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pk500 wrote:
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bdunn13 wrote:MS denies there is an issue with the 360..

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7735
Do videogame HR departments require arrogance? Seriously, it seems like anyone who is high up in these companies has to act like a complete jagoff. Is there some Kelly Flock Finishing School they go to?
I'm not defending Microsoft one bit, but if the dude admitted there was a hardware problem inherent in the design, wouldn't it open MS to a class-action lawsuit considering the seemingly abnormal number of 360 failures?

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Oh, I wouldn't expect him to say, "Yeah, we really screwed the pooch on the design." But how about "We regret if any of our customers have had problems. We're always striving to improve our production process and deliver the best quality console we can." Instead, his whole response is that millions of people are enjoying the 360, so there must not be any problems. Yeah, they're enjoying it when it's not being shipped somewhere for repairs. What is infuriating is when they try to pretend it's some sort of Web hysteria. Maybe the overall % isn't that high, but when all you have is anecdotal evidence to go on, and there's a lot of anecdotal evidence out there, don't be f***in surprised when people think your console has the build quality of a Lego house.

All consoles have defective units or units that break. But I don't remember the PS2 launch generating this much talk of dead consoles. The closest one to this would the XBox drives.
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I dont expect them to admit it is made like s*** either ...but... what I do expect is something like them extending the warranty to 2 years.

I know Im dreaming but come on. This is a joke already.
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I got the coffin about 2 hrs after I posted on pg 4. For a company that doesn't admit a problem,they sure as hell have the procedure to ship the defective units back to them down pat.
The box
The foam for either side of the unit
The plastic bag
The seal tape
The UPS shipping sticker
Pretty printed directions on exactly what to do
And UPS website info to direct you to the nearest UPS drop off.

Yea.. they have done this a time or 2. :roll:
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snaz16 wrote:I got the coffin about 2 hrs after I posted on pg 4. For a company that doesn't admit a problem,they sure as hell have the procedure to ship the defective units back to them down pat.
The box
The foam for either side of the unit
The plastic bag
The seal tape
The UPS shipping sticker
Pretty printed directions on exactly what to do
And UPS website info to direct you to the nearest UPS drop off.

Yea.. they have done this a time or 2. :roll:
I think what you described above in and of itself is MS' admission that the 360 has had some serious issues in the earlier manufactured units. If the new cooling features that have been documented are now a part of the 360 manufacturing process, then that will be a good thing for users from here on out. It is too bad for all of us who have suffered with repeated failures (I have a Core and a Premium, on my 3rd Core) that we had to be the guinea pigs in this.
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DivotMaker wrote: I think what you described above in and of itself is MS' admission that the 360 has had some serious issues in the earlier manufactured units. If the new cooling features that have been documented are now a part of the 360 manufacturing process, then that will be a good thing for users from here on out. It is too bad for all of us who have suffered with repeated failures (I have a Core and a Premium, on my 3rd Core) that we had to be the guinea pigs in this.
The thing with mine is, I don't know how it could have "overheated." I hadn't played it in a few days, turned it on to load a game, and it froze. I rebooted and that's when I got the three red lights. My console was well ventilated and I hadn't really done much gaming -- I had a two-hour Forza session a few days before, and that had been about it.

Snaz is right, the instructional flyer gives it away that they have done this a lot. (I got my coffin yesterday.)
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The noise mine makes has tripled or so in the last few weeks, and it actually 'beeps' sometimes when I shut it off.

Here are some more fun stories:

Dude on 360 # 12
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3160603

Repair centers flooded in Europe
http://www.360-gamer.com/news.asp?id=1143
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I tend to believe this article that the failure rate is somewhere in the 30% range. For the record I still have my launch system which so far works with almost no problems.

http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home/D3Q7G8S2
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Rodster wrote:I tend to believe this article that the failure rate is somewhere in the 30% range. For the record I still have my launch system which so far works with almost no problems.

http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home/D3Q7G8S2
This is a HORRIBLY sourced story. The reporter talked with ONE EB Games manager in Sydney, and that's the basis of his claim that "retailers are reporting a 30 percent failure rate?"

That's a f*cking joke. One manager and a couple of pissed-off forum posters are the sources for a major expose?

I don't doubt the 360 has a high failure rate. But I sure as hell wouldn't believe the 30 percent rate based on the incredibly shoddy reporting by this site, which is staffed by amateur hacks masquerading as reporters.

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pk500 wrote:
Rodster wrote:I tend to believe this article that the failure rate is somewhere in the 30% range. For the record I still have my launch system which so far works with almost no problems.

http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home/D3Q7G8S2
This is a HORRIBLY sourced story. The reporter talked with ONE EB Games manager in Sydney, and that's the basis of his claim that "retailers are reporting a 30 percent failure rate?"

That's a f*cking joke. One manager is the source for a major expose?

I don't doubt the 360 has a high failure rate. But I sure as hell wouldn't believe the 30 percent rate based on the incredibly shoddy reporting by this site staffed by amateur hacks masquerading as reporters.

Take care,
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I see your point and it may be tough to tell what the actual number is but I seriously doubt it's the industry standard Microsoft claims, not with one guy who's on his 12th unit.

Whether it's a 5% or 30% no one can deny these systems are built like crap. Microsoft alone should be b*tch slapped for allowing the X-Clamp heatsink to make it's way into the final design.
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snaz16 wrote:I got the coffin about 2 hrs after I posted on pg 4. For a company that doesn't admit a problem,they sure as hell have the procedure to ship the defective units back to them down pat.
The box
The foam for either side of the unit
The plastic bag
The seal tape
The UPS shipping sticker
Pretty printed directions on exactly what to do
And UPS website info to direct you to the nearest UPS drop off.

Yea.. they have done this a time or 2. :roll:
Not really defending MS, but my Launch day console failed the first week and they had things like this then, actually I think it was better then.
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Too bad alot of people have had issues with their 360's, it's a great gaming console, but unfortunetly companies don't think about durability when selecting components.

Give me a 5 year warranty and another $100 added to the price and I'm still buying.
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This shows how crappy the 360's really are when it comes to reliability.

http://www.weplayxbox.com/2007/06/28/ex ... -xbox-360/


Exclusive: UK company has had enough of repairing Xbox 360

Xbox 360 The plot thickens! Micromart Ltd, a UK based company which has apparently ‘been providing a comprehensive repair service to Games Consoles for over 10 years’ has decided to can the service.

Following on from our own recent concerns
regarding why Xbox 360s that have been sent in for repair are taking so damn long to be returned, Micromart - a third party repairer of the Microsoft console, has announced that they will no longer be repairing the Xbox 360 ‘ring of death’ problem because the volume they’ve been receiving has been too much for them to cope with.

This problem is endemic on the Xbox 360 console and the volume has made this repair non-viable, states the company’s website.

we play Xbox spoke to Micromart to ask them why they’ve decided to pull out of repairing the ring of death fault and they told us the problem is deep-seated and lies in the initial manufacturing of the console - they believe that every console manufactured prior to October last year will have the same problem with the lead free solder used with the GPU, which dries out in the heat and leads to overheating. This means thousands of consoles are out there with the same problem.

They’ve pulled out of repairing this specific problem because it’s so widespread and it’s a manufacturing fault that Microsoft need to deal with themselves.

The company also said that many Xbox 360’s sent to 3rd party repairers are being returned in working order only to die again within the space of a few weeks. This is because the problem needs to be looked at and fixed directly by Microsoft because it’s too much work and too expensive for third party repairers to fix them and still guarantee that they will run for any decent amount of time.

One of the staff members at Micromart is already on his 6th console himself.

Recent reports suggest that Microsoft are currently receiving over 2,500 broken Xbox 360s a day in UK. We’re currently awaiting word from Major Nelson who is looking into the problem we’ve had waiting for our Xbox 360 to be returned.
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http://www.micromarteurope.com/index.ph ... n=Services

Their website has no console repair info(for any brand) at all on their site.
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greggsand wrote:http://www.micromarteurope.com/index.ph ... n=Services

Their website has no console repair info(for any brand) at all on their site.
Im already confused. :lol:
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greggsand wrote:http://www.micromarteurope.com/index.ph ... n=Services

Their website has no console repair info(for any brand) at all on their site.
I believe this is correct Micromart site:

http://www.micromartltd.co.uk/index.html
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pk500 wrote:
Rodster wrote:I tend to believe this article that the failure rate is somewhere in the 30% range. For the record I still have my launch system which so far works with almost no problems.

http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home/D3Q7G8S2
This is a HORRIBLY sourced story. The reporter talked with ONE EB Games manager in Sydney, and that's the basis of his claim that "retailers are reporting a 30 percent failure rate?"

That's a f*cking joke. One manager and a couple of pissed-off forum posters are the sources for a major expose?

I don't doubt the 360 has a high failure rate. But I sure as hell wouldn't believe the 30 percent rate based on the incredibly shoddy reporting by this site, which is staffed by amateur hacks masquerading as reporters.

Take care,
PK
I see your point but come on 90% of news is reported this way . Ask a guy on the street and there you have it .
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I was going to start off with "I can't believe it..." - but perhaps I should have known - my 360 died (good old 3 rings of death).

This is the first console I ever had die on me - of the disc based systems I've had PSX that still works, two PS2s (one I bought on launch day and a second slimline one) that still work and an Xbox that still kicking. Funnily enough the 360 is the only console I HAVEN'T modded and it's the one that kicked the bucket.

Not sure what to do now.....

EDIT: I had a similar story to Brando's - was away for several days, came back, turned on my 360 and it died. I'm drawing a chalk outline under my TV right now.
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Macca00 wrote:I was going to start off with "I can't believe it..." - but perhaps I should have known - my 360 died (good old 3 rings of death).

This is the first console I ever had die on me - of the disc based systems I've had PSX that still works, two PS2s (one I bought on launch day and a second slimline one) that still work and an Xbox that still kicking. Funnily enough the 360 is the only console I HAVEN'T modded and it's the one that kicked the bucket.

Not sure what to do now.....
No surprise as the Xbox 360 is built like crap. It's the worse engineered system I can ever remember. If it's out of warranty you can send it off to Llamma.com and they'll fix it right or if you don't hate Microsoft they'll either fix it or send you a new one. I've heard recently that they no longer send out refurbs. It's either your's get's fixed or you get a new one.
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Rodster wrote:
Macca00 wrote:I was going to start off with "I can't believe it..." - but perhaps I should have known - my 360 died (good old 3 rings of death).

This is the first console I ever had die on me - of the disc based systems I've had PSX that still works, two PS2s (one I bought on launch day and a second slimline one) that still work and an Xbox that still kicking. Funnily enough the 360 is the only console I HAVEN'T modded and it's the one that kicked the bucket.

Not sure what to do now.....
No surprise as the Xbox 360 is built like crap. It's the worse engineered system I can ever remember. If it's out of warranty you can send it off to Llamma.com and they'll fix it right or if you don't hate Microsoft they'll either fix it or send you a new one. I've heard recently that they no longer send out refurbs. It's either your's get's fixed or you get a new one.
If they are actually sending out new ones that's great news, however, i've only heard that they would try their best to send your original console back if they can.
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More proof that the 360 is built like crap.

http://www.dailytech.com/Retailers+Esti ... le7892.htm

Retailers Estimate Xbox 360 Failure Rate High as 33 Percent

Microsoft has said before that its Xbox 360 failure rate falls within three to five percent, what it believes to be well within industry standards. Internet reports from Xbox 360 owners, however, suggest that the failure rate is much higher than that.

In an effort to gain a more accurate picture of Xbox 360 failure rate, DailyTech decided to poll retail outlets that sell the Xbox 360 and with it the option to purchase an in-store extended warranty. Out of all Xbox 360 extended warranties sold, we wanted to know how many were claimed by consumers with defective consoles, thus giving us a more accurate failures percentage.

After contacting several retailers from various regions in North America, the responses were unanimous: the Xbox 360 is the least reliable gaming console in recent history. Current EB Games or GameStop employees who offered information did so under strict anonymity, as it is against company policy to reveal such information to the public. Furthermore, our sources confirmed that EB Games revised its Canadian warranty policies during early 2007 for consoles solely due to the failure rate of the Xbox 360.

EB Games held conference calls for its Canadian stores informing them of the new policy changes and revealing alarming failure rates of the Xbox 360. “The real numbers were between 30 to 33 percent,” said former EB Games employee Matthieu G., adding that failure rate was even greater for launch consoles. “We had 35 Xbox 360s at launch I know more than half of them broke within the first six months (red lights or making circles under the game discs). Two of them were dead on arrival.”

As a result of the high failure rate of the Xbox 360, EB Games corporate nearly doubled the prices of its one-year, over-the-counter warranty. While the previous warranty would give a customer a brand new console in exchange for the broken one, the new policy now states that the customer will receive a refurbished console instead. The move was made because it was becoming too costly for the retailer to give the customer a brand-new machine, which still carries a store cost close to the MSRP. The price increase and policy change wasn’t exclusive to only the Xbox 360, however, as it also applies to all other Sony and Nintendo consoles sold.

The failure rate nearing a third of all Xbox 360 consoles was found at other retailers too. A Best Buy customer service department manager, who wished to remain unnamed, said that failure rates for the console were “between a quarter to a third” of all units sold.

“We see a ton of [Xbox 360s] come back all the time. We strongly push our customers to buy our service plans no matter what they buy, but it is especially important for them with the Xbox 360,” said the manager. “It’s a lucky thing for us that Microsoft extended the factory warranty to one year, because we were having a hell of a time dealing with the launch units. Now we don’t have to deal with those broken [Xbox 360s] until their second year, for those
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Well, I called MS today to get an update on my 360 and they said it will take 4-6 weeks!!! It's already been about 2 weeks so I have another 2-4 to go. This sucks.
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JackB1 wrote:Well, I called MS today to get an update on my 360 and they said it will take 4-6 weeks!!! It's already been about 2 weeks so I have another 2-4 to go. This sucks.
Mine will have been gone 3 weeks on Fri. And next week I'm gone on vacation for 10 days. You got a phone number handy Jack? Think I'll bust them off a call. :roll:
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If you have the serial, you can check the status online.

http://service.xbox.com/servicehome.aspx
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snaz16 wrote:
JackB1 wrote:Well, I called MS today to get an update on my 360 and they said it will take 4-6 weeks!!! It's already been about 2 weeks so I have another 2-4 to go. This sucks.
Mine will have been gone 3 weeks on Fri. And next week I'm gone on vacation for 10 days. You got a phone number handy Jack? Think I'll bust them off a call. :roll:

Here you go:
1-800-4MY-XBOX

Make sure you ask for the hardware dept.
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JackB1 wrote:
snaz16 wrote:
JackB1 wrote:Well, I called MS today to get an update on my 360 and they said it will take 4-6 weeks!!! It's already been about 2 weeks so I have another 2-4 to go. This sucks.
Mine will have been gone 3 weeks on Fri. And next week I'm gone on vacation for 10 days. You got a phone number handy Jack? Think I'll bust them off a call. :roll:

Here you go:
1-800-4MY-XBOX

Make sure you ask for the hardware dept.
Thanks guys...I had it written down on my desk. I called and waited the usual 40 minutes before getting to talk to someone last nite. After all that,they weren't clear on the status,and I was told to call back next wed. :roll:
Since its been gone, the 2k7 patch and the Ncaa demo have come out,and I'm sitting on the sidelines on the gaming DL. (well not actually,I do have my $700 "the show",although I can't get new rosters for it...but thats another headache for a different thread :? )
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