets very tough.
I hate the plastic look of the Live 08. Plus, it plays like dog poo. Don't care for it at all.

Nowhere did I say 2K8 looks better. Live does look better but I prefer 2K's animation/feel so much more.

dog poo....now thats a real technical term when describing a game...lol

I actually prefer the LIVE demo simply because I'm feeling that the 2k8 engine and graphics ran their course 2-3 years ago...The gameplay remains decent but visually I'm not impressed with the game. I'm also not pleased with the continued skating and sliding that is the trademark of games we saw from many developers on ps2 and xbox. Players feel weightless...the cockroach-like movements are still in the game and most importantly I feel like I'm a slave to the 2k animation system...While the animations are great I don't have a feeling as if I'm in complete control of them...LIVE imo gave me more user control.

2k8 should have devoted and committed to developing a true next gen hoop game for the 360 and ps3...Not just continually tweaking and porting their old engine to next gen consoles. I'm just not feeling 2k this year and after playing the LIVE demo the choice is clear for me...I'll likely run with LIVE this season and for the first year since 2001 won't even purchase 2k8...I'll come back to 2k8 when they decide to commit to a next gen game.

Afrodamus · Post by **Afrodamus** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:57 am

Brando70 wrote: Live has made tremendous strides, it's not where 2k8 is. J.

How could it be?...2k8 has used the same engine for 5-7 years now...meanwhile Live has made an effort to overhaul the whole game...Graphics, physics, gameplay...I think 2k should have done the same and thats make a firm commitment to a next gen version of their game...Their last 3 games could have easily been the same exact games visually and gameplaywise on the ps2 and xbox.

Personally I want developers to make attempts to innovate and change...2k has opted not to do that with the majority of their sports titles except for MLB2k7...MLB2k7, although a sub par game, made some great changes but just like LIVE 06 and LIve 07...MLB2k5 & 6 were garbage so there was nowhere else to go but up.

After playing the 2k8 demo I'm kinda like why would I buy 2k8 when I have 2k7...I don't see much of a difference that would compell me to go out and get 2k8 other than the possibility that I was a fan of the game and just bought it year after year as I do Madden...BTW...Madden is even getting boring...Its time for these developers to really start delivering next gen games that will WOW us

WillHunting · Post by **WillHunting** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:31 am

Afrodamus wrote:dog poo....now thats a real technical term when describing a game...lol

I know, I try very hard to get technical and descriptive.

Seriously, I don't dive as in depth as most posters here. If I like it, I like it. If not, then it is like stuff that even my dogs won't sniff.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:10 pm

Afrodamus wrote:
Brando70 wrote: Live has made tremendous strides, it's not where 2k8 is. J.
After playing the 2k8 demo I'm kinda like why would I buy 2k8 when I have 2k7.

I disagree, especially because of the ball movement. For years, the 2k series tended to overemphasize offense from the 2-3 positions, even on teams with good big men. In the demo, I saw more passing and getting it to the 4-5 spots. It's not a huge change from 2k7, but why would they reinvent the wheel when they have such a good game already?

spooky157 · Post by **spooky157** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:53 pm

Afrodamus wrote:
Brando70 wrote: Live has made tremendous strides, it's not where 2k8 is. J.
How could it be?...2k8 has used the same engine for 5-7 years now...meanwhile Live has made an effort to overhaul the whole game...Graphics, physics, gameplay...I think 2k should have done the same and thats make a firm commitment to a next gen version of their game...Their last 3 games could have easily been the same exact games visually and gameplaywise on the ps2 and xbox.

I remember you were very high on Live last year too and that game was not good. I think Live has better textures and the stuff on the court, when not in motion, look better than 2K but the animations and physics of 2K seem much more realistic and next gen to me than Live. When you look at all the animations and little things that go on in the 2K series since going to the 360 the old Xbox versions don't even come close. The arenas are so full of life, from the crowd, to the benches, etc. I definitely get the WOW factor when playing NBA 2K. Not in the way that I do when playing Bioshock but I get the illusion of it actually being a real basketball game.

And I disagree about MLB 2K7 being a sub par game. My favorite baseball game of all time, post-patch.

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:01 pm

Afrodamus wrote:
Brando70 wrote: Live has made tremendous strides, it's not where 2k8 is. J.
How could it be?...2k8 has used the same engine for 5-7 years now...meanwhile Live has made an effort to overhaul the whole game...Graphics, physics, gameplay...I think 2k should have done the same and thats make a firm commitment to a next gen version of their game...Their last 3 games could have easily been the same exact games visually and gameplaywise on the ps2 and xbox.

Personally I want developers to make attempts to innovate and change...2k has opted not to do that with the majority of their sports titles except for MLB2k7...MLB2k7, although a sub par game, made some great changes but just like LIVE 06 and LIve 07...MLB2k5 & 6 were garbage so there was nowhere else to go but up.

After playing the 2k8 demo I'm kinda like why would I buy 2k8 when I have 2k7...I don't see much of a difference that would compell me to go out and get 2k8 other than the possibility that I was a fan of the game and just bought it year after year as I do Madden...BTW...Madden is even getting boring...Its time for these developers to really start delivering next gen games that will WOW us

Yeah, good for EA for trying to make a playable NBA game this year, but I'm NOT paying for it. 2k's is 'where it's at'. Maybe next year...

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:58 pm

I'm leaning on just getting Live this year. I'm viewing it the same way as I did NHL 07 last year. Sure it wasn't the most accurate Hockey game but it was more fun to play than NHL 2K7. I've played both demos and i'm just not feeling it with 2K8 this year. Part of my problems with it are things they should have fixed already like shirts and shorts disappearing and the wobble/robotic effect when the players animation are being reset. It looks sloppy especially when this is a last gen engine on the 360 they are using.

NBA Live 08 feels fun if I can use that term. I like the presentation and the game is pretty decent. I played 2K8 and it felt like the developers were taking the safe route just like EA does with Madden.

Live 08 tries to be a good game but as long as i'm having some fun with it that's all I care.

seanmac31 · Post by **seanmac31** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:12 pm

A nice write-up by OS: http://features.operationsports.com/fea ... e=nba2k8pg

Afrodamus · Post by **Afrodamus** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:40 pm

spooky157 wrote:
Afrodamus wrote:
Brando70 wrote: Live has made tremendous strides, it's not where 2k8 is. J.
How could it be?...2k8 has used the same engine for 5-7 years now...meanwhile Live has made an effort to overhaul the whole game...Graphics, physics, gameplay...I think 2k should have done the same and thats make a firm commitment to a next gen version of their game...Their last 3 games could have easily been the same exact games visually and gameplaywise on the ps2 and xbox.
I remember you were very high on Live last year too and that game was not good. I think Live has better textures and the stuff on the court, when not in motion, look better than 2K but the animations and physics of 2K seem much more realistic and next gen to me than Live. When you look at all the animations and little things that go on in the 2K series since going to the 360 the old Xbox versions don't even come close. The arenas are so full of life, from the crowd, to the benches, etc. I definitely get the WOW factor when playing NBA 2K. Not in the way that I do when playing Bioshock but I get the illusion of it actually being a real basketball game.

And I disagree about MLB 2K7 being a sub par game. My favorite baseball game of all time, post-patch.

You have a poor memory because I wasn't high on LIVE last year...As for MLB2k7...come on man as much as I wanted to like that game the gameplay was garbage...It was a HR fest

spooky157 · Post by **spooky157** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:10 pm

Afrodamus wrote: You have a poor memory because I wasn't high on LIVE last year...As for MLB2k7...come on man as much as I wanted to like that game the gameplay was garbage...It was a HR fest

Yeah, this looks familiar....

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Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:53 pm

I dl'd the demo as well and was unimpressed. Maybe it just reminds me of the same old 2k basketball series that I'm sort of grown tired of. I just like the way Live08 comes off the screen this year. Live's demo also looks more polished than 2ks.

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:46 pm

Inuyasha wrote:I dl'd the demo as well and was unimpressed. Maybe it just reminds me of the same old 2k basketball series that I'm sort of grown tired of. I just like the way Live08 comes off the screen this year. Live's demo also looks more polished than 2ks.

Yeah that pretty much sums it up for me as well. In fact i'm going to put Live 08 in the same camp with NHL 07. While NHL 07 wasn't the best hockey game last year it was the most fun.

This years Live has that fun factor about it just like NHL 07 and NHL 08. I also think that the NBA 2K series needs a fresh update, graphics and presentation are on the top of the list. The game play looks fine but what I find annoying is the start stop of the animation when their animations are being reset much like last year when the Coach would start, pivot 180 degrees, start, walk to the bench, then sit down all with that robotic look.

What's weird in NBA2K is that when the players have the ball the animations for the most part are very smooth and linked together quite nicely.

fanatic · Post by **fanatic** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:04 pm

My favorite sports games are still the ones that make me feel like I'm playing a really intelligent opponent. When the CPU offers a dynamic experience game in and game out, a title feels fresh for a long time and you have some epic battles with a lot of dimension to them.

2k8 seems like it could be that type of game. Already in the demo, which is clearly unpolished and on pro difficulty, I'm seeing some AMAZING decisions by the AI on the offensive end. In NBA Live 08, I don't get the feeling that the CPU will pounce on me if I decide to bring someone over for a double team, etc...They surely won't care that I'm using my 6'9" power forward at center, as rebounding battles are almost non-existent.

Don't get me wrong, my initial impression when playing the Live demo was amazing. The game simply immerses you from the start. I'm just worried how it will hold up over a long season. As for 2k, my initial impressions were the opposite- not very pleasing on the eye. But the more I played, the more I liked.

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:52 pm

If NBA's franchise mode (if u can call it that) is anything like last years, good luck with that. oh, the online was a wreck as well.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:19 pm

Does this game include a season mode, or is it just franchise?

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:16 pm

sportdan30 wrote:Does this game include a season mode, or is it just franchise?

I wish developers would just give us both. I only ever play Season mode when it's available.