PS3 Impressions Yes Another One....

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:41 pm

I remember when the hype for this game was through the roof. I was a bit envious I wasn't going to be able to play this game. The wheels sure are falling off the PS3 rather quickly.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/fun.games/ ... index.html

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:52 pm

Wow, framerate problems, and it's not an EA game. Plus this is a port from the Xbox 360. Did the 360 version of Blazing Angels have framerate issues?

Interesting.

Take care,
PK

black_dynamite · Post by **black_dynamite** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:24 pm

I think it's still too early to write off the PS3 right now. Often enough from what you are hearing on the internet is the PS3 is a failure, it's overstating what it could do, XBOX 360 games can do more, etc. While I agree right now the 360 is definitely looking real good right now but we have to all remember that the PS3 has only been out for two months. I think it's way too early for everybody to be expecting the PS3 to outdo the 360 right now considering that the 360 has been out in the market for over a year.

Does this excuse Sony? Of course it doesn't. Sony brought all of this on themselves by overstating the PS3 was going to show the 360 how to properly handle a world wide launch (and of course we all know how that worked out), they promised more units would be available for their launch than for the 360 (again we all know how that turned out), and games that would be better than what is available for the 360 (and yet again we all know how that turned out). With Sony it's been one unfulfilled promise after another and for now Sony just needs to shut up.

I purchased a PS3 knowing full well that the real titles wouldn't be arriving until later in 2007. There are many others that are expecting so much right now but remember the console is only two months old. After a year then we can make a better assessment as to how the PS3 is faring. You can't say too much about the PS3 when it's only been out for two months.

tjung0831 · Post by **tjung0831** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:11 pm

sportdan30 wrote:I remember when the hype for this game was through the roof. I was a bit envious I wasn't going to be able to play this game. The wheels sure are falling off the PS3 rather quickly.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/fun.games/ ... index.html

The article say Blazing Angels performs better on the PS3 than it does on the 360 so why would the wheels be falling off?

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:13 pm

tjung0831 wrote:
sportdan30 wrote:I remember when the hype for this game was through the roof. I was a bit envious I wasn't going to be able to play this game. The wheels sure are falling off the PS3 rather quickly.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/fun.games/ ... index.html
The article say Blazing Angels performs better on the PS3 than it does on the 360 so why would the wheels be falling off?

Lack of the rumble feature and poor frame rates really hurt this game from excelling.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:56 pm

System Update firmware 1.50 is now out.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/758/758306p1.html

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:21 pm

sportdan30 wrote: Lack of the rumble feature and poor frame rates really hurt this game from excelling.

I think rumble is over rated. Then again I prefer a 360 controller because I dont have small hands.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:15 am

The above mentioned update cleans up PS2 games on the PS3. One thing that is great is that MLB06: The Show now plays very smoothly on the PS3. Prior to the 1.50 update I had a very noticeable amount of lag/delay when pitching and swinging. It wasn't the PS3 so much as my Samsung HDTV. I had the same problem with The Show on the PS2. This update does a nice job fixing that problem. I'm guessing the PS3 is upscaling or something. I must use "Game Mode" on my TV but now it actually works. Good Stuff.

The Fixes:

* Users
o You can now select an image to use as the User icon from [Photo].
* Settings
o [Key Tone] has been added as an option under [Sound Settings].
o [Delete Backup Data] has been added as an option under [System Settings] > [Backup Utility].
o WEP 128, WPA-PSK (TKIP) and WPA-PSK (AES) have been added as security methods that can be used with [AOSS™] under [Automatic].*
* If you have already set up for AOSS using an earlier version of the system software, you must perform AOSS setup again to use the security methods listed above.
* When [Automatic] is selected, the security method to be used is automatically set.
* AOSS is a trademark of Buffalo, Inc.
* Friends
o The method for saving your password / signing in automatically under PLAYSTATION®Network has been changed. There are now two separate options.

* Other
o You can now enter text in Korean using the on-screen keyboard.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:24 am

From what I've read just about everywhere, there is absolutely no upscaling of PS2 games.

kevinpars · Post by **kevinpars** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:25 am

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com ... /gilthorp/

When the PS3 gets mentioned in Gil Thorp, it tells me that despite the head start, the great games and the price difference, the 360 has failed to win the hearts and minds of American gamers. Game over - PS3 is the winner.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:17 am

Danimal wrote:From what I've read just about everywhere, there is absolutely no upscaling of PS2 games.

I guess the word "upscaling" isn't appropriate but there is noticeable improvement in the game. IGN has a nice video showing the graphical differences after the update. I'd link it but I'm at work and can't access IGN on my work network.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:36 am

IGN editors list most-anticipated PS3 games for 2007.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/757/757265p1.html

Lot of multiplatform games, some download games and oddly, PS3-exclusives don't place so high on these lists.

Even odder, God of War II is high on the lists. May turn out to be a great game but it's either a testament to backwards-compatibility or perhaps an indictment of the PS3 games scheduled to be released that a PS2 game appears on these lists.

backbreaker · Post by **backbreaker** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:13 pm

wco81 wrote:IGN editors list most-anticipated PS3 games for 2007.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/757/757265p1.html

Lot of multiplatform games, some download games and oddly, PS3-exclusives don't place so high on these lists.

Even odder, God of War II is high on the lists. May turn out to be a great game but it's either a testament to backwards-compatibility or perhaps an indictment of the PS3 games scheduled to be released that a PS2 game appears on these lists.

You have to also remember, sony embargo and NDA's prevents any info on games. So most of these sites don't have any info on PS3 games except for multi-platform games. So chalk that list up to, we don't have info on Heavenly Sword, WarHawk, Lair, 8 days, getaway, ect...

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:13 pm

Diablo25 wrote:
Danimal wrote:From what I've read just about everywhere, there is absolutely no upscaling of PS2 games.
I guess the word "upscaling" isn't appropriate but there is noticeable improvement in the game. IGN has a nice video showing the graphical differences after the update. I'd link it but I'm at work and can't access IGN on my work network.

I think what your noting as an improvement is actually the correction of an error in the system that caused PS2 games to play at bad frame rates and have terrible jaggies. Again this is just waht I've read, but the recent fix basically just got the PS2 chip inside your PS3 to actually function like a PS2.

Upscaling from my understanding is improving the games from 480p to 720p etc. Either way it's good that PS3 owners who have a largew PS2 library or are looking forward to upcoming PS2 games like GOW2 can actually play them no with no problems.

RallyMonkey · Post by **RallyMonkey** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:19 pm

To all PS3 owners,

For multiple reasons, many of which i belive hinge on the ridiculous philosophy of just wanting "the newest thing" i find myself being drawn to the PS3 even with all the poor reviews and controversy. My questions are simply this, and i ask that you reply in a PM so as not to clutter this thread up answering my selfish question:

1) To those with a 360 and a PS3, which do you enjoy more? If you are a low to moderate level online gamer would you miss the 360's abilities in this realm? In single player alone which do you prefer?

2) If you had the current knowledge of both systems and both were being released at the same price point today, which would you choose and why?

I think i am as much trying to talk myself OUT of this want as i am INto it so please be as candid as possible. Thanks.

Spooky · Post by **Spooky** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:47 pm

RallyMonkey wrote:To all PS3 owners,

For multiple reasons, many of which i belive hinge on the ridiculous philosophy of just wanting "the newest thing" i find myself being drawn to the PS3 even with all the poor reviews and controversy. My questions are simply this, and i ask that you reply in a PM so as not to clutter this thread up answering my selfish question:

1) To those with a 360 and a PS3, which do you enjoy more? If you are a low to moderate level online gamer would you miss the 360's abilities in this realm? In single player alone which do you prefer?

2) If you had the current knowledge of both systems and both were being released at the same price point today, which would you choose and why?

I think i am as much trying to talk myself OUT of this want as i am INto it so please be as candid as possible. Thanks.

Hell..I'll say it jhere for everyone to see...

IMO, there is absolutely NO reason to get a PS3 at this point (if at all ever). Just yesterday I was very seriously contemplating returning mine. The only reason I am keeping it is that I already traded in and returned a bunch of stuff to get it for $100 and it has replaced my old DVD player as the main DVD player in our main TV room. I do like the Blu-Ray aspect of it too.

As a gaming machine it is a TOTAL waste and complete letdown IF you are already a 360 owner. And if you are not a 360 owner, why the hell would you want this thing over that???? The games that are on both systems ALL have been proven to run and even look better on the 360. All the other PS3 exclusive games basically suck with the exception of Resistance (which is very fun, especially online but I can only game with complete random so much).

This launch is absolutely pitiful. To come out a full year later than the 360 and at $200 more, what the hell are we getting!?!?! Not much at all. It’s funny to observe all the Sony fanboys sh*t talking and hype completely come to a halt now that the system has been out for a couple months and it basically sucks right now. Even at our store…we used to have customers coming in right around launch trying to sell others on how this was going to blow away the 360. Then when we got in our PS3 kiosk the buzz and hype continued with people even saying how the graphics looked so much better than the 360’s. Now, we have not even turned on our PS3 kiosk in about a month and not one person has asked if they could try it out when I’ve been there…NOT ONE! We have 5 PS3’s sitting on the shelf since 3 weeks ago too.

How could even the biggest Sony/PS3 fan defend this launch at this point? I’d love to hear their argument. Kaz…?

• The online component is a joke.

• The games right now are worthless if you already have a 360.

• The Blu-Ray aspect is nice, but not necessarily $600 nice.

• The controller kinda sucks (feels lightweight and cheap and I am not digging the back triggers at all).

• The lack of rumble is lame and noticeable.

• The rumors of no force feedback for any games with any peripherals is TOTALLY unacceptable.

• The list of upcoming PS3 exclusive games is completely unimpressive (as a whole – Lair and a couple others look intriguing).

What else would you like to know about?

In the end I am going to keep mine and am actually looking forward to playing some neat exclusive games by the end of this year, but to go out and pay a full $600 for one now would be totally useless IMO. It’s too bad too. I’d love to be able to get some DSP multiplayer stuff going with some of the exclusives but there is not nearly enough of us to do that successfully, and with good reason.

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:12 pm

I am using my PS3 currently more for the Blu-ray movies than the games. Mind you, I only own Resistance, which I enjoy, but I mostly bought it for the Blu-ray feature and when it comes to games, the exclusivity for MLB 07, Killzone 2, GT5 and MSG.

Right now, the 360 has a great shooter variety which keeps me busy, so when it comes to gaming, it's xbox first.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:24 pm

10spro wrote:I am using my PS3 currently more for the Blu-ray movies than the games. Mind you, I only own Resistance, which I enjoy, but I mostly bought it for the Blu-ray feature and when it comes to games, the exclusivity for MLB 07, Killzone 2, GT5 and MSG.

Right now, the 360 has a great shooter variety which keeps me busy, so when it comes to gaming, it's xbox first.

Ditto.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:24 pm

IMO this is about as rock bottom as you can get for the PS3, so there really is no where to go but up at this point. My reasoning for this:

1. When you ship a million untis by end of year of your new hot system and you sell just short of 700k, it is not feasible in my mind to use the "supply shortage" excuse anymore.

2. When as an owner, your biggest piece of good news since launch is that Sony released a fix so the PS2 chip (it blows my mind how this even slipped through) actually works correctly so now you can play all your PS2 games on your new $600 system. You're pretty much reaching for any reason to be happy.

3. It's not a good sign when multi-platform releaseS continued to get delayed for the PS3, to me that signals a diffcult environment to develope for.

Seriously can it get any worse at this point? The main thing you hear from PS3 owners is that its a great Blue Ray player, or that is its main use at this point. Well isn't this what Sony wanted by including the player?

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:49 pm

Most of the points cited are subjective. Only you can decide what how much weight you give to features where X360 is stronger versus features where PS3 is stronger.

For instance, on the online component, yes I agree they need a lot of work to make it more useful. In particular, when I'm online in Madden, I see little icons when some of my friends log in or off but I can't IM them from within Madden. That is apparently due to the fact that Sony didn't have some Playstation Network libraries ready when these launch games were made. I believe that is suppose to change.

But for me, if it didn't, it wouldn't be the end of the world. I arrange games by AIM so it doesn't impede me from contacting people. XBL obviously has a nice messaging system but I'm not going to pay $60 for it.

Another example is the release list. I have absolutely no interest in first-person shooters or RPGs so games like Halo, Gears of War, Unreal Tournament, Oblivion and Final Fantasy mean nothing to me. But Motorstorm, with its physics-heavy animations is much more interesting. Heavenly Sword is also more interesting to me because it appears to be a God of War kind of game (some call it Goddess of War), again with lot of physics and cutting-edge graphics.

Not really sure about Lair or MGS4 (didn't really take to MGS2) but Warhawk looks interesting, if you have a free-form world to fly around in (that was the case with the original Warhawk).

Also look forward eventually to God of War 3 and whatever the next thing the Ico/Shadow of the Colossus team comes up with.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:54 pm

Maybe George W. Bush should buy a PS3. Misery loves company.

Take care,
PK

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:16 pm

As far as when to buy or not buy, there's a lot of talk about price cuts and such at some point this year for both X360 and PS3. Both are expected to have big cost-reductions, which MS and Sony may elect to pass on in the form of lower prices.

I don't think the PS3 situation is as dire as it's made out to be. I haven't really looked in the last month but I'm not seeing big stacks of them in my area as reported elsewhere. They still have the Euro launch coming up where they appear to have a much robust game lineup. They're charging 425 pounds though in the UK but some Europeans have said they paid 599 euros for the PS2 6 years ago.

Certainly most of the big game titles are targeted for the last quarter. That along with the possibility of price cuts probably makes a good argument for waiting.

Only other possibility is if you buy a bigscreen in the next month (lot of promos for SB) and you want to watch Blu-Ray movies -- I saw a 46-inch Samsung 1080p LCD for $2000!

PS3 has gotten good reviews as a high-def movie player and if you look around AVS Forums and some other sites, the release list of Blu-Ray movies appear to be much better than the HD-DVD release list.

BigAl · Post by **BigAl** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:51 pm

wco81 wrote: I don't think the PS3 situation is as dire as it's made out to be.

Except that, like everyone else that has one here, you're saying it's a nice DVD player and there might be some interesting games out by the end of the year. That's not a disaster?

Hey, at least it can play PS2 games now.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:22 pm

I was talking about the sales rate.

Despite not having games and despite having two competitors, one of which has a hot product selling for half or less than half the price of the PS3, they've moved a good number of units.

Better than the PS2 at the same point after launch.

BigAl · Post by **BigAl** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:36 pm

wco81 wrote:I was talking about the sales rate.

That's great, but Sony could have built a flaming turd, slapped a PS3 label on it, and sold close to 1M units to their loyal base that will buy anything that says Sony on it.

The question is, how they going to sell the next 10M to the people that aren't blindly loyal? Those folks are all buying the Wii right now and not giving a second thought to the PS3.