OT The NCAA Football Season Discussion

lexbur · Post by **lexbur** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:01 am

"Ha-a-a-ang on Sloopy, Sloopy hang on...

Bill_Abner · Post by **Bill_Abner** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:21 am

lexbur wrote:"Ha-a-a-ang on Sloopy, Sloopy hang on...

Damn straight. Got my tickets yesterday.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:13 pm

RIP Bo Schembechler....

Damn, that is just sh*tty timing.

AcemanPR · Post by **AcemanPR** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:16 pm

What a coward.

f***er couldn't have waited 36 more hours and died after OSU shellacks scUM.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:19 pm

Hilarious.

webdanzer · Post by **webdanzer** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:21 pm

AcemanPR wrote:What a coward.

f***er couldn't have waited 36 more hours and died after OSU shellacks scUM.

Wow, that's one of the most tasteless things I've seen on here in a long time.

Nice one!

F308GTB · Post by **F308GTB** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:48 pm

webdanzer wrote:
AcemanPR wrote:What a coward.

f***er couldn't have waited 36 more hours and died after OSU shellacks scUM.
Wow, that's one of the most tasteless things I've seen on here in a long time.

Nice one!

Don't know. db's response showed true colors as well.

hellbent · Post by **hellbent** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:17 pm

RIP Bo.

Probably the best college coach I can think of (ie, during my lifetime) that never won a NC. The BCS ain't perfect, but looking back on some of those great Michigan teams that never won the NC reminds me of how bad the poll-only system is also.

I didn't realize he had his FIRST heart attack in 1970. Then went on to coach 20 more years, retire, and live over 15 more. That's pretty amazing.

On the eve of when the the Big Game has never been bigger, this is tragic news.

Bill_Abner · Post by **Bill_Abner** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:48 pm

Sad, yes. But I don't know about 'tragic.' Bo had a hell of a life, one that most never dreamed of living. It's ironic that he passed 24 hrs from kickoff of The Game, but he's been ill for some time now.

The last link to the 10 year war is gone, and it's a sad day for both OSU and Michigan fans.

Tomorrow, though...it's on.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:12 pm

F308GTB wrote:
webdanzer wrote:
AcemanPR wrote:What a coward.

f***er couldn't have waited 36 more hours and died after OSU shellacks scUM.
Wow, that's one of the most tasteless things I've seen on here in a long time.

Nice one!
Don't know. db's response showed true colors as well.

Sarcasm is your friend. (i.e. the

)

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:48 pm

Hell of a game -- lived up to the hype.

Too much Troy F. Smith. The Downtown Athletic Club should send the big bronze trophy to the engraver Monday, as soon as it gets back from Columbus.

Michigan couldn't get enough pressure on Smith, and its secondary was weak. Plus the Pittman TD run isn't supposed to happen against Michigan's run defense.

Only the second time Hart has run for more than 100 and Michigan has lost. Major bummer.

Take care,
PK

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:58 pm

Yeah, it was a great game and didn't disappoint at all. I kind of agree with the announcers in that I believe OSU and Michigan are the two best teams, but I don't want a rematch.

Pat Haden made a comment during the ND/Army broadcast that my cousin (in-law), Mike Viti, is good enough to play in the NFL someday

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:06 pm

Leebo33 wrote:Yeah, it was a great game and didn't disappoint at all. I kind of agree with the announcers in that I believe OSU and Michigan are the two best teams, but I don't want a rematch.

Pat Haden made a comment during the ND/Army broadcast that my cousin (in-law), Mike Viti, is good enough to play in the NFL someday

Cool about your cousin, Leebo!

As for a rematch, I'd love to see one. They're the two best teams, period.

I just don't understand the "no-rematch" philosophy. Let's take basketball, for example. If Duke and North Carolina are No. 1 and 2 and meet in the ACC final and play a great game, people wouldn't want to see that matchup again in the NCAA final, as pure basketball fans and putting all partisan support aside?

I would. Just like I'd like to see Michigan-Ohio St. again. I just don't see how Michigan should drop to No. 3 after losing by three at Columbus, given the significant edge in BCS points these two schools had over No. 3 on down.

Take care,
PK

AcemanPR · Post by **AcemanPR** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:33 pm

There won't be a rematch unless Florida and USC both lose.

Great first drive for Michigan. That one was for Bo.

Bottom line, Ohio State is the best team, the are #1. Michigan will most likely play the loser of USC and Cal.

My reply was a bit out of hand (blame lunch time beers). Bo was one of the greats. It was awesome to see a great game between OSU and UM. Both Bo and Woody were watching from above.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:34 pm

pk500 wrote:I just don't understand the "no-rematch" philosophy. Let's take basketball, for example. If Duke and North Carolina are No. 1 and 2 and meet in the ACC final and play a great game, people wouldn't want to see that matchup again in the NCAA final, as pure basketball fans and putting all partisan support aside?

That's not a good analogy at all. No one would complain about a Michigan/OSU rematch assuming they had some sort of a tournament system to get to that matchup. Part of the issue is that neither team will play another game until the championship game (I believe). At least there are like 8 games between the ACC championship and the NCAA championship game...having to earn their way there every step of the way.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:33 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
pk500 wrote:I just don't understand the "no-rematch" philosophy. Let's take basketball, for example. If Duke and North Carolina are No. 1 and 2 and meet in the ACC final and play a great game, people wouldn't want to see that matchup again in the NCAA final, as pure basketball fans and putting all partisan support aside?
That's not a good analogy at all. No one would complain about a Michigan/OSU rematch assuming they had some sort of a tournament system to get to that matchup. Part of the issue is that neither team will play another game until the championship game (I believe). At least there are like 8 games between the ACC championship and the NCAA championship game...having to earn their way there every step of the way.

That's true, but within the current framework of college football, I think it's somewhat analogous. Both teams ran the table up to this game, so they have earned this matchup. I still think they're worthy of a rematch, too. Michigan did nothing today to drop them to No. 3, although I'm sure the computers and coaches will spit otherwise.

I know the matchup would be each team's next game, but it won't happen for another seven weeks. So time would add freshness to the game; it wouldn't be as stale as if they played next weekend.

Normally I would be opposed to a 1-2 rematch. But after watching today's game, I'm more convinced they are clearly the two best teams in the nation.

Sure, I have a partisan interest. I root for Michigan because Hart grew up and played high school football 10 miles from me, but today was a hell of a game. I'd like to see it again in seven weeks, with a different outcome.

But honestly, even if the outcome was the same and the entertainment value between two VERY skilled teams was the same, I'd feel good as a football fan.

Take care,
PK

Zlax45 · Post by **Zlax45** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:14 am

nice choke job Rutgers!!!

Have fun in some crappy bowl!!

Bill_Abner · Post by **Bill_Abner** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:22 am

Got back from the game about an hour or so ago. What a night. My voice is shot.

I have said from day 1: NO REMATCH

I still feel that way. OSU gets one shot at Michigan each year -- and vice versa. Michigan had their shot, and lost. It's unfair to OSU to make them beat them again just as it would have been unfair to ask Michigan to do the same. This is the OSU/Michigan game. You get ONE SHOT. It would just be weird to see those teams play in ...Arizona.

I still think it's either USC or Florida but I just cannot support losing your final game of the year and still playing for the title. That doesn't seem right to me.

Also, the Mike Hart post game interview really surprised me. Take your loss like a man, Mike. I lost some respect for that kid after that. I also disagree with him. OSU did everything it could to keep Michigan in that game tonight. 3 turnovers for OSU to UM's none and still OSU won 42-39. I know the kid is upset afte a tough loss, but give a little respect to the team that just beat you.

Regardless, OSU is going back to the desert, and after the crap filled year I have had, this is the best way I can think of to finish off 2006.

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:10 am

Why do people care so much about comments made by some 20 or 21 year old kid made 15 minutes after an emotional, emotional game.

What do you want him to say.

I heard the press conference, non issue imo. Kid's a competitor who lost a game of the magnitude that no one here could ever understand.. Cut him some slack.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:57 am

REMATCH!

Great game...Id like to see it played without a HOME FIELD advantage.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:32 am

Bill_Abner wrote:I still feel that way. OSU gets one shot at Michigan each year -- and vice versa. Michigan had their shot, and lost. It's unfair to OSU to make them beat them again just as it would have been unfair to ask Michigan to do the same. This is the OSU/Michigan game. You get ONE SHOT. It would just be weird to see those teams play in ...Arizona.

Yeah. It's different than college basketball where you can play a team 3 or possibly 4 times. I *hate* the current system in college football but it is what it is. This was billed, hyped, and felt like the equivalent of an NFL conference championship game. I view it as a playoff game. For many many years this has been a playoff game in the Big Ten. There aren't any do overs in this rivalry and there have very rarely in the history of college football been any rematches. The last time I remember it happening was Florida/FSU and I think it tainted Florida's championship in my mind.

Of course, if Florida and USC both lose then I think a Michigan should get another shot by default. There's no way Notre Dame should even be in the scenario since they lost to Michigan at home. As much as I would *love* to see Ohio State take Notre Dame behind the wood shed two straight years, it just shouldn't happen.

Sully · Post by **Sully** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:50 am

I'd love to see a rematch. In my eyes, those two teams are clearly the best in the nation. I don't think it's fair that Michigan should miss out on the Title game simply because their only loss came in their last game of the regular season...on the road...at their hated rival...the number one team in the nation...and by a 3 point margin.

Why punish Michigan because they weren't "fortunate" enough to lose earlier in the season?

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:05 am

Sully wrote:Why punish Michigan because they weren't "fortunate" enough to lose earlier in the season?

Well, the current system is all about punishing someone. If USC runs the table why shouldn't they get a shot? You can't just look at the loss side. You have to look at the quality wins as well. If USC wins out they would have wins against #5, #6, #17, #24 from this week's poll while Michigan has only 2 wins against this week's Top 25. I'm not so convinced Michigan is "clearly" one of the top 2 teams. This was a down year for the Big Ten besides the top 2 teams. Wisconsin would have had more losses if they played Ohio State or had a non-conference schedule that wasn't Bowling Green, Western Illinois, Buffalo, and San Diego State

Sully · Post by **Sully** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:28 am

Leebo33 wrote:
Sully wrote:Why punish Michigan because they weren't "fortunate" enough to lose earlier in the season?
Well, the current system is all about punishing someone. If USC runs the table why shouldn't they get a shot? You can't just look at the loss side. You have to look at the quality wins as well. If USC wins out they would have wins against #5, #6, #17, #24 from this week's poll while Michigan has only 2 wins against this week's Top 25. I'm not so convinced Michigan is "clearly" one of the top 2 teams. This was a down year for the Big Ten besides the top 2 teams. Wisconsin would have had more losses if they played Ohio State or had a non-conference schedule that wasn't Bowling Green, Western Illinois, Buffalo, and San Diego State

Was it really a down year for the Big 10, or are Michigan and Ohio St. that much better than everyone else in the conference? Penn St. played both OSU and UM, as well as Notre Dame. They're much better than their record indicates. Wisconsin included, that's 4 good teams. Put those 4 up against the top 4 from any other conference, and I think they match up extremely well. Underrate Wisconsin all you like, Auburn did the same last year, and were steamrolled in a Bowl game. The SEC is a conference that's severely overrated this year, but that's another discussion.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:54 am

Sully wrote:Penn St. played both OSU and UM, as well as Notre Dame. They're much better than their record indicates.

I watched just about every minute of every Penn State game and I think they are a very mediocre football team. They are a great defensive team and poor offensively. They barely won yesterday against Michigan State, struggled at home to Illinois who lost to a MAC team, and got an extremely fortunate pass interference call to beat Minnesota. They did play well against Ohio State, but the Michigan game wasn't as close as the score indicated. I can't see Penn State winning in the Outback bowl unless they somehow miraculously perform a LOT better on offense. I hope I'm wrong.

I also think the SEC is overrated, but overall the SEC isn't any worse than the Big Ten this year IMO. The Big Ten has 2 great teams, one good team, and a few average teams. The top 2 in the SEC aren't as good, but the middle is tougher. Just my opinion...