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kevinpars wrote:After reading the NY Times article, I wonder if it is fair to compare the PS3 to the 360 after a year or should it be compared to the 360 when it first came out?

For instance, the 360 did not have background downloads until the first big console software update around Memorial Day. (5 months after release)
Exactly, it was a horrible story written by an Xbox fanboy, even without the incriminating offense of quoting Joystiq. He bitches and moans about a *one-time* plugging in of the controllers to the unit. Did he mention that at least you can charge the controller without having to buy a $20 addon? Nope. He complains about the PS3 text messaging... WTF, has he ever used the 360s? I can't even type five letters before accidentally backing out, and then plugging in a keyboard out of frustration. Don't even get me started as for him basically implying that the 360 has always downloaded in the background from day one...

There's far too much talk about the 360 for a PS3 impressions... some comparisons are fine but it doesn't have to ape every feature of the 360. Not everyone cares about playing music during their games or gamer achievements or whatever. The majority of PS3 owners I'm assuming are going to be upgrading from the PS2 and have already had a year to buy a 360 if they wanted one. And I always thought Major Nelson's name was Larry something or other...
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Lets hold off on the PS3 post-mortems for a little while? :roll:
Nobody has it here, nobody wants it here anytime soon, and there are tons of impressions on the web. Yet people are still shuffling through the web for any story that puts the PS3 in a negative light. Is there some kind of chip in the 360 that causes it to fail if the PS3 is successful? Why the insecurity?
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Kazuya wrote:
kevinpars wrote:After reading the NY Times article, I wonder if it is fair to compare the PS3 to the 360 after a year or should it be compared to the 360 when it first came out?

For instance, the 360 did not have background downloads until the first big console software update around Memorial Day. (5 months after release)
Exactly, it was a horrible story written by an Xbox fanboy, even without the incriminating offense of quoting Joystiq. He bitches and moans about a *one-time* plugging in of the controllers to the unit. Did he mention that at least you can charge the controller without having to buy a $20 addon? Nope. He complains about the PS3 text messaging... WTF, has he ever used the 360s? I can't even type five letters before accidentally backing out, and then plugging in a keyboard out of frustration. Don't even get me started as for him basically implying that the 360 has always downloaded in the background from day one...

There's far too much talk about the 360 for a PS3 impressions... some comparisons are fine but it doesn't have to ape every feature of the 360. Not everyone cares about playing music during their games or gamer achievements or whatever. The majority of PS3 owners I'm assuming are going to be upgrading from the PS2 and have already had a year to buy a 360 if they wanted one. And I always thought Major Nelson's name was Larry something or other...
Ah yes, the New York Times. A.K.A. "Xbox Fanboy Central"

Whatever.
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seanmac31 wrote:
Kazuya wrote:
kevinpars wrote:After reading the NY Times article, I wonder if it is fair to compare the PS3 to the 360 after a year or should it be compared to the 360 when it first came out?

For instance, the 360 did not have background downloads until the first big console software update around Memorial Day. (5 months after release)
Exactly, it was a horrible story written by an Xbox fanboy, even without the incriminating offense of quoting Joystiq. He bitches and moans about a *one-time* plugging in of the controllers to the unit. Did he mention that at least you can charge the controller without having to buy a $20 addon? Nope. He complains about the PS3 text messaging... WTF, has he ever used the 360s? I can't even type five letters before accidentally backing out, and then plugging in a keyboard out of frustration. Don't even get me started as for him basically implying that the 360 has always downloaded in the background from day one...

There's far too much talk about the 360 for a PS3 impressions... some comparisons are fine but it doesn't have to ape every feature of the 360. Not everyone cares about playing music during their games or gamer achievements or whatever. The majority of PS3 owners I'm assuming are going to be upgrading from the PS2 and have already had a year to buy a 360 if they wanted one. And I always thought Major Nelson's name was Larry something or other...
Ah yes, the New York Times. A.K.A. "Xbox Fanboy Central"

Whatever.
You're quite good at addressing issues, has anyone ever told you that?
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Kazuya wrote:
seanmac31 wrote:
Kazuya wrote: Exactly, it was a horrible story written by an Xbox fanboy, even without the incriminating offense of quoting Joystiq. He bitches and moans about a *one-time* plugging in of the controllers to the unit. Did he mention that at least you can charge the controller without having to buy a $20 addon? Nope. He complains about the PS3 text messaging... WTF, has he ever used the 360s? I can't even type five letters before accidentally backing out, and then plugging in a keyboard out of frustration. Don't even get me started as for him basically implying that the 360 has always downloaded in the background from day one...

There's far too much talk about the 360 for a PS3 impressions... some comparisons are fine but it doesn't have to ape every feature of the 360. Not everyone cares about playing music during their games or gamer achievements or whatever. The majority of PS3 owners I'm assuming are going to be upgrading from the PS2 and have already had a year to buy a 360 if they wanted one. And I always thought Major Nelson's name was Larry something or other...
Ah yes, the New York Times. A.K.A. "Xbox Fanboy Central"

Whatever.
You're quite good at addressing issues, has anyone ever told you that?
Why would one address issues when dealing with a broken record? It would be time wasted and words dropped into the darkness. If you're going to label an article in the New York Times tech section as the product of an "Xbox fanboy," then really, where can any discussion with you possibly go?
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seanmac31 wrote: Why would one address issues when dealing with a broken record? It would be time wasted and words dropped into the darkness. If you're going to label an article in the New York Times tech section as the product of an "Xbox fanboy," then really, where can any discussion with you possibly go?
Obviously not very far, if you're so dense as to assume that the New York Times is not capable fo putting out something biased. Talk about gullible...

Say it with me, just die PS3 thread, die.... why do people keep bumping you... we don't care about you here, we don't want you... people have 360's and now even Wiis.... why do people keep bumping you... just die PS3 thread...

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Kaz,

I typically stay out of these types of discussions, but I had to say this...

You are one hell of a conspiracy theorist!!! I mean, come on!?!?!

If the PS3 was really that badass, reasonably priced and offered something unique in the gameplay and graphics department right off the bat, folks on here would be jumping on it, no questions asked.

Unfortunately, it just doesn't have any of those things going for it at launch. There is just absolutely no "wow" factor with it, especially with most of the guys here at DSP (and double especially for those that have and are happy with their 360's).

There are absolutely no Sony vs. MS undertones here as far as I can tell. It all comes down to what provides us with the most fun and value and right now it is not the PS3. Bottom line.

Now shut the hell up already!!! :P
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Spooky wrote:
There are absolutely no Sony vs. MS undertones here as far as I can tell.
Spooky, you know I respect you but please tell me you didn't type that... because I am about to deluge you with about a zillion quotes...

DIE PS3 THREAD, DIE!!!
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This is getting a bit weird. I'm sure we could all do without the "die thread die" stuff. Perhaps there's somewhere else on the web where the PS3 discussion is a bit more to your liking?
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Slumberland wrote:This is getting a bit weird. I'm sure we could all do without the "die thread die" stuff. Perhaps there's somewhere else on the web where the PS3 discussion is a bit more to your liking?
LOL, I'm joking... I'll knock it off if it bothers you. I don't know what else to say... someone posted a story that I thought was biased and I stated my reasons why. I didn't pull a seanmac and say "you suck" without any reasoning. People are free to continue posting anti-PS3 links to make themselves feel better, and I'm free to have my opinion of it.
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Kazuya wrote:
Slumberland wrote:This is getting a bit weird. I'm sure we could all do without the "die thread die" stuff. Perhaps there's somewhere else on the web where the PS3 discussion is a bit more to your liking?
LOL, I'm joking... I'll knock it off if it bothers you. I don't know what else to say... someone posted a story that I thought was biased and I stated my reasons why. I didn't pull a seanmac and say "you suck" without any reasoning. People are free to continue posting anti-PS3 links to make themselves feel better, and I'm free to have my opinion of it.
I am not going back and digging through this entire thread so excuse me if I am missing this, but do you even have a PS3?
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Kazuya wrote:LOL, I'm joking... I'll knock it off if it bothers you.
Promise? Pretty please?
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Spooky wrote:
Kazuya wrote:
Slumberland wrote:This is getting a bit weird. I'm sure we could all do without the "die thread die" stuff. Perhaps there's somewhere else on the web where the PS3 discussion is a bit more to your liking?
LOL, I'm joking... I'll knock it off if it bothers you. I don't know what else to say... someone posted a story that I thought was biased and I stated my reasons why. I didn't pull a seanmac and say "you suck" without any reasoning. People are free to continue posting anti-PS3 links to make themselves feel better, and I'm free to have my opinion of it.
I am not going back and digging through this entire thread so excuse me if I am missing this, but do you even have a PS3?
Of course not, why would I want one? I have a 360 and a DS that's more than enough gaming for me. I just don't feel any need to perpetually pile on the PS3 and Sony to make me feel better about my console choices. I hope Sony succeeds because I had a lot of fun with the PS1 and the PS2... and I hope the 360 succeeds because, well I already bought one and it would kinda suck if they didn't.
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Spooky wrote:If the PS3 was really that badass, reasonably priced and offered something unique in the gameplay and graphics department right off the bat, folks on here would be jumping on it, no questions asked.

Unfortunately, it just doesn't have any of those things going for it at launch. There is just absolutely no "wow" factor with it, especially with most of the guys here at DSP (and double especially for those that have and are happy with their 360's).

There are absolutely no Sony vs. MS undertones here as far as I can tell. It all comes down to what provides us with the most fun and value and right now it is not the PS3. Bottom line.
Lot of people made their decisions on the next gen a year ago or even longer ago. Back then, it was, no matter how good the PS3 may be, it's XBL FTW!

Before then, it was Xbox, because Sony deviously muscled the DC out of the market, in cahoots with Evil EA and having undeserving success with unworthy games like GT or boring MGS (watch more than play it).

So a lot of these partisans are now chiming in with "Ha! It's not so good" and "Only reason people are buying it is to eBay it" -- ignoring the reality that if there was no underlying demand, there wouldn't be an eBay aftermarket.

It's fine, if you've made your choice and aren't interested until the price comes way down, if then. So why take part in a PS3 impressions thread?

Isn't GoW keeping you busy enough?

Was there a comparable attempt to downplay the X360 last year? I heard a lot about the overheating and reliability problems but since I never had firsthand knowledge, I never brought it up or really commented on it.
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Why don't you put your gamertag in the thread astickied on this forum, I would love to see what 360 games you're playing.
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Kazuya wrote: I didn't pull a seanmac and say "you suck" without any reasoning. People are free to continue posting anti-PS3 links to make themselves feel better, and I'm free to have my opinion of it.
But you do take it upon yourself to assign others motive. I posted that link because it was new, appearing today, and there is a noticable dearth of impressions in this thread. Biased or not, the author at least goes into specific details about elements of the machine's functionality, and that is what I was hoping to see in this thread. You imply the link was posted so that I can feel better about myself, and I do take offense to that.

I have owned more Sony videogames than games for any other console maker, by a long shot. I'm currently playing both GHII and Bully, and I think good competition from all sided is the best thing a gamer could want. I certainly don't want the system to suck.

If you feel the impressions are biased, by all means continue to post links to positive impressions, as you have been doing. That is much more useful than trying to show how this board is MS biased by comparing the lengths of the Gears of War and Shadow of the Colossus impressions threads. Why not go all out and compare Halo II to Ico as an attempt to measure bias?
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wco81 wrote: It's fine, if you've made your choice and aren't interested until the price comes way down, if then. So why take part in a PS3 impressions thread?
Seems like the Ny Times article was an impression, of course since it was negative it became a fan boy impression. also saw other post to impressions. What you really need to do is title this thread Postive PS3 impressions only and then some of you will be happy.
Isn't GoW keeping you busy enough?
An lines like this, which are nothing but digs show you'd rather hear nothing if someone doesn't have anything positive to say.
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webdanzer wrote: But you do take it upon yourself to assign others motive. I posted that link because it was new, appearing today, and there is a noticable dearth of impressions in this thread. Biased or not, the author at least goes into specific details about elements of the machine's functionality, and that is what I was hoping to see in this thread. You imply the link was posted so that I can feel better about myself, and I do take offense to that.
I do imply that, and you probably won't believe me but it was never my intention to point the finger at one person. From all the time I've discussed things with you on this board and beyond, I've never gotten the impression that you were a fanboy of any kind or anything but a hardcore gamer of all types. I think it's pretty obvious who the main culprits are.
webdanzer wrote:If you feel the impressions are biased, by all means continue to post links to positive impressions, as you have been doing. That is much more useful than trying to show how this board is MS biased by comparing the lengths of the Gears of War and Shadow of the Colossus impressions threads. Why not go all out and compare Halo II to Ico as an attempt to measure bias?
The point of that comparison was to show that no one here had PS2s to play the game on, not that the board was M$ biased. I know that every other board that I visit had tons of discussion on SotC.
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That NY times article just repeats many of the same talking points which have been expressed here several times. It really adds nothing that hasn't been discussed before.

Yes Sony's only experience will never be as nice as XBL (but he didn't mention the price difference).

Maybe the author wasn't involved in the headline but the notion that a weekend, the first weekend after launch, is enough to evaluate the system is absurd. Or should X360 be judged only on the basis of games like PDZ?

Stringer and Sony broke their promise because it's been a whole weekend and you're not awed yet?

Is the rubric of the NY Times suppose to sanctify these haphazard impressions?

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What positive impressions?

I don't mind critical opinions, just don't repeat commonplace stuff which is already all over the web.

For instance, why given the delayed launch, not have more RAM or a better GPU? Why have two SKUs when 80% of the shipped units are the $600 one? Why didn't Sony try to enforce some uniformity like resolution support, online support?
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Maybe it is because it is so hard to lay hands on one, but what i want to see is a breakdown of the system as purchased. What comes in the box, how it all fits together. Maybe even photos of the back side of the console where you can see the inputs/outputs. There were tons of this sort of thing with the 360. I would like to see one for the PS3 - the tech geek perspective.

I don't need anyone to tell me what it can/can't do compared to the 360. Tell me what it does and I can figure the rest out for myself. Surely one of the major gaming websites can do something like this, right? Are there websites comparable to the Xbox fan sites like Xboxscene.com and teamxbox.com??

A tech review without a lot of bias or an agenda. Nuts and bolts.
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kevinpars wrote:Maybe it is because it is so hard to lay hands on one, but what i want to see is a breakdown of the system as purchased. What comes in the box, how it all fits together. Maybe even photos of the back side of the console where you can see the inputs/outputs. There were tons of this sort of thing with the 360. I would like to see one for the PS3 - the tech geek perspective.

I don't need anyone to tell me what it can/can't do compared to the 360. Tell me what it does and I can figure the rest out for myself. Surely one of the major gaming websites can do something like this, right? Are there websites comparable to the Xbox fan sites like Xboxscene.com and teamxbox.com??

A tech review without a lot of bias or an agenda. Nuts and bolts.
Right... the reviewer felt like he had to compare the PS3 to every minute, even irrelevant detail of the 360. Quality of Blu-Ray play on the PS3? Nope. Evaluation of crossbar interface for console gaming? Nope. PS3 play music in the background? HELL NO! (A feature I have never even used once.) "Impressions" like that don't help me, for instance, if I'm a PS2 owner jumping to PS3 and have no interest in Xbox. By going down his laundry list of points, it sounds like he's more interested in pushing someone to Xbox rather than describing the PS3. How long was his "good points" paragraph? Two sentences?

I don't mind comparisons, and there should be comparisons between ALL the consoles on major points. But I'd like for hands on impressions to tell me what the actual thing does, not be an Xbox 360 commercial in disguise.
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Kazuya wrote:
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Kazuya wrote: Exactly, it was a horrible story written by an Xbox fanboy, even without the incriminating offense of quoting Joystiq. He bitches and moans about a *one-time* plugging in of the controllers to the unit. Did he mention that at least you can charge the controller without having to buy a $20 addon? Nope. He complains about the PS3 text messaging... WTF, has he ever used the 360s? I can't even type five letters before accidentally backing out, and then plugging in a keyboard out of frustration. Don't even get me started as for him basically implying that the 360 has always downloaded in the background from day one...

There's far too much talk about the 360 for a PS3 impressions... some comparisons are fine but it doesn't have to ape every feature of the 360. Not everyone cares about playing music during their games or gamer achievements or whatever. The majority of PS3 owners I'm assuming are going to be upgrading from the PS2 and have already had a year to buy a 360 if they wanted one. And I always thought Major Nelson's name was Larry something or other...
Ah yes, the New York Times. A.K.A. "Xbox Fanboy Central"

Whatever.
You're quite good at addressing issues, has anyone ever told you that?
Sigh. Fine, I'll address your issues, such as they are. Evidently, you don't care for the fact that the writer didn't like plugging in the PS3 controller. Such things mean nothing to you. On the other hand, you can charge the PS3 controllers without buying an add-on. This is arguably a system-seller by itself. The notion that Sony should have included HDMI cables is, apparently, a product of the notorious Xbox-wing media. The writer doesn't have a problem with the 360 messaging system. You do. Therefore...soemthing. Have I missed any issues yet?

The writer also noted that he didn't need to sit there watching his 360 download content, which is true. Evidently you took issue with this because there was a time when it wasn't true. Only that time isn't now. But because the 360 launched with this problem, it is perfectly acceptable for the PS3 to launch with it, even though the PS3 is launching a full year later. I'm not sure why you are so insistent that the PS3 only be compared with where the 360 was a year ago as opposed to where it is now. If the PS3 wanted to be compared with what the 360 offered at launch, then it should have launched back in 2005. It's roughly like arguing that Xbox users should have been fine with waiting a year to play GTA 3 even though PS2 owners were playing it because the Xbox still had more time before it was "GTA 3-ready" or some such thing. If Sony fixes the download issue in a week, then it's a minor niggle. But it would be negligent of the writer to not point out the various areas in which the newest, latest, greatest console is in fact not matching the features or services of a console that is a year old.

Then, after listing the myriad issues with which the 360 bothers you and where it should presumably emulate the PS3, you then complained that other people are spending too much time comparing the PS3 to the 360. Does that about cover it?

More generally, you've tended to post the following arguments in between the steady hail of pro-Sony PR pieces:

1) The PS3 will blow the 360 out of the water because casual gamers only want to go from one Playstation to the next.

2) Microsoft is a bad, bad company, and they've done bad things in the PC world, so it's all for the best that Sony is going to blow the 360 out of the water with the help of the casual gamers.

To which I would say, who cares? The 360 isn't going to disappear like the Dreamcast did, so it's not terribly important to consumers which console sells more, the 360 or the PS3. Both machines will continue to be supported. And as for the casual gamers who will sit in their Gap clothes eating McDonalds and playing on their PS3, again, who cares? Or more specifically, what does that have to do with us? This is a board dedicated to a more dedicated group of game players. Most of us are fairly well appraised of the current video game landscape. Many of us have already purchased 360s, so the question for us is not whether or not we should upgrade our PS2s for PS3s but rather whether there is any good reason why we should supplement and/or replace our 360s with PS3s. There hasn't been the faintest whisper of a reason for me to do so, but others may feel differently. For the moment, that seems to be what there is to talk about.

Of course, if there were any actual PS3s for sale, we might have some actual impressions in this thread. But until then...
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wco81 wrote: What positive impressions?
I can't comment positive or negative about the system, I don't own one. If you find a positive impression piece post a link I would love to read them. I will get hands on time with the PS3 tomorrow night at a friends party.
I don't mind critical opinions, just don't repeat commonplace stuff which is already all over the web.
Sorry but i would have never seen that NY Time article if the link was not posted here. I also don't spend my days / nights reading PS3 reviews. I visit two forums and this is one of them, so its not so common place to me. I also don't take every review at face value, I'd like to form my own opinion.
For instance, why given the delayed launch, not have more RAM or a better GPU? Why have two SKUs when 80% of the shipped units are the $600 one? Why didn't Sony try to enforce some uniformity like resolution support, online support?
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Re: PS3 impressions thread (post them when you have them)

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ScoopBrady wrote:I'm going to start this thread for impressions only. Please don't let it devolve into a useless thread with PS3 or 360 jabs. I'm not getting a PS3 today but would still love to hear impressions of it from people here.
Well, this thread has started turning into a useless thread with PS3 and 360 jabs. Why does every PS3 thread turn into the same thing? I just want impressions of the system itself. Not one member here has even opened their PS3?

Kaz, I don't mind you posting relevant information and rebutting points but I do have a major problem when you call out the whole forum for being Xbox fanboys. Drop that now or you'll be banned again. This forum is far from being a bunch of Xbox fanboys. In fact, I think DSP is one of the most open-minded forums I've seen out there. Many of us own 360's but many of us will likely pick up a PS3 down the road. People's complaints of the PS3 are not unwarranted either. One thing the Xbox taught this board is the fact that a robust online community enhances a console. One thing the 360 taught this board is progressing the robust online community and integrating it into the interface of the console itself enhances the console. If/when the PS3 offers similar services I'm sure the PS3 will endear itself among this forum. Am I really a fanboy because an online community is something that's very important to me in a console?

Everyone else, please don't take to personally attacking Kaz in the PS3-related threads. He's entitled to his opinion the same as everyone else. Anybody who personally attacks Kaz will be looking at a ban as well.

Let's keep the peace guys and use this thread for its intended purpose. I'd really like to see some impressions from actual board members. My plan, as of now, will be to hold off on a PS3 until the summer. Of course, supply might dictate that anyways. :wink:
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Kazuya wrote: I do imply that, and you probably won't believe me but it was never my intention to point the finger at one person. From all the time I've discussed things with you on this board and beyond, I've never gotten the impression that you were a fanboy of any kind or anything but a hardcore gamer of all types. I think it's pretty obvious who the main culprits are.
I find it amusing that you and wco are defending Sony and the PS3 as if your lives depended on it. You claim to have no emotional investment in either, yet you sit there defend them at every single response. Here, you are using the "fanboy" label and "culprits" in the same thoughts. Why are people who do not fall into your line of thinking called "culprits"? Why are you using any labels when clearly YOU are the one with the emotional defense of Sony and the PS3 (and one other member of DSP)?

At the end of the day, Sony deserves the negativity it is getting for this launch and their actions since E3. However, their actions at E3 and this launch will be long forgotten as soon as PS3's are actually available to buy and take home in quantity. Users at DSP are intelligent and for the most part hardcore gamers. If the PS3 is as good as advertised, then it will make inroads here at DSP and there can be good discussions both positive and negative. People need to leave their labels and their personal biases at home when they come here, though.
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