wco81 wrote:Didn't you get Talledega Nights in the box?
I've downloaded some game and demo trailers. There are a bunch of game demos you can download. They take even longer than the updates so be prepared to start a 800 MB download and leave it for an hour.
Supposedly, DVD upscaling is coming in a software upgrade some time in the future.
I just plugged in a USB keyboard and voila, no texting input needed. People are plugging in wireless keyboards and mice and it just works.
Did not get the Talledega Nights movie. They are not shipping with that anymore.
Yep...for got to mention the LOOOOONG as download loads times. They have got to improve that.
Just to play devil's advocate, I don't think the download times are any longer than anything on Xbox Live. A 800 meg file is going to take a while on either system. Also remember that you're comparing a lot of these things to an interface and system that's had a year to grow.
Let's see where Sony is this time next year before we start throwing rocks at them. But I do agree with some of your points. If they could take care of upscaling dvds and downloading in the background, then I would be happy for awhile.
Bad,
With all due respect, there is no comparison. It takes me 15 - 20 minutes tops to download 1 GB on LIVE where it is taking me 1-2 hours to download 600-800 MB on PS3.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that the faster download times were the same at launch for 360 as they are now (maybe 5-10 minute difference). Still no where near the PS3 times.
Plus, I think I have earned every right to throw rocks at them after shelling out the equivalent of $600+. Remember, I am an owner now, not a X-Box fanboy.
Spooky wrote:
Did not get the Talledega Nights movie. They are not shipping with that anymore.
Yep...for got to mention the LOOOOONG as download loads times. They have got to improve that.
Just to play devil's advocate, I don't think the download times are any longer than anything on Xbox Live. A 800 meg file is going to take a while on either system. Also remember that you're comparing a lot of these things to an interface and system that's had a year to grow.
Let's see where Sony is this time next year before we start throwing rocks at them. But I do agree with some of your points. If they could take care of upscaling dvds and downloading in the background, then I would be happy for awhile.
Bad,
With all due respect, there is no comparison. It takes me 15 - 20 minutes tops to download 1 GB on LIVE where it is taking me 1-2 hours to download 600-800 MB on PS3.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that the faster download times were the same at launch for 360 as they are now (maybe 5-10 minute difference). Still no where near the PS3 times.
Plus, I think I have earned every right to throw rocks at them after shelling out the equivalent of $600+. Remember, I am an owner now, not a X-Box fanboy.
Well I downloaded Motorstorm in about 45 minutes and I think it was about 800 meg. You don't remember those 1 gig downloads on the Marketplace that took longer than that or even came to a standstill? I sure do. Only in the past few months have 360 downloads gotten anywhere near fast and I use that term loosely.
That said, it wouldn't surprise me if Sony didn't spend money on infrastructure and bandwidth, at least initially until they get an idea of how much usage there is of the Playstation Store.
Sony doesn't charge for access to the Store. I realize XBL Silver members don't have to pay either but it could be that Gold members are subsidizing some of the bandwidth costs.
I just let it download over night or while watching TV.
What I'd like to see are some third-party downloads, both movie trailers and demos. Or at least provide links so I can go to the EA servers and get their demos and trailers, if they're not too lazy to prepare some.
Or even better, let me download them off the browser at any web site and then load them into the right area of the XMB so that I could play them as if I downloaded them from the Playstation Store. I'm assuming this doesn't work so I assume they'd have to update the interface and access to various parts of the hard disk to allow this.
A bigger annoyance for me is that if you turn on the PS3 and don't have a disk in the drive, you go to the XMB and it defaults to some demo which is playing some loud music. You should be able to save which part of the XMB is active when you log in.
RandyM wrote:Throw those rocks, Spooky. Earned it , you have
I guess the #1 question I have --- is the PS3 one year more advanced than the 360???
It seems to me (based upon what I've read) that the two could easily have shipped at the same time.
Randy
Blu-Ray wasn't ready a year ago. Now you can argue that Blu-Ray ultimately won't matter to gaming but it's now moot, Blu-Ray is part of the PS3 design and Sony is taking their lumps for incurring the greater costs and the delays associated with Blu-Ray.
Cell has greater potential than the Xenon CPU but that potential may not get tapped outside of exclusives. We wouldn't expect EA to tap that potential either. Maybe Unreal Engine will.
RSX was supposedly taped out a year before launch if not longer. If that is true, they should have tried to get a later GPU design from nVidia. Maybe more RAM too.
People who buy the PS3 can only hope that later in the cycle, there will be games which people didn't think PS3 could run, like God of War, GT4 (with 1080i mode) and Shadow of the Colussus (with certain effects) surprised people about the PS2's capabilities.
1GB demos on the 360 have always been 45-60 minute downloads for me from day one... best case. During the marketplace changes, it took an hour to download an Xbox Live Arcade game.
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bdunn13 wrote:WIthout Blu-Ray, I would not be a ps3 owner. I have the machine now for nothing but a movie player.
Hopefully you're not indicative of most PS3 owners. If so, Sony will have to make up all those development costs from movies instead of games. Not sure what royalties they get for BluRay sales (do they get any for being one of the consortium?) but I can't imagine them being more than software royalties.
bdunn13 wrote:WIthout Blu-Ray, I would not be a ps3 owner. I have the machine now for nothing but a movie player.
I agree 100%. Truthfully, as a gamer with a 360, there is really no reason to own a PS3 right now, but the Blu Ray player has impressed me so much that I am really, really glad I made the purchase.
And if Blu Ray doesn't win the war? Well, I have HD-DVD as well, so for the first time in my life, I am built for the future before the future even gets here.
Yeah, the PS3 is a Blu-Ray player for me first, gaming machine second.
Here are some updated impressions:
+ Still cannot get over how quiet this machine is. Good job Sony!
+ Bought two Blu-Ray discs yesterday and they look phenomenal. I got MI:3 and Monster House.
+ While I cannot wait for the separate DVD remote, using the controller is actually not too bad.
+ I am surprised at how nice the machine looks in my set-up. I like how it looks like a home theater component more than a gaming machine IMO.
- Machine has frozen up on me twice already.
- Still cannot get over the lack of rumble in the controller. I downloaded the F1 racing demo and it was really bothering me that when I hit the sides of track there was no bump feeling in the controller. Same with shooting in Resistance. Urgh!
- Obviously I have become spoiled with the X-Box 360's LIVE integration and certain things are noticeably absent in the PS3 (not sure if they are really bad or negative things but just not as well thought out I guess). For example, you can't go to your friends list and other features while in a game (as far as I can tell).
Badgun wrote:
Just to play devil's advocate, I don't think the download times are any longer than anything on Xbox Live. A 800 meg file is going to take a while on either system. Also remember that you're comparing a lot of these things to an interface and system that's had a year to grow.
Let's see where Sony is this time next year before we start throwing rocks at them. But I do agree with some of your points. If they could take care of upscaling dvds and downloading in the background, then I would be happy for awhile.
Bad,
With all due respect, there is no comparison. It takes me 15 - 20 minutes tops to download 1 GB on LIVE where it is taking me 1-2 hours to download 600-800 MB on PS3.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that the faster download times were the same at launch for 360 as they are now (maybe 5-10 minute difference). Still no where near the PS3 times.
Plus, I think I have earned every right to throw rocks at them after shelling out the equivalent of $600+. Remember, I am an owner now, not a X-Box fanboy.
Well I downloaded Motorstorm in about 45 minutes and I think it was about 800 meg. You don't remember those 1 gig downloads on the Marketplace that took longer than that or even came to a standstill? I sure do. Only in the past few months have 360 downloads gotten anywhere near fast and I use that term loosely.
Motorstorm is 480 MB.
I got it in about an hour or so as well, still too long to me. But I do remember the slow Xbox Live downloads, which have vastly improved.
ScoopBrady wrote:Does PS3 online have voice chat? I don't think I recall reading anything about that so I'm assuming it doesn't. That would really suck.
Yes it does. And I think that you can just use any 'ol bluetooth headset which is really cool.
According to this post at OS, you can save rosters to a USB memory stick, then mount the stick on your PC and email rosters to anyone, who should then be able to load them.
Can't wait to try this out, especialy other options like using an SD card (if you have the 60 GB version) or possibly upload and download directly from sites like Gamefaqs.com through the PS3 web browser.
I found that someone has uploaded a completed game save for Resistance as a zip file so I will have to rent that game to see if it works.
So the next question is, who's doing NCAA rosters for the PS3?
Yeah, I mentioned this a while back when people were complaining about the price. This will save you 60 bucks as you won't have to buy a memory card or transfer kit(given you already have some type of USB/flash memory device laying around).
Time says PS3 was a bust
PlayStation 3 one of five things magazine says "went from buzz to bust"; calls console "hideously expensive," launch titles "lame."
By Staff, GameSpot
When the New York Times said the PlayStation 3 "just isn't that great" in November, many Sony fans were up in arms. However, those words were relatively kind compared to what Time had to say. In naming its "5 Things That Went From Buzz to Bust" for 2006, the magazine put the PS3 right up there with Snakes on a Plane, O.J. Simpson's If I Did It book proposal, and Bode Miller's goose egg at the Winter Olympics. The piece begins harshly ("The big story in computer games this year was HOW TO BLOW A HUGE LEAD, by Sony." (capitals in original)), continues brutally ("The PS3 is hideously expensive," "the launch titles were lame"), and ends with a schoolyard insult ("You know you're in trouble when you get beat by something called a Wii"). Time's disdain for the PS3 isn't unprecedented. For the console's launch, the magazine also ran an article titled "Sony's PlayStation 3 Is Not Worth the Hype."
Count me in on one that agrees about the PS3 launch being a bust. However, that does not mean I have any buyers remorse. Let me explain...
For $600, I feel that I invested in a very nice Blu-Ray player that will play games too. I know that frustrates some because they wanted the PS3 to be a gaming machine first and foremost and now it is not being perceived that way. Plus the fact that Sony is charging what they are because they are forcing us to buy into the Blu-Ray format. But, according to reviews and my own experience, the PS3 is a damn nice Blu-Ray player and can compete with their flagship, $1000 model. So here I am getting almost the same quality Blu-Ray player as much more expensive models, plus a gaming machine that will no doubt have some killer titles within the next year.
I would probably feel a little different if I just shelled out $600+ right out of my pocket, but the ability to trade stuff in and return some other things I was not using to my store got me the PS3 for just over $100. That helped justify my purchase.
Heres the thing though...what other console has been a huge success at launch recently? The 360 was expensive for it's time last year at $400 and we did not get a next-gen movie player with it. No, we get an add on that brings the price back to equal what the PS3 is. I'll tell you right now, the PS3 is a nicer "all in one" machine than the 360 and it's add on for movies. I know, I know, at least MS did not force us into HD-DVD. Whatever...I researched and educated myself and wanted to go with Blu-Ray or else I would have help off on the PS3.
Now we need to think about what games the 360 had at launch that made us all sh*t our pants...hmmmmmmm...Geometry Wars? Perfect Dark was a bust (sure we were excited as hell for it but it was not very next-gan and certainly was not as good as we had hoped it would be). There were a few things that were decent but nothing mind blowing. So imagine if you had held off next-gen gaming for a PS3 and now have things like Fight Night R3, Madden 07, NBA 2K7, Resistance, ect... That is already better than the 360 launch line-up. It just that most of us have already played these games or their previous versions which make us have a different perspective. I other words, if you are a gamer or family that is just looking to get into "next-gen" gaming right now and loved your PS2, the PS3 might not look nearly as meek.
Now let's think about the Wii. Sure it's innovate design and quirky name makes it unique and seem fun, but once the novelty wears off (and I only mean this is gaming quality terms in regards to launch) what do we have left at launch to keep us excited??? I hate to say it, but I am already a bit bored with my Wii. Now, I have HUGE expectations for this system come mid to late next year, but right now there is nothing that is really grabbing me and making me think this was a great system launch. I guess it is not a bust since it is selling more and is a fresh and new way to look a gaming, but in reality, what substance is behind that? Zelda is nice, but is more or less the same thing that everyone is playing on their Gamecubes. Wii sports is fun for a bit (I know some are getting more milage out of it) but it is really just a tech demo making me long for the "real" full blown sports games (and I am including all Mario Sports in that statement).
Can we really say that a Zelda rehash, Trauma Center and a sports tech demo (none in HiDef mind you) beat out Resistance, all EA sports titles, NBA 2K7 and a very nice Blu-Ray player? I know there is a big price difference, but you get what you pay for here. Yes, the Wii can be provide more "pure" fun at only $250 from a strict gaming perspective, but you will still need either a 360 pr PS3 to compliment it if you are even close to an avid gamer. Plus the PS3 already offers much more with huge potential.
Am I thrilled about my PS3 right now...not really. Am I very excited about it's possibilities and future? Yes! Am I as excited about the PS3's future as I am about the Wii's...? Yep!
Time could have balanced their article by noting that Microsoft has not exactly taken huge advantage of Sony's troubles. The sales figures for the 360 in November certainly didn't lead me to believe that MS will hit their 10 million number by the end of the year. And the reliability issues with the 360 certainly balance things out a good bit.
As a non-online gamer, I can appreciate Xbox Live, but also have reservations about the Pandora's box of micro transactions. I see EA has some classic stadiums up for 300 points. Gone are the days when you get cool stuff like this on the disk with the original game.
Very interesting post, man. I think your points are a possibly unintentional indictment of the industry more than an intentional shot at the PS3.
Where's the innovation? Where's the creativity? Where's the software? Right now it seems that all of the emphasis in this industry is on hardware (consoles) and infrastructure (online play).
Software is suffering from sequel-itis and serious copycat syndrome. The negative byproduct of the explosive growth of the gaming industry is that no one has the balls to put out a big-budget, funky, unique title anymore because the financial risks are so high. And that's a no-no in a business that now is measured by performance on Wall Street, just like any other big business.
There's a reason why the Wii and DS are so popular right now. Both offer something different from a hardware perspective, and both either have or are planning at least a few funky, unique software titles. The common denominator for both consoles is fun for all ages, not technology or graphics. The importance of that can't be overstated, especially as gaming reaches critical mass appeal.
Both machines also are economical compared to their respective competition, reinforcing once again the two maxims of success in this business since its inception: Software and price.
Take care,
PK
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kevinpars wrote:Time could have balanced their article by noting that Microsoft has not exactly taken huge advantage of Sony's troubles. The sales figures for the 360 in November certainly didn't lead me to believe that MS will hit their 10 million number by the end of the year. And the reliability issues with the 360 certainly balance things out a good bit.
They have not taken a huge advantage, but they do have an advantage. I think the article should focus on the whole next Gen as a bust. People aren't willing to spend this kind of money on what many parents perceive as a toy.
The Wi is a great machine and I enjoy playing it here at work, but with the exception of bowling I didn't find many compeling games. The reason people are still camping out for it is simple, it is cheap compared to the 360 and PS3 and it offers something new.
Microsoft could have closed the door on who would win this generation by simply doing a price cut this holiday season. A $100 price cut would have put the premium at only $50 more then the Wi and since they are in full supply would have been a good alternative for mom and dad. At $150 more it's probably not even considered an alternative.
MS had a golden opportunity in front of them and they elected not to take advantage of it IMO.
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Spooky wrote:Can we really say that a Zelda rehash, Trauma Center and a sports tech demo (none in HiDef mind you) beat out Resistance, all EA sports titles, NBA 2K7 and a very nice Blu-Ray player? I know there is a big price difference, but you get what you pay for here. Yes, the Wii can be provide more "pure" fun at only $250 from a strict gaming perspective, but you will still need either a 360 pr PS3 to compliment it if you are even close to an avid gamer. Plus the PS3 already offers much more with huge potential.
I don't like Zelda, will not pay $50 for an updated Trauma Center (already got it for DS) but I still rather play Wii Sports over ANY exclusive game on PS3 (if I want to play EA sports or 2K games, I rather play them on 360 since they are virtually identical but has Live component that makes it that much better). It is not even a price issue for me because once you get extra Wii motes and nunchucks, the price actually pretty much even out. I don't need BD (and will not buy BD discs, I have no faith in ANY of Sony's proprietary formats, you all know the histories).
Plus, my wife would never touch PS3 simply because she has no interest in traditional videogames. But with the Wii, she asks me to play bowling and tennis with her all the time. It is amazing what nintendo has done, attracting non-gamers into the fold and let EVERYONE play together. We had fun playing against each other in Tennis and boxing, and if that is not revolution, I don't know what is.
Of course, once PS3's library grows and have alot of good exclusive games, then it will be time to consider getting one. Just not now.
Will makes a good point: Nintendo is just as susceptible to port-itis as Sony and Microsoft.
Trauma Center could be the first of a slew of DS hits to move to the Wii. Brain Age is coming, and I wouldn't be surprised to see games like Meteos, Mario Kart and more move to the Wii.
Hard to blame Nintendo, as ports of those DS hits equal cha-ching, but it sucks for those who already own a DS.
I'm with Will: I wouldn't want to play the Wii version of games I already own for the DS. So if Nintendo tosses a ton of DS ports to the Wii, it will steer me away from that console unless the Big N and third parties step up with more non-DS games for the Wii.
Time -- and profits -- will tell.
Take care,
PK
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Cooking Mama is also coming to the Wii.... And it is not even a budget title! $50, it BETTER offers alot more than the DS version. Even my wife, who was horribly addicted to CM on DS, is not keen to play the port.
We will see how it goes, but I am waiting for a bunch of these Wii games to drop in prices before I even think of buying them. I might get Metal Slug Anthrology though.
