OT: A rant on the Imus issue.

ddtrane · Post by **ddtrane** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:37 am

BasketballJones wrote:
It's a bit odd we are attempting to promote peace and tolerance among Shiites and Sunni's in a culture our country doesn't understand when we can't do it in our own country in a culture which we perceive to understand.

This is truly one the most eye opening statements that I read doing this thread.

backbreaker · Post by **backbreaker** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:41 am

White people are always right, thats the bottom line. Always trying to flip the script and point the finger at someone else. Its the rappers fault, rappers used these words all the time, the old deflection trick. Yes Al and Jesse are at least to me are shaddy and have said some racist thing.

You guys are funny out of all the ish you guys have gotten away with as soon as a black person gets away with something or stops a white man from doing something all hell breaks loose, cause you're used to getting your way period. Deflect, deflect and more deflections cause you can't handle it, instead of talking about rappers and others like AL and Jesse focus on the bastard who made the comment and leave at that, but no the old deflection and pointing fingers that ish is old try something else. Rappers didn't start those words, white people did all those derogatory statements were used by whites to denegrate black people, clean your own back yard.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:50 am

backbreaker wrote:White people are always right, thats the bottom line.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:52 am

backbreaker wrote:White people are always right, thats the bottom line. Always trying to flip the script and point the finger at someone else. Its the rappers fault, rappers used these words all the time, the old deflection trick. Yes Al and Jesse are at least to me are shaddy and have said some racist thing.

You guys are funny out of all the ish you guys have gotten away with as soon as a black person gets away with something or stops a white man from doing something all hell breaks loose, cause you're used to getting your way period. Deflect, deflect and more deflections cause you can't handle it, instead of talking about rappers and others like AL and Jesse focus on the bastard who made the comment and leave at that, but no the old deflection and pointing fingers that ish is old try something else. Rappers didn't start those words, white people did all those derogatory statements were used by whites to denegrate black people, clean your own back yard.

Talk about deflection. Your comments are ridiculous.

Not one Imus supporter here has backed his words. All of us have said they were reprehensible. And I think all of us agree that CBS and MSNBC have the right to fire him for any reason, including blowing his nose the wrong way.

But most of our objections here are two-fold.

One, MSNBC and CBS have profited for more than a decade from Imus' colorful humor and racist remarks. They had no problem cashing in on them until now, when Jesse, Al and advertisers raised a ruckus.

For the networks, it's all about the bottom line. It's irritating as hell to hear these network execs say the decision was made because of taste issues, morals or because their employees were outraged.

That has NOTHING to do with it; it has everything to do with advertiser dollars.

Two, how can the irony of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson leading the charge to have a man fired for racist comments be overlooked? These two men have made similar racist remarks in the past, yet now they can spearhead the firing of a man for racist comments? No irony there?

And what about the concept of forgiveness from two supposed men of the cloth? The Rutgers' women's basketball team doesn't use the collar as some sort of false sanctimonious moral crutch like Sharpton or Jackson, yet they have shown a hell of a lot more Christian virtue and forgiveness than either of those clowns.

I think those are the two major issues most Imus supporters have with this affair, not the question of what Imus said was right or wrong. There is no question there -- what he said was wrong.

Take care,
PK

ddtrane · Post by **ddtrane** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:39 am

Leebo33 wrote:Uh-oh. The announcer in the Pens game just referred to the Senators' African-American goalie as "well spoken." Racist (according to Dan Patrick on his radio show)!

Leebo, I don't mean to be a dick, but Ray Emery is not African-American,

http://www2.ottawasenators.com/eng/team ... 9&lang=eng

He's African-Canadien if there is such a term. Mike Grier is the only African-American in the league.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:50 am

ddtrane wrote:Ray Emery is not African-American

Oooops. I didn't even think about that. I know that saying an African-American is "well spoken" is considered taboo here because journalists/announcers generally don't say that about white athletes. I remember Dan Patrick ranting about that on his show a few weeks ago when someone called Kobe Bryant "well spoken."

ddtrane · Post by **ddtrane** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:58 am

Leebo33 wrote:
ddtrane wrote:Ray Emery is not African-American
Oooops. I didn't even think about that. I know that saying an African-American is "well spoken" is considered taboo here because journalists/announcers generally don't say that about white athletes. I remember Dan Patrick ranting about that on his show a few weeks ago when someone called Kobe Bryant "well spoken."

Yes I remember that. I really like the DP show, but he upset me when he didn't put more pressure on Michael Irvin for saying "that Tony Romo must have some black in him because he so athletic". Theres goes the double standard in effect because if a white athlete was to say that he would be tarred, feathered, and required to do 50 hours of community service after donations to UNCF and the NAACP.

Jackdog · Post by **Jackdog** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:51 pm

backbreaker wrote:
You guys are funny out of all the ish you guys have gotten away with as soon as a black person gets away with something or stops a white man from doing something all hell breaks loose, cause you're used to getting your way period. Deflect, deflect and more deflections cause you can't handle it, instead of talking about rappers and others like AL and Jesse focus on the bastard who made the comment and leave at that, but no the old deflection and pointing fingers that ish is old try something else. Rappers didn't start those words, white people did all those derogatory statements were used by whites to denegrate black people, clean your own back yard.

As black people the last back yard we need to worry about being cleaned is white folks. Many a white man died for our people righting the wrong's they committed. We were and still are the minority in this country. If all whites were as racist as you make them sound we would still be picking cotton. Good white people changed this nation and gave us the freedom we deserved. Like it or not it's the truth. It's called accountabilty.

When is our race going to do the same? Are we going to continue to sing the "Slavery song" and use that as a excuse for our failures? When are we going to be accountable for the way our women are being abused in our community? I am not talking about the trashy way idiots portray our women in shitty raps video's. I am talking about having 3 and 4 children with different women and not being man enough to help raise them. I am talking about brothers being locked up for dealing poison and saying it's the only choice they have in this white man's world to make a living. How about the high percentage of blacks behind bars? How about black on black crime? Who's fault is that? White people? Slavery? BULLSHIT!!!!! We all know right from wrong.

Today's black youth have more opportunities now to succeed than any other time in American history. We have run out of excuses and it's time to man up and be the race of good fathers and uncorrupted leaders Dr King gave his life for.

The guys on this forum are not trying to deflect. They want the double standards to end. Don't you? Two wrongs do not make a right. Correct? We as a people know what it's like to be the nigger. Why is it OK to flip the script when you have a hypocrite like Al Sharpton leading the way to have a man fired when he has done so many stupid things himself? Al Sharpton is one of the most dishonorable people I've ever seen in public life. The Tawana Brawley affair, in which Sharpton ruined the lives of several innocent people, and for which he has never even apologized, is indicative of the sort of man he is. Other indcidents in New York City demonstrated the same dishonor. Sharpton has cost people their lives.

1991: A Hasidic Jewish driver in Brooklyn's Crown Heights section accidentally kills Gavin Cato, a 7-year-old black child, and antisemitic riots erupt. Sharpton races to pour gasoline on the fire. At Gavin's funeral he rails against the "diamond merchants" -- code for Jews -- with "the blood of innocent babies" on their hands. He mobilizes hundreds of demonstrators to march through the Jewish neighborhood, chanting, "No justice, no peace." A rabbinical student, Yankel Rosenbaum, is surrounded by a mob shouting "Kill the Jews!" and stabbed to death.

1995: When the United House of Prayer, a large black landlord in Harlem, raises the rent on Freddy's Fashion Mart, Freddy's white Jewish owner is forced to raise the rent on his subtenant, a black-owned music store. A landlord-tenant dispute ensues; Sharpton uses it to incite racial hatred. "We will not stand by," he warns malignantly, "and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business." Sharpton's National Action Network sets up picket lines; customers going into Freddy's are spat on and cursed as "traitors" and "Uncle Toms." Some protesters shout, "Burn down the Jew store!" and simulate striking a match. "We're going to see that this cracker suffers," says Sharpton's colleague Morris Powell. On Dec. 8, one of the protesters bursts into Freddy's, shoots four employees point-blank, then sets the store on fire. Seven employees die in the inferno.

Sharpton is not and never has been an anti-racist crusader. People make all sorts of racist remarks about whites all the time; a lot of modern music demeans women, whites, etc. etc., but Sharpton is nowhere to be found. Hell, a lot of modern music is full of the ho-language, and the nigga-language. It's just different if a white uses it.

Neither is Sharpton a disciple of Dr. Martin Luther King, who dreamt of a color-blind society - where one is judged by the content of ones character, rather than the color of ones skin. Sharpton has always treated people differently, depending on the color of their skin. He would have treated a certain police officer in upstate New York very differently, if that officer's skin had been dark.

Somewhere a long time ago, the United States fell into the insidious trap of political correctness - where people came to believe that it is alright for others to tell you what you may or may not say - depending on whether preferred classes of people are offended. Of course, that makes one a slave to any person of a preferred class who says he's offended about anything. Such is in and of itself racist, because whites are exempt from never being offended. At least that what the Al Sharptons of the world would have us believe.

BasketballJones · Post by **BasketballJones** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:17 pm

backbreaker wrote:White people are always right, thats the bottom line. Always trying to flip the script and point the finger at someone else. Its the rappers fault, rappers used these words all the time, the old deflection trick. Yes Al and Jesse are at least to me are shaddy and have said some racist thing.

You guys are funny out of all the ish you guys have gotten away with as soon as a black person gets away with something or stops a white man from doing something all hell breaks loose, cause you're used to getting your way period. Deflect, deflect and more deflections cause you can't handle it, instead of talking about rappers and others like AL and Jesse focus on the bastard who made the comment and leave at that, but no the old deflection and pointing fingers that ish is old try something else. Rappers didn't start those words, white people did all those derogatory statements were used by whites to denegrate black people, clean your own back yard.

Dude talk about deflection, You are no different than the white biggots who promote the very things you decry. You, as a person, promote the double standard, therefore I would have no interaction with people of your kind. (Look deep on that dude, it has nothing to do with color). I do my best to insulate myself from that type of crap, to stop any racial or derogatory comments. Am I better than you? No, but in my profession and life I'm regarded as "diversified", open minded, when in reality I'm sensitive and protective to certain personal issues. I am also especially sensitive about comments made about "retards". If I didn't insulate myself, I'd be dropping punks like you to the pavement. The peaceful teachings of MLK apply to all facets of life, and I've learned violence is not the solution. (Wow a black person inspired me, maybe I am not a racist biggot) I won't apologize for being white and don't you apologize for being black. But with your attitude I'd be careful. The funny thing is once you and I found a common bond it would be different. Change is made through one relationship at a time. Groups can't promote that type of change because they are incapable of independent thinking. Groups don't care about individuals. Society sucks lets make it better! Peace Out on this subject.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:19 pm

And here's another thing about race that perpetuates racism in America.

In the wake of the alarming events in Virginia today, the press the quick to jump on the race of the shooter. It's like the media have a sick fascination to link race with the propensity of violence.

I just find it curious that the race of the shooter is that important.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:23 pm

JRod wrote:
I just find it curious that the race of the shooter is that important.

Anything that can stir s*** up and feed the media made frenzy is important to the scum at CNN and Fox...

bdunn13 · Post by **bdunn13** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:37 pm

Niice post JD, much respect to you bro.

BD

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:27 pm

bdunn13 wrote:Niice post JD, much respect to you bro.

BD

Yeah, awesome post!

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:19 pm

You speak the truth, Jackdiggity. Dr. King would be proud, man.

Take care,
PK

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:29 pm

Leebo33 wrote: I remember Dan Patrick ranting about that on his show a few weeks ago when someone called Kobe Bryant "well spoken."

I'm sure he was very polite when he told that Colorado girl to kiss his dick.

Sport73 · Post by **Sport73** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:16 am

JackDog,

All I can say is WOW. It takes a brave and candid man to stand up and share those opinions, even on the web. My hats off to you for your candor and conviction.

Being white, I don't have the ability to empathyze with the challenges of racism. What I do recognize is that racism comes in odd forms these days, thanks to political correctness run rampant.

A color blind world doesn't change its behavior because of arbitrary and insignificant things like skin-color. ANY change in behavior that is triggered by race is racism, even when that behavior is 'positive', because it reinforces the faulty idea that people SHOULD be treated differently based upon race. I'm sure you've probably come across a few "black happy" whites in your day; guys that try a bit too hard to show their not racist and instead end up coming across as phony. They're racists, in their own way, because they're just not comfortable being themselves around people of other races.

Children can recognize a difference in skin color, but make NO qualitative judgements about it. Adults, and a society/media consumed with political correctness can do more harm than good by introducing children to concepts of bigotry that would otherwise have never occured to them. For every person offended by Imus' comments, there were 100 children, black and white, who got their first taste of a racial divide they never knew existed.

I'm not pretending that we can raise our kids without them being exposed to or made aware of history and it's horrors, but sometimes I worry that we're perpetuating the problem by not letting them stay innocent a little longer.

My 4-year old daughter's 'best friend' at pre-school is black, and I won't watch news coverage of the Imus or any other racial story with her around; she can see a difference, but she doesn't feel one - I'd like to keep it that way.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:55 am

Jackdog, that was a very good post. You're very well spoken

Seriously, we may all disagree with the tactics, but the goal is the same: to try and move beyond racism and just be people. I think Martin Luther King's vision is still our best bet.

Badger_Fan · Post by **Badger_Fan** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:22 pm

pk500 wrote:
One, MSNBC and CBS have profited for more than a decade from Imus' colorful humor and racist remarks. They had no problem cashing in on them until now, when Jesse, Al and advertisers raised a ruckus.

For the networks, it's all about the bottom line. It's irritating as hell to hear these network execs say the decision was made because of taste issues, morals or because their employees were outraged.

That has NOTHING to do with it; it has everything to do with advertiser dollars.

Let me ask you this question. If CBS Radio had come out and said that they fired Imus because he was no longer going to be a profitable show with advertisers pulling out left and right would you be ok with that?

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:34 pm

Badger_Fan wrote:Let me ask you this question. If CBS Radio had come out and said that they fired Imus because he was no longer going to be a profitable show with advertisers pulling out left and right would you be ok with that?

Of course, because it would have been the truth. I still would have thought CBS Radio execs were a pack of weasels, but at least they would be honest weasels instead of hiding their horror about losing advertiser dollars behind the veil of supposed outrage of their employees.

Take care,
PK

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:15 pm

Badger_Fan wrote:Let me ask you this question. If CBS Radio had come out and said that they fired Imus because he was no longer going to be a profitable show with advertisers pulling out left and right would you be ok with that?

Isn't that how everyone gets fired? As soon as you can't provide a company with services and/or income, you become worthless to them. Had CBS said that, hell yes it would be different and it would be okay with most of the general public if you took a survey on the matter.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:39 pm

Another response to the Imus issue...sort of. Just throwing it out there. I think Boyd's (ESPN's Page Two) views on hip hop are a bit ridiculous but that is just my opinion. I think he is wearing "rose colored glasses" to tell you the truth. His comparison of Sharpton to an "ambulance chaser" is spot on though.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... d=tab6pos1

Badger_Fan · Post by **Badger_Fan** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:12 pm

I work at CBS Radio and personally thought that it was handled wrong. In my view they needed to do things in one of two ways:

1. If you are going to claim a moral basis for the firing you either needed to fire him immediately or suspend him indefinitely pending an investigation. Suspending him for two weeks makes it seem like that is the punishment.

2. If you are going to fire him the way you did you need to be honest and say that the motives were based on business decisions. Like PK said, people might not necessarily agree with the decision but would have to respect the honesty.

An internal email from Moonves cited the response from within the company as one of the major reasons for the firing. I'm not sure if that's the case, but that was what was said.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:27 pm

Badger_Fan wrote:An internal email from Moonves cited the response from within the company as one of the major reasons for the firing. I'm not sure if that's the case, but that was what was said.

Of course it was. It was a convenient out for Moonves and the CBS Radio brass to make them appear sensitive to minorities and to toe the politically correct yet hypocritical agenda fronted by Sharpton and Jackson.

Moonves dropped the ax on Imus because of advertiser pressure -- no other reason. It's not like Imus started making racial remarks Wednesday, April 4, but Moonves and CBS haven't encountered such significant corporate backlash from Imus' previous remarks.

So the money talked, and Lovely Les sent the I Man for a walk. Anyone with half a brain could figure that out.

This had ZERO to do with racism for CBS; it had EVERYTHING to do with money. Here's the theme song for CBS and MSNBC in this entire affair:

Take care,
PK

bdunn13 · Post by **bdunn13** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:17 pm

Jesse Jackson is suppose to be a few miles from my house protesting now. A local radio personality called the girl in the Duke lacrosse case a nappy headed ho. Of course this person is white and has the nappiest hair I have ever seen(not that either matters).

I have passed the protectors everyday coming home from work this week. I have no problem with people protesting but damn, protest something that matters.

Edit:

Its in front of the local Beasley Broadcast office.... and as most know, they have deep pockets.