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pk500 wrote:and I wouldn't be surprised to see games like Meteos, Mario Kart and more move to the Wii.

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Mario Kart a port from the DS :?: Nintendo's properties have always been hevily exploited across all of their platforms, from the Mario Bros. games, Zelda, Metroid, Mario Golf, etc. Wario Ware is about the only game that was originated for the handhelds and shows up on a home platform, though i guess Trauma Center and Brain Age are following suit.

With Nintendo, it's not about porting one way or the other, its about making different games specific to the platform, but based on the same property. If that's changed with the Wii, I'd be disappointed and surprised.
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Yeah, you're right, Zep. I fell out of the Nintendosphere in 1993 when I sold my GameBoy. I owned an NES from 1988-91 and a GameBoy in 92-93.

I didn't return to Nintendoland until I got a DS a few weeks ago.

I don't mind the franchises being continued on the Wii, but I hope they have different gameplay wrinkles, levels, characters, etc., than their counterparts on the DS.

Straight ports suck.

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I agree with Time, the PS3 is disappointing and there is really no reason for the casual consumer to buy it. It is expensive and the Blu-Ray drive in the PS3 is slow and will be inferior compared to future Blu-Ray players. Most of the the multi platform games look worse on the PS3 and the online service is free but not much improved. Sony also really does not have a big exclusive games advantage anymore.


Remember when the XBOX came out and the launch games looked head and shoulders better than the PS2 games available at that time. The same is not true for the PS3 launch games compared to XBOX 360 games out now.
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Well, that's just it...as a GAME MACHINE, Sony hasn't proved that the cost difference is justified. The hardware isn't even being reviewed as potentially significantly more powerful than the 360.

So it comes down to 2 things: blu-ray and hype. Sony is relying on past history and hype more than the actual hardware at this point.

The fact that it's nearly impossible to get a PS3 makes otherwise rational people feel that they MUST have one. The same is true to a lesser extent with the Wii.

As far as the 360 goes, they are plentiful on shelves, but they are "soooo last year". So it's not as 'cool' to get a 360, even if it's every bit as capable and has a better game selection than the ps3.

Moral of this whole thread: People are sheep.

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Talk about premature judgements. Time wanted to have something to fill up their top 5 list and they might as well go with the console hype.

The values of these consoles won't be determined just a month after the launch of the PS3 and Wii. It won't even be determined a year from now, even though there will be many exclusives released for each system and there may be a price cut (or a price war if we're lucky).

This thing with sequels and emphasizing graphics isn't anything new. Almost 20 years ago, Sega and Nintendo were dueling over 16-bit graphics (actually processors) and blast processing versus whatever Nintendo was using as its made-up technical term.

Sequels have been with us for almost that long, as games sold in the millions back then and game companies started to manage "franchises." Of course you get sequels in movies too. That's just how content is managed these days.

Both MS and Sony are supporting "homebrew" initiatives so who knows, maybe smaller studios and garage developers can make some noise. I think downloads of mini games has some potential, as long as it's not a port of a game which has appeared elsewhere.

I just read that fLow is coming soon and that Factor 5 plans to do some mini games after they finish Lair, which will have taken them 2-3 years. So the developer welcomes a chance to decompress but still do something way less ambitious but creative.

I wouldn't mind seeing a mini version of Katamari Damacy or Viewtiful Joe, maybe with fewer levels than the retail version, but with higher-res graphics for under $10 for download.
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TRI wrote:I agree with Time, the PS3 is disappointing and there is really no reason for the casual consumer to buy it. It is expensive and the Blu-Ray drive in the PS3 is slow and will be inferior compared to future Blu-Ray players. Most of the the multi platform games look worse on the PS3 and the online service is free but not much improved. Sony also really does not have a big exclusive games advantage anymore.


Remember when the XBOX came out and the launch games looked head and shoulders better than the PS2 games available at that time. The same is not true for the PS3 launch games compared to XBOX 360 games out now.
I've sworn off the vs. and comparison thread, but I just wanted to reply too you about slow drive comment. The blu-ray drive in the PS3 is not slow, movies load very fast, Games load at a comparable rate with the 360, the blu-ray drive seeks info completely different from the way a conventional DVD drive seeks info, a good comparison would be that a 2speed blu-ray drive is on par with an 8 t0 12 speed DVD drive. It helps considerably that games are able to cache to the HDD.
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TR1 has been bagging on everything Sony and EA for years.

Don't mind him.
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backbreaker wrote:
I've sworn off the vs. and comparison thread, but I just wanted to reply too you about slow drive comment. The blu-ray drive in the PS3 is not slow, movies load very fast, Games load at a comparable rate with the 360, the blu-ray drive seeks info completely different from the way a conventional DVD drive seeks info, a good comparison would be that a 2speed blu-ray drive is on par with an 8 t0 12 speed DVD drive. It helps considerably that games are able to cache to the HDD.

Correct. Likewise, DVDs read at a variable speed, only a small portion of DVDs are read at maximum speed. Blu-Ray reads at a constand rate.

'The maximum read speed of a disc that is only half full on a
12x drive is only 12MBps compared to the drives maximum of 16.5MBps.

At 2x Blu-ray can read as fast as 12x DVD's minimum read speed. At just
3x Blu-ray is comparable to DVD at 12x; through the first half of the
disc 3x Blu-ray is faster, through the second half of the disc 12x DVD
is faster.
And at only 4x Blu-ray manages to best a 12x DVD's maximum read speed
by 9%."

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=6060[/url]


So saying which is faster is subjective. They both are faster than the other at certain times. Due to constant vs variable read speeds.
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think the article should focus on the whole next Gen as a bust. People aren't willing to spend this kind of money on what many parents perceive as a toy.
That is a great point, especially when you consider that the PS2 and the DS were the big sellers this year.

I have had the 360 for a year now, and I have enjoyed the games I have played, but with a few exceptions, I could have picked up a PS2 on the cheap and played games like Oblivion or F.E.A.R. on the PC. The best baseball and football games were probably current gen - I have not played The Show, but it would not be hard to beat 2K7, and NCAA was a better game on the xbox than on the 360.
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backbreaker wrote: I've sworn off the vs. and comparison thread, but I just wanted to reply too you about slow drive comment. The blu-ray drive in the PS3 is not slow, movies load very fast, Games load at a comparable rate with the 360, the blu-ray drive seeks info completely different from the way a conventional DVD drive seeks info, a good comparison would be that a 2speed blu-ray drive is on par with an 8 t0 12 speed DVD drive. It helps considerably that games are able to cache to the HDD.
I also have not noticed any speed difference between the 360 and PS3 when it's loading a game or movie, both are on par with each other.
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wco81 wrote:TR1 has been bagging on everything Sony and EA for years.

Don't mind him.
So I cannot even be critical when EA or Sony are arrogant and liars? I am not biased in favor or against any company and this goes for Microsoft, Sony, EA, Take Two, Ford, Bombadier, IBM, Toyota, or any other company. I simply call it like I see it. If I see ANY company as arrogant and boastful I am going to be rightly critical and will rebuke.


I actually enjoy NHL 2007 more than NHL 2K7 which makes your comment that I hate EA false. I have been critical but I strive not to be hateful.
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TRI wrote:
wco81 wrote:TR1 has been bagging on everything Sony and EA for years.

Don't mind him.
So I cannot even be critical when EA or Sony are arrogant and liars? I am not biased in favor or against any company and this goes for Microsoft, Sony, EA, Take Two, Ford, Bombadier, IBM, Toyota, or any other company. I simply call it like I see it. If I see ANY company as arrogant and boastful I am going to be rightly critical and will rebuke.


I actually enjoy NHL 2007 more than NHL 2K7 which makes your comment that I hate EA false. I have been critical but I strive not to be hateful.
Out of curiosity TRI, what makes you think that the Blu-Ray player in the PS3 is slow?
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TRI wrote:
wco81 wrote:TR1 has been bagging on everything Sony and EA for years.

Don't mind him.
So I cannot even be critical when EA or Sony are arrogant and liars? I am not biased in favor or against any company and this goes for Microsoft, Sony, EA, Take Two, Ford, Bombadier, IBM, Toyota, or any other company. I simply call it like I see it. If I see ANY company as arrogant and boastful I am going to be rightly critical and will rebuke.


I actually enjoy NHL 2007 more than NHL 2K7 which makes your comment that I hate EA false. I have been critical but I strive not to be hateful.
TR1 you and Time magazine are part of a new global conspiracy to destroy Sony.
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XXXIV wrote:TR1 you and Time magazine are part of a new global conspiracy to destroy Sony.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,12826 ... ticle.html

The conspiracy is getting larger...
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The PS3 also is No. 1 on Next Generation's list of Gaffes and Blunders for 2006:

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?optio ... mitstart=2

The conspiracy grows. Is Oliver Stone nearby? :)

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Wow, PS3 "sky is falling" articles. Such original, ground-breaking content. Is it possible for internet writers to win Pulitzer Prizes? These guys are shoo-ins... :wink:

I had a chance to buy a 60GB PS3 yesterday but decided to pass. Money isn't really a factor but I felt kinda silly about the prospect of having $1000 tied up in video games, having bought the 360 roughly a year ago. The PS3 has a pretty strong launch lineup, but only if you don't have a 360. The pull of Blu-Ray was the strongest thing, but even though I feel like Blu-Ray will probably win I'm not comfortable making a choice on that yet (I have also passed up many opportunities to buy the 360 add-on).

Even though I don't think it makes a big difference in the long run, I do see why M$ thought it was a good idea and was so desperate to try to launch first. If I could go back in time and get a do-over, I would un-do my 360 purchase and then buy that PS3, as the Sony library has always suited me far more than the 360's shooter box mentality. But a year ago, I had a new HDTV and wanted a cool toy for it. So now it's kind of entrenched in my home, I paid a lot of money for it that I don't want to lose in selling it off, and it's a good system. Now that the PS3 is out, it's something I'd like to have, but it's hard to justify the expense for two of these things (and that would be true even if it cost the same as the 360, which I consider to be very expensive at $400). So the 360 being first to the market has definitely worked on me, at least for now.
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VF5 no longer exclusive to PS3...As I've said before the hits keep on coming. Btw I purchased a ps3 that should arrive in about a week so my trolling can now be termed justified criticism. :wink:
SEGA ANNOUNCES VIRTUA FIGHTER 5 FOR XBOX 360

Premiere Fighting Game Franchise Makes First Appearance on Microsoft’s Next Generation Videogame Console

STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN (December 21, 2006) – SEGA of America, Inc. and SEGA Europe Ltd. today announced that the highly anticipated arcade fighting game, Virtua Fighter™ 5, will make its way onto the Xbox 360™ video game and entertainment system. Virtua Fighter™ 5 is scheduled for release on Xbox 360™ in North America and in Europe during late summer 2007. The game will also be available for the PLAYSTATION®3 computer entertainment system on February 20th, 2007 in North America and will be available in Europe simultaneously with the system’s launch in March 2007.

“Those people lucky enough to have already played Virtua Fighter™ 5 will know that it’s laid the foundations to become the clear benchmark for fighting games on all next generation consoles”, said Matt Woodley, Creative Director, SEGA Publishing Europe Ltd. “Bringing Virtua Fighter™ 5 to the Xbox 360™ offers us a platform with power to handle the astonishing visuals, the complex and varied fighting styles of all the customisable characters and will undoubtedly put Virtua Fighter™ 5 into the hands of a gaming audience craving for a highly polished and credible fighting game.”

Virtua Fighter™ 5 features beautifully detailed stages from around the world where players face off in fast-moving martial arts battles against one of 17 characters. Two lively new characters join the elite group of fighters, adding two new unique fighting styles for players to try and master. With more skill and strategy than ever before, players are also given the opportunity to learn and employ the new “Offensive Move” technique to take down their opponents from different angles, adding a new dimension to the game and something for both new and old fans to master. Virtua Fighter™ 5 also includes the ability to customise characters by selecting from four base costumes and a wide range of unlockable accessories and earnable items. As players win more tournaments they will not only earn costumes and accessories, but also prizes and in-game money that will allow them to buy items from the in-game shop.

“The Virtua Fighter™ series from SEGA has one of the most prestigious histories in video games,” said Jeff Bell, corporate vice president of global marketing for the Interactive Entertainment Business at Microsoft. “It’s a franchise that has grown an army of loyal fans both in arcades and on consoles worldwide, and is consistently rated extremely high by the media. Fighting game fans have been hungry for Virtua Fighter™ 5 and we can now proudly deliver this game with SEGA to Xbox 360 gamers around the world.”

Developed by the highly renowned Tokyo based development team, AM R&D Development No.2, Virtua Fighter™ 5 for the Xbox 360™ will be available across Europe and North America during late summer 2007.
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I also passed on one yesterday at Target, pretty much couldn't see the reason to spend money on another console at this point. The odd part about them being in the store yesterday was it was lunc time when I was there and they had 5 of them. They were on the shelves at opening, I guess people have given up hope on looking for them.
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Danimal wrote:I also passed on one yesterday at Target, pretty much couldn't see the reason to spend money on another console at this point. The odd part about them being in the store yesterday was it was lunc time when I was there and they had 5 of them. They were on the shelves at opening, I guess people have given up hope on looking for them.
They're becoming much more available coupled with the fact that people are realizing they aren't magical lottery tickets. I ordered mine online (and this one wasn't cancelled) but there are more reportings of people finding them in stores. You can even find some for reasonable prices on Ebay. Reality has emerged.
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Whether it's Blu-ray or HD-DVD that wins the format war, I find that movies are priced out of my reach for the moment. Depending on the title, $30-$35 a pop is quite steep to just watch better colors and clearer images IMO. In the end some CO's are thinking of making hybrid machines supporting both dics formats so we'll see. For those living north of the border, Best Buy is having a shipment of PS3's tomorrow.

Tempting but I am happy with my 360 and recently purchase HD player.

Has anyone tried R6 on the PS3 yet?
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I watch very few DVD movies as it stands now. The Blue Ray / HD-DVD war has aboslutely no impact on my purchasing decisions when it comes to these two consoles.

A guy came up to me at work on Monday and offered to sell me an unopened 60gb PS3 for retail. I turned it down. If SOCOM was out it might be a different story, but probably not still.

As far as R6 Vegas on the PS3, not out until after the new year I believe.
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10spro wrote:Whether it's Blu-ray or HD-DVD that wins the format war, I find that movies are priced out of my reach for the moment. Depending on the title, $30-$35 a pop is quite steep to just watch better colors and clearer images IMO.
Here are some Blu-Ray and HD-DVD titles on Amazon, most if not all of them under $30 and some just under $20:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_i_0/0 ... dvd&page=1

BTW, one of the criticisms of Blu-Ray is that it costs too much to produce, especially the dual-layer BD-50 disc, which allows studios to use much higher bitrates for audio and video. Black Hawk Down is considered one of the best Blu-Ray releases in terms of picture quality, using a dual-layer disc. Note that it's priced at $19.95 while many other Blu-Ray and HD-DVD titles (which are suppose to be much cheaper to produce) are priced higher.

Here is a good site for Blu-Ray and HD-DVD disc reviews, including such technical details like whether it's single or double-layer, which codecs are used, which surround sound formats are supported.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/
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Like I said earlier in this thread, the trailer for BHD is gorgeous. I was thinking about buying it for my new "show off" my rig title.

I have The ATL sitting at my house now in Blu-Ray from Netflix. I wonder if that will look decent.
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One thing that's strange though is that most of those downloaded trailers are encoded in AVC while BHD and some of the other movies are encoded in MPEG2.

Right now, they just don't have good tools for using AVC H.264 as they do for MPEG2. So it's easy for them to do a few clips but the moive is MPEG2.

Over time, this should change.

Disney just released Flight Plan on Blu Ray and it's using VC-1.

I don't buy that VC-1 and AVC are inherently superior to MPEG2. But the advanced codecs let the studios fit movies under 30 GB or 25 GB. MPEG2 is fine given a high enough bit rate. But then they have problems fitting it in a 25 GB disc or on a 50 GB disc for longer movies or including a lot of extras in HD.
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Even woot is jumping on the PS3 bashing (odd way to sell ps3's???):

http://www.woot.com/
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The controller – so easy! No more intricate push-this-twice, pull-that-three-times trickery, just easy waves of the hand. The console – so cute! It actually makes our gaming room look better, unlike the bulky, ugly consoles we could mention. How does Nintendo keep the price so low on that thing, anyway? And the games, good Lord, the games! Not to mention those adorable avatars. We’ve already created virtual versions of the entire staff, so we can beat each other virtually-bloody instead of actually-bloody, like we usually do. The only problem is that none of the nose options are as big as Jason’s actual nose. But that’s a minor quibble.

In fact, we love the Wii so much, we want to give a Wii to everybody on our payroll. To fund this Wii-for-the-People program, we're selling this Sony PlayStation 3. The SIXAXIS wireless controller is basically the same complicated gazillion-button-style controller you know from past PS models, but at least you won’t be fighting Grandma for gaming time. Along with the usual roster of ho-hum games, the PS3 can play CDs, DVDs, and Blu-Ray discs, and the 20GB hard drive can store music, videos, and music videos. It’s certainly, er, rather full-figured, for those of you who want a lot of heft for your money. And its HDMI capabilities give you polygons and frames-per-second out the wazoo, if you prefer that stuff to having fun.

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