MLB07-The Show vs. MLB2K7

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:43 pm

I'd say it's a draw right now. If I didn't have a PSP, I'd probably stick with the Show for the season on the PS2...but since I do, I can have the best of both worlds.

From a game play standpoint, the Show wins...from a fit/finish standpoint, 2k7 wins. So why not play both? Fence straddlers unite!

matthewk · Post by **matthewk** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:04 pm

Since I don't have a 360, I'm straddling the fence between the Show on PSP and MVP on the Xbox. For some reason, MLB '07 just hasn't clicked with me yet. I'm still running back to MVP almost every night.

Can I still unite?

Sudz · Post by **Sudz** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:13 pm

i have an old ps2 now.

is it worth it to get the show?

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:24 pm

Sudz wrote:i have an old ps2 now.

is it worth it to get the show?

I'm going to pick it up tonight on the way home as I have a ps2 as well and plenty of old ps2 games to trade in.

I'm going to see what The Show has to offer this year, I feel I should at least check it out as I did play the heck out of it last year.. sucks the franchise and season modes are fubared!

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:38 pm

I've done a complete 180. I haven't played the show in 2 days and have gone absolutely 2K centric.

Once you get the controls down and understand all the new features, it's really fun to play. The show is probably still the better all around game, but 2k is just more fun for me right now.

matthewk · Post by **matthewk** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:47 pm

For those playing 2k7 a lot, how does it compare to MVP (Xbox) in terms of gameplay and AI?

I know the graphics will be vastly different, but MVP has a load of "little things" during games that have kept it fresh. Things like bobbles, realistic looking errors, and CPU runners getting thrown out from time to time make every game of MVP feel different. I'm curious how much of this is found in 2k7. The AI is not perfect in MVP, but it overall it makes smart moves. Does the CPU in 2k7 generally play smart?

I've read of the lineup issues in franchise. I'm ok with Beltran leading off, because he has speed and a good OBP. I'm more concerned with injured players never making it back into the starting lineups.

2k7 is close to being the game that tips me over into getting a 360. If not, I'll wait until All Pro football arrives.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:13 pm

MVP has much better fielding, but once you get use to 2k7's fielding angle, it's not that big of a deal.

Hitting wise on Classic, it's exactly the same as MVP. I like the Zone hitting better in games like HH and The Show, but I don't mind MVP Style batting interface any longer due to this game.

The variety of games you get in 2k7 is very much MVP like also plus that if you make a wrong pitch, the cpu will make you pay like it did in mvp.

Best way to put it is 2k7 is more like MVP whereas The Show is more like High Heat.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:00 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Best way to put it is 2k7 is more like MVP whereas The Show is more like High Heat.

I agree with this assesment. Played a few The Show games on the ps2 today and it really feels like HH once again, just like last year... which is a good thing. MLB reminds me of MVP big time, except for the fielding of course.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:42 pm

playing both games right now....

Lets just talk hitting for now....

The zone hitting system is more rewarding than 2K7's timing based system. When you use the analoh hitting and just pull back and release to hit, it seems random as to where the ball is hit. In The Show, you feel more in control of the direction you hit the ball. Also, The Show lets you guess pitch type AND location, where in 2K7, you can only guess location.
The pitcher/hitter duels in The Show are much more intense than 2K7. More fouled off pitches and more deep counts. Both games seem to yield high home run mumbers, but The Show has much more hit variety.

Summary:

The Show

Pros:
-great hit variety
-great pitcher/hitter battles
-more control over hit zones
-can guess location AND type
-beautiful batted ball trajectory

Cons:
-button pressing to hit is behind the times

MLB2K7

Pros:
-swing stick is FUN to hit with
-good pitch speed make hitting challenging
-hitters eye is great for guessing location
-power swing w/ direction is great for pulling a pitch into the bleachers

Cons
-mostly just timing based....easy to make contact if you just time your swing
-not many deep counts
-very few foul balls
-lots of HR's and singles...few extra base hits
-swing stick has a bit of lag...you have to swing very early

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:07 am

I've been playing both of these games all day today.

I'm happy with the way the show plays on all star defaults, but on a TV set, the game isn't even on the same planet as MLB 2k7.

I'm determined to do something I hate and that is mess with sliders for MLB 2k7 to make it a game I want to play a full season on.

Sure, The Show plays a great game of baseball, but MLB 2k7 still pulls me into its world - flaws and all.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:14 am

I'm having fun with 2k7 now and will probably play it the majority of time in my living room. The Show I will play in my bedroom , it's one of those games I will play right before I go to sleep.

I'll do franchises in both games. The only thing that bugs me about the show is the stutter and the graphics when compared to last year. But these are just minor issues.

Overall, I'm just having a ton of fun with 2k7. It'll be fun playing both games since they play so different.

It's like having HH02 and MVP05 again.

Slumberland · Post by **Slumberland** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:58 am

JackB1 wrote:-can guess location AND type

Just wanted to add my two cents and say that just because nothing lights up and goes ding-ding in 2K7, you can still (and in my case MUST) guess pitch type. But then again most people seem to be having an easier time of hitting with the swing stick than I am.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:28 am

good point. you don't get a "stat boost" for guessing right, just a better shot at hitting the pitch. The key with the swing stick is finding the pitch speed that works best for you. I backed it off one click from default for Allstar and that works great for me. You need a fast enough speed that you can can pull a fastball if you guess right and if you guess fastball and you get a changeup, you will be way out in front.

Slumberland wrote:
JackB1 wrote:-can guess location AND type
Just wanted to add my two cents and say that just because nothing lights up and goes ding-ding in 2K7, you can still (and in my case MUST) guess pitch type. But then again most people seem to be having an easier time of hitting with the swing stick than I am.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:51 pm

2K7 gets a Con for being timing based, isn't the Show timing based?

also i totally disgaree if you get the timing right you automatically get a hit, I have seen many times where my timing was perfect and I've swung through the pitch, especially when the slider for hitting good pitchers is raised.

AJColossal · Post by **AJColossal** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:52 pm

Not much of a slider maniac, but I wanted to give another thumbs-up to Pared's HoF sliders at OS. For those that think it's too easy to hit, give those a whirl. I'm struggling to hit .250 in the first 5 games of the season.

Stats look great, and the games are really challenging. Made a great game even greater.

Badgun · Post by **Badgun** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:51 am

dbdynsty25 wrote:I'd say it's a draw right now. If I didn't have a PSP, I'd probably stick with the Show for the season on the PS2...but since I do, I can have the best of both worlds.

From a game play standpoint, the Show wins...from a fit/finish standpoint, 2k7 wins. So why not play both? Fence straddlers unite!

That's what I'm gonna do. I bought MLB 2K7 just as a filler until The Show comes out in late April for PS3. I've wound up falling in love with 2K7 so I'm just gonna play 'em both.

Badgun · Post by **Badgun** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:58 am

JackB1 wrote:playing both games right now....

Lets just talk hitting for now....

The zone hitting system is more rewarding than 2K7's timing based system. When you use the analoh hitting and just pull back and release to hit, it seems random as to where the ball is hit. In The Show, you feel more in control of the direction you hit the ball. Also, The Show lets you guess pitch type AND location, where in 2K7, you can only guess location.
The pitcher/hitter duels in The Show are much more intense than 2K7. More fouled off pitches and more deep counts. Both games seem to yield high home run mumbers, but The Show has much more hit variety.

Summary:

The Show

Pros:
-great hit variety
-great pitcher/hitter battles
-more control over hit zones
-can guess location AND type
-beautiful batted ball trajectory

Cons:
-button pressing to hit is behind the times

MLB2K7

Pros:
-swing stick is FUN to hit with
-good pitch speed make hitting challenging
-hitters eye is great for guessing location
-power swing w/ direction is great for pulling a pitch into the bleachers

Cons
-mostly just timing based....easy to make contact if you just time your swing
-not many deep counts
-very few foul balls
-lots of HR's and singles...few extra base hits
-swing stick has a bit of lag...you have to swing very early

Well Jack, your only con with The Show was button hitting is so behind the times. For me, swing stick hitting is such a gimmick and I'd rather hit with buttons any day than try to learn a new gimmick.

As a matter of fact, I'd go as far to say that the day they make swing stick hitting the only option will be the day I quit buying baseball games. But that really goes for any sports game...you start making me use the stick to throw with in Madden or to shoot with in NBA 2K series, then I am done with those games.

It's nice that they give you the option to use the stick for those that want to, but the day it's no longer an option, I am done.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:25 am

The Show is timing AND location (for the upper difficulty levels).
You have to move the left stick towards the pitch to have success.
The hitting engine in The Show is far more advanced than the one
in 2K7. The more games I play, the more apparant this is. I have
hit HR's down the left field line on low outside pitches. You would never
see that in The Show, MVP05 or High Heat for that matter.

Danimal wrote:2K7 gets a Con for being timing based, isn't the Show timing based?

also i totally disgaree if you get the timing right you automatically get a hit, I have seen many times where my timing was perfect and I've swung through the pitch, especially when the slider for hitting good pitchers is raised.

webdanzer · Post by **webdanzer** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:57 am

At the moment it looks like I will be keeping both baseball titles. The Show plays a much better game of baseball out of the box by a long shot, and does user-issued walks the best I've seen in a while.

2k7 has a more enjoyable pitching (by a lot) and hitting (by a little) interface in my option, though, and right now it plays just enough real baseball for my tastes.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:14 pm

webdanzer wrote:At the moment it looks like I will be keeping both baseball titles. The Show plays a much better game of baseball out of the box by a long shot, and does user-issued walks the best I've seen in a while.

2k7 has a more enjoyable pitching (by a lot) and hitting (by a little) interface in my option, though, and right now it plays just enough real baseball for my tastes.

Yeah, for now I think I'll keep both as well.

spooky157 · Post by **spooky157** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:20 pm

JackB1 wrote:The hitting engine in The Show is far more advanced than the one
in 2K7. The more games I play, the more apparant this is. I have
hit HR's down the left field line on low outside pitches. You would never
see that in The Show, MVP05 or High Heat for that matter.

I always thought down and away was a little too money in the MVP series. But what is wrong with hitting a HR on a down and away pitch? Granted it doesn't happen often but it's not completely impossible. I haven't played the Show 07 but in 06, I used to pull those down and away pitches for homers.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:28 pm

There just doesn't seem to be a direct correlation In 2K7, between where the pitch is and how difficult it is to hit it to different parts of the field. You can hit a low inside pitch to right field and a high outside pitch down the 3rd base line....both with the same amount of ease. Granted, these things happen sometimes, but it shouldn't happen that easily.

spooky157 wrote:
JackB1 wrote:The hitting engine in The Show is far more advanced than the one
in 2K7. The more games I play, the more apparant this is. I have
hit HR's down the left field line on low outside pitches. You would never
see that in The Show, MVP05 or High Heat for that matter.
I always thought down and away was a little too money in the MVP series. But what is wrong with hitting a HR on a down and away pitch? Granted it doesn't happen often but it's not completely impossible. I haven't played the Show 07 but in 06, I used to pull those down and away pitches for homers.

spooky157 · Post by **spooky157** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:43 pm

JackB1 wrote:There just doesn't seem to be a direct correlation In 2K7, between where the pitch is and how difficult it is to hit it to different parts of the field. You can hit a low inside pitch to right field and a high outside pitch down the 3rd base line....both with the same amount of ease. Granted, these things happen sometimes, but it shouldn't happen that easily.

Yeah, i think there's some truth to that. The one thing that I always thought MVP did best was ball-off-the-bat physics. I hope they tighten this up for 2K8 but for now, I can live with it and doesn't detract from the fun.

I thought there were some weird batted ball physics in the Show 06 too. For some reason I could never hit consistently to the opposite field and keep it fair. I did hit a lot of foul balls the other way though.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:51 pm

JackB1 wrote:There just doesn't seem to be a direct correlation In 2K7, between where the pitch is and how difficult it is to hit it to different parts of the field. You can hit a low inside pitch to right field and a high outside pitch down the 3rd base line....both with the same amount of ease. Granted, these things happen sometimes, but it shouldn't happen that easily.

spooky157 wrote:
JackB1 wrote:The hitting engine in The Show is far more advanced than the one
in 2K7. The more games I play, the more apparant this is. I have
hit HR's down the left field line on low outside pitches. You would never
see that in The Show, MVP05 or High Heat for that matter.
I always thought down and away was a little too money in the MVP series. But what is wrong with hitting a HR on a down and away pitch? Granted it doesn't happen often but it's not completely impossible. I haven't played the Show 07 but in 06, I used to pull those down and away pitches for homers.

Exactly. This is why I really don't find anything appealing about 2K7. Other than being very pretty its a mediocre title. Playing the show last night I was getting sawed off, hitting dinkers over the infield and taking outside pitches the other way...like it should be. I just find The Show to be one hell of a game. Its pitcher/batter interface, which is the bread and butter of any baseball game, is the best IMO.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:40 pm

Diablo25 wrote:
JackB1 wrote:There just doesn't seem to be a direct correlation In 2K7, between where the pitch is and how difficult it is to hit it to different parts of the field. You can hit a low inside pitch to right field and a high outside pitch down the 3rd base line....both with the same amount of ease. Granted, these things happen sometimes, but it shouldn't happen that easily.

spooky157 wrote: I always thought down and away was a little too money in the MVP series. But what is wrong with hitting a HR on a down and away pitch? Granted it doesn't happen often but it's not completely impossible. I haven't played the Show 07 but in 06, I used to pull those down and away pitches for homers.
Exactly. This is why I really don't find anything appealing about 2K7. Other than being very pretty its a mediocre title. Playing the show last night I was getting sawed off, hitting dinkers over the infield and taking outside pitches the other way...like it should be. I just find The Show to be one hell of a game. Its pitcher/batter interface, which is the bread and butter of any baseball game, is the best IMO.

The broken franchise mode is quite depressing though... but it does play well.