The Show "MLB 07" Thread

skinsfan · Post by **skinsfan** » Wed May 09, 2007 4:32 pm

MizzouRah wrote:
skinsfan wrote:
MizzouRah wrote: Do list your sliders, what level, guess pitch, etc...
All-Star,guess pitch on,API set to default.
Everything is default except;
Pitch Speed is at 5(default is 10),Pitch Count at 20,Contact at 0,and cpu Pitch Aggressiveness at 5.
I use assisted fielding to help me get a jump on the ball.
Some people are making small adjustments to fielder reaction and throw accuracy,but those feel right at default to me.
Until you get a handle on controlling your runners,you may want to lower the Runner Aggression slider.It feels about right at default for the cpu runners.

I would play at default Veteran to start and get a feel for the controls and then move up,although there isn't a big difference between All-Star and Veteran.
I like the guessing game aspect of Guess Pitch feature,but guys who are real good at hitting feel it gives away too much.YMMV.
The API feature gives you pitch type and location suggestions-set to default this is hidden and can be brought up when you want.Set to On it always will show suggested type and location before you make your selection.Set to personal taste-sometimes it's good, sometimes the logic is a bit questionable.
The Plate Awareness Indicator doesn't do much for me;it looks like a cursor but doesn't act as such.I leave it off.
Thanks, I've been playing on AS defaults, but I'm tired of getting shelled every game. May give RTTS a try this weekend.

There is a learning curve,especially if you are coming over from MVP.
Definitely go with Veteran and Meter pitching.Remember,that the pitch placement is where it breaks,not where it ends up,ala MVP.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Wed May 09, 2007 4:48 pm

The one thing I miss is MVP's color coded pitching system. While it seems gimmicky, it really helps in picking up pitches. I wish other games had this. For me, it was one of the reasons why I stopped playing "The Show", I couldn't pick up on pitching.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Thu May 10, 2007 9:36 am

I've been playing the show for quite some time, but on the psp and on AS, there is just too much CPU hitting for my tastes. I started a RTTS career last night and I'm having much more fun. (although I don't think Pujols is too happy that I don't cover 1st on balls hit to him)

kicko · Post by **kicko** » Thu May 10, 2007 10:01 am

I too liked the color coded balls in MVP. I'm actually thinking of install 05 again with the '07 mod.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Tue May 15, 2007 12:23 am

IGN Review up.

7.7.

http://digitalsportspage.com/modules.ph ... ly&t=11849

Looks like I'm steering away from that PS3 purchase.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Tue May 15, 2007 9:55 am

jLp vAkEr0 wrote:IGN Review up.

7.7.

http://digitalsportspage.com/modules.ph ... ly&t=11849

Looks like I'm steering away from that PS3 purchase.

Definitly not what I was expecting as far as reviews go. Oh well.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Tue May 15, 2007 10:04 am

"computerized infield logic suffers from a number of AI flaws that just weren't in the PS2 version. In a number of games we played, we noticed instead of tagging a base during a force play, (especially if the runner hasn't gotten past the baseman) the infielder will more often than not opt to throw to the first baseman, which doesn't make sense. For instance, with one out and runners on first and second, a grounder is sent to the third baseman that's half a foot away from the bag. Instead of trying to turn the 5-4-3 double play or even stepping on third before throwing to another base, the fielder tosses the ball to first, making the inning drag on longer than usual. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever, but for some reason, the AI will pull bush league plays like this, which will make you scream."

Sounds like this might not be such a grand single player experience afterall. Multi-player seems like it'll be top notch though.

"On the other hand, this isn't what you'd expect a next-gen sports title to look like. Many of the faces look extremely generic, and while the camera will sometimes zoom in on them to show off the excitement or anger that washes over a player during a particular moment, you're probably not going think that athlete looks like their real life counterpart much. The same can be said about the character models, which are restricted to three body types and somewhat limited cloth physics. Considering that MLB's competition made their athlete's look much more realistic, you realize that the Show has a lot of catching up to do for next year's PS3 title. What's more, visual issues extend to your created players as well. For some reason, your created player's profile image with his stats won't ever match the athlete you put together, which is simply lazy. Outside of this, you'll find a number of glitches as hats and bats flicker into place, collision detection issues, like players trying to celebrate and missing each other's hands, and other random visual hiccups. However, some of the worst items are some of the background textures. While stadiums have received new textures, the background environments haven't, so generic areas like Baseball City in Florida during Spring Training games or minor league parks in particular look horrendous. Water textures outside of parks look really poor. Combined with load times that can last up to 30 seconds or more for any single game or Road to the Show situation, and you'll wonder if this game is really utilizing the PS3."

This is supposed to be a next gen game? They're charging PS3 owners $60 for basically a port, incomplete at that too? I can say without any hesitancy that I'm glad I didn't go out and purchase the PS3 for this game alone. Next year, I'm quite confident I'll be playing MLB The Show '08 however.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Tue May 15, 2007 10:17 am

I don't trust ANY reviewers of baseball games...especially at the "usual" sites. I'm not saying the problems they mentioned don't exist but time and time again their reviews end up being a result of too little time with a game and the reviewer being a "casual" baseball fan. If the game turns out to be mediocre then I'll be sure to say it. I don't want to here anything about the graphics - I've seen them and have NO problem whatsoever with them. I'll have my own impressions tomorrow.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Tue May 15, 2007 12:34 pm

From a member at OS that has had the game since Sunday. His impressions are a bit different than IGN's.

Hi All,

I've had the game since Sunday, and after 9 games of Exhibition, I have not seen any of the questionable AI that the reviewer has mentioned...they have always gone for the DP when they have had the chance (trust my free-swinging, groundball hitting ***, I know!).

Anyways, I haven't put in any time with this years ps2 version but I did play the 360 version of 2k7 (for a weeks worth of slider tweaking before giving up and trading it in) and I can SAFELY say that Sony's offering on the PS3 is superior to 2k7 in just about every department (I'll give it a "push" in the graphics department, with 2k7 having "prettier" graphics, but MLB running at a better framerate with more animations and adjustable cameras in the field).

Not saying 2k7 "suxors", but to me 2k7 played more like a "videogame" while MLB plays more like "baseball" (if you grew up on the High Heat series like I did, you know what I'm talking about). There really isn't anything gamebreaking that I've seen sofar on the field...only negatives I have are no interaction between a homerun ball and the stands (I loved this in 2k), not really alot of bloop hits (but still way more hit variety than 2k), haven't seen any triples yet, haven't drawn too many walks (like I said though, I'm I free swinger...but I have dealt my fair share of walks on the pitching side), and a kinda wonky baserunning interface (MVP still did this the best). Everything else that people might gripe about looks to be adjustable by sliders (I haven't needed to touch mine, sofar)

I don't think anyone looking forward to this game will be disappointed (from a gameplay standpoint, at least). If anyone has any questions, let me know.

His mentioning og High Heat eased my anxiety for the game.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Tue May 15, 2007 12:38 pm

Sorry, double post.

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:04 pm

"New baseball games in a forum" recipe:

1.Bad/mediocre reviews hit the web
2.Everyone says 'screw the reviews'
3.One week of people posting how awesome the game is
4.Next week people start posting flaws/wish-list items
5.Next week people post how their game is going on ebay
6.Eight weeks later the hardcore post how they are still loving the game

Sprinkle in some slider discussion to taste and bake for 45 minutes...

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:06 pm

greggsand wrote:"New baseball games in a forum" recipe:

1.Bad/mediocre reviews hit the web
2.Everyone says 'screw the reviews'
3.One week of people posting how awesome the game is
4.Next week people start posting flaws/wish-list items
5.Next week people post how their game is going on ebay
6.Eight weeks later the hardcore post how they are still loving the game

Sprinkle in some slider discussion to taste and bake for 45 minutes...

That's the recipe for every videogame that has ever been and will ever be released.

Spooky · Post by **Spooky** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:13 pm

greggsand wrote:"New baseball games in a forum" recipe:

1.Bad/mediocre reviews hit the web
2.Everyone says 'screw the reviews'
3.One week of people posting how awesome the game is
4.Next week people start posting flaws/wish-list items
5.Next week people post how their game is going on ebay
6.Eight weeks later the hardcore post how they are still loving the game

Sprinkle in some slider discussion to taste and bake for 45 minutes...

Awesome! Add in there the week of slider tweaks and I think we have ourselves a sticky!!!

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:19 pm

I guess I just expected a lot more considering how "under wraps" they kept the game and extended the release date.

I'll read impressions from the faithful here, but it should be interesting next year with MLB 2k and MLB The Show going toe to toe on next gen.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:21 pm

ScoopBrady wrote:
greggsand wrote:"New baseball games in a forum" recipe:

1.Bad/mediocre reviews hit the web
2.Everyone says 'screw the reviews'
3.One week of people posting how awesome the game is
4.Next week people start posting flaws/wish-list items
5.Next week people post how their game is going on ebay
6.Eight weeks later the hardcore post how they are still loving the game

Sprinkle in some slider discussion to taste and bake for 45 minutes...
That's the recipe for every videogame that has ever been and will ever be released.

LOL. Yeah, just add patch discussions/rumors.

I just started playing the PSP version again after a layoff. I started a RTTS career as a 3B and I'll probably do another as a pitcher. I'm not sure what took me so long to play this mode, but I'm glad I did. It's hard to see the ball while baserunning on the PSP, but it's incredibly addictive.

AJColossal · Post by **AJColossal** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:33 pm

Granted, none of us have played it, but a good rule of thumb is:

No news WHATSOEVER about game + delay = trouble in paradise.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:40 pm

AJColossal wrote:No news WHATSOEVER about game + delay = trouble in paradise.

I'm trying to think of an exception to this rule and I can't come up with one.

I'm not saying that people can't/won't enjoy the game, but I think expectations should be low. I'd be very surprised if this game is a "system seller." Maybe next year.

snaz16 · Post by **snaz16** » Tue May 15, 2007 3:10 pm

That AI infielder bug would be a "Show Stopper" for me. I too was debating a Ps3 purchase. I will wait on the impressions around here,but I'll probably stick to 2k7 or even fire up that 1961 season on MVP 05 for the pc for a change of pace. I played a little of The Show 06 on the ps2 last night,and I just have a hard time getting past the graphics. Is 07 that much better than 06 for the ps2 ?

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Tue May 15, 2007 3:28 pm

I almost bought this on the way home but held off, something bothered me about the lack of hype.

Now its going to come down to some DSP testers. Because you're going to get reviews and then the Show / PS3 fans claiming this game is the best no matter what.

So hopefully one of you sucke...I mean guys gives this a test.

Leadfoot5 · Post by **Leadfoot5** » Tue May 15, 2007 3:33 pm

I dunno, IGN gave MLB2K7 for the 360 a 7.9 and I LOVE that game. A 7.7 from them for this one is not scaring me off. I'm encouraged that the review points out the constant 60FPS, and I was already pretty clear on what the game would and wouldn't have thanks to the Q&A with the developers on OS.

I'll post some impressions when I have them, but it doesn't look like it'll be in my area until tomorrow afternoon...

Al

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Tue May 15, 2007 3:53 pm

snaz16 wrote:That AI infielder bug would be a "Show Stopper" for me. I too was debating a Ps3 purchase. I will wait on the impressions around here.

Same here.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Tue May 15, 2007 4:14 pm

Leebo33 wrote:
ScoopBrady wrote:
greggsand wrote:"New baseball games in a forum" recipe:

1.Bad/mediocre reviews hit the web
2.Everyone says 'screw the reviews'
3.One week of people posting how awesome the game is
4.Next week people start posting flaws/wish-list items
5.Next week people post how their game is going on ebay
6.Eight weeks later the hardcore post how they are still loving the game

Sprinkle in some slider discussion to taste and bake for 45 minutes...
That's the recipe for every videogame that has ever been and will ever be released.
LOL. Yeah, just add patch discussions/rumors.

I just started playing the PSP version again after a layoff. I started a RTTS career as a 3B and I'll probably do another as a pitcher. I'm not sure what took me so long to play this mode, but I'm glad I did. It's hard to see the ball while baserunning on the PSP, but it's incredibly addictive.

Me too, I almost sold it all because the normal game did nothing for me. Started an RTTS career as a SP and I'm having so much fun. (Took me a bit to get used to throwing to the correct base when fielding).

The rosters I'm using were accurate as of 5/7, so as long as Carpenter and Mulder, who are in AAA to start Spring Training, get moved up the bigs and I don't see normal players sitting in AAA after injuries, this mode will eat up my time. Someone did say after a player was hurt and came back, they would sit in the minors.. not sure if that was the ps2 version or psp.

Anyhow, this mode is very addictive and I love only having to play every 5th game.

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Tue May 15, 2007 4:55 pm

I think the majority of the guys that own the PS3 will eventually buy the game including myself, while I doubt the game itself will WOW anyone to get a PS3.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Tue May 15, 2007 5:52 pm

snaz16 wrote:Is 07 that much better than 06 for the ps2 ?

Yes...the hit variety alone is worth the price of admission.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Tue May 15, 2007 7:34 pm

Ouch:

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=31 ... ec=REVIEWS

In the end, The Show is a solid game, but where the PS2 (and PSP) versions are inspired, the PS3 offering doesn't give the same feeling of "real" baseball. It's a no-contest this season: For the best new-gen baseball, stick with the most beautiful choice: MLB 2K7.

Now, it's clear this guy is all about graphics, but for $60 and a $600 system, why not expect visuals like MLB 2k7?