OT The NCAA Football Season Discussion

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:19 pm

pk500 wrote:
bkrich83 wrote:USC also beat a ranked team and the SEC West leader Arkansas by 36 at their place. They are also 6-0 and have yet to play a team with a record below .500, while Michigan has several wins against teams with poor records.
Arkansas wasn't ranked when SC mauled it in Week 1. Central Michigan is the only sub-.500 team Michigan has played all year, 0-1 in Week 2.

Sorry, but I'm still not seeing SC over Michigan. Michigan destroyed a No. 2 -- albeit a media-inflated No. 2 -- on the road. SC doesn't have a win of that quality yet this season.

Take care,
PK

Doen't matter where they were ranked when they played them. In the BCS, Strength of Schedule takes in to account current records and rankings. Because pre-season rankings underate some teams, and overrate others. See Auburn 2004.

36 point win vs. the SEC West leader will score points in the BCS. Again USC has wins vs. 2 ranked teams, and 6 wins against teams with records of .500 or above.

Michigan has 1 win against a ranked opponent and have beaten 4 teams with records currently below .500. (Vandy, C.Michigan, Michigan St. and Minnesota).

Looking at it from a pure SOS perspective, Michigan doesn't have much of an argument, although if I had a vote I would rank them #2.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:41 pm

bkrich83 wrote:36 point win vs. the SEC West leader will score points in the BCS. Again USC has wins vs. 2 ranked teams, and 6 wins against teams with records of .500 or above.

SC has a win against one team that was ranked when it played the Trojans -- Nebraska. That's it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teamsched?teamId=30

SC has an edge in strength of schedule, even though Arizona State fattened up on Nevada and Northern Arizona to get it to 2-0 and was crushed in its two Pac-10 games before Saturday. Still, I would think a victory over a No. 2 team on the road would mean more than a win over a No. 19 at home.

I guess Arkie's win over Auburn helped SC more than I think.

Take care,
PK

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:52 pm

pk500 wrote:
bkrich83 wrote:36 point win vs. the SEC West leader will score points in the BCS. Again USC has wins vs. 2 ranked teams, and 6 wins against teams with records of .500 or above.
SC has a win against one team that was ranked when it played the Trojans -- Nebraska. That's it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teamsched?teamId=30

SC has an edge in strength of schedule, even though Arizona State fattened up on Nevada and Northern Arizona to get it to 2-0 and was crushed in its two Pac-10 games before Saturday. Still, I would think a victory over a No. 2 team on the road would mean more than a win over a No. 19 at home.

I guess Arkie's win over Auburn helped SC more than I think.

Take care,
PK

It doesn't matter where they were ranked when they played. That's irrelevant.

So as I said, USC has wins against 2 ranked teams, Michigan has wins against 1. USC has defeated 6 teams with a .500 records or better. Michigan, has defeated 4 teams with sub .500 records, not to mention Penn St. is 3-3 and not playing well. A win vs. an overhyped Notre Dame team alone is not enough to get past the discrepencies in schedules. I don't know what to tell you that's just the way it works. As I said, I would vote Michigan #2, but from a purely SOS standpoint, Michigan really has no argument.

The gap will get larger going in to the last week of the season, if both teams win out. Michigan has a game, against a ranked Iowa team (well ranked in one poll), then no one else till the Buckeyes.

USC still has ranked opponents in Oregon, Notre Dame, Cal left on their schedule. So unless USC loses, odds are Michigan will not bypass USC.

That being said, if Michigan runs the table, and then takes care of business against Ohio St. it won't matter, because they will play for the title, so what USC does is really irrelevant to Michigan's title hopes.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:52 pm

Michigan beats OSU and they are fine....the BCS is on ignore.

Jackdog · Post by **Jackdog** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:31 pm

bkrich83 wrote: That being said, if Michigan runs the table, and then takes care of business against Ohio St. it won't matter, because they will play for the title, so what USC does is really irrelevant to Michigan's title hopes.

GO BLUE!!

FU*K THE BCS!!!

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:33 pm

JackDog wrote:
bkrich83 wrote: That being said, if Michigan runs the table, and then takes care of business against Ohio St. it won't matter, because they will play for the title, so what USC does is really irrelevant to Michigan's title hopes.
GO BLUE!!

FU*K THE BCS!!!

If we're lucky maybe a USC vs. Michigan title game. Now THAT would be fun.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:39 pm

It would be a hell of a game, too. Mega fun!

Take care,
PK

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 10:07 pm

Ginn's punt return TD was amazing. He didn't have to make much moves, just pure speed.

He just shot through a crowd of players before the defenders could close the gap.

Looked like he had a couple of extra gears on everybody else on the field.

kevinpars · Post by **kevinpars** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:59 am

Another college football weekend coming up.

I am an FSU and an ACC fan, but I think it is karma that the ACC is down and the Big East looks much stronger than anticipated. All the talk was about Louisville and WVU, but Pittsburgh and/or Rutgers could spoil the party.

Georgia Tech and Clemson should be a fun game. Those two teams always put on a good show and home field advantage means nothing. This rivalry reminds me of Georgia - Auburn where the road team often wins and the games are always competitive.

FSU plays Boston College, but if I am not mistaken, there is a bylaw at DS the prohibits discussion of games involving BC, so I will take a pass.

Does Iowa have a chance of staying with Michigan at the Big House? I hope not, because I want to see both Mich and Ohio State undefeated when they meet.

And then there is Miami versus Duke. Call in the D.A., cause this one is for all the marbles!

bdunn13 · Post by **bdunn13** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:46 pm

Speaking of Georgia, my dawgs have a new starting QB.. Matt Stafford should be under center for the rest of the way.. unless he struggles or something goes wrong. Mark Richt said he now gives Georgia the best chance to win and he has improved drasticly since Colorado. He also blames some of his low numbers on receivers not being able to catch his bullets. He says the receivers must adjust.

I don't know if I buy the idea that he gives us the best chance to win NOW, but he surely does next year and the next and the next. I think Richt after seeing we suck badly this year(relatively speaking) he wants to rebuild and get Matt the exp.

Likewise Joe T is no longer the starter. After hearing the news he went and talked to coach Richt. Instead of griping, complaing et al, he asked Richt if he could play Tight End. Thats right, he wanted to go from QB to TE. He said he would do anything he could to help the team.

This kid has so much heart its crazy. Too bad he does not have the physical skills to go along with it. As a Georgia fan, its hard not to love the guy even though he is just not very good.

On a ligher note I was told about "http://www.firemarkricht.com" last night and got pretty pissed off until I saw what was up there.

Last but not least, Oregon State has turned down an opening game for next year against Georgia.

Go Dawgs,
BD

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:46 am

Penn State may have "won" the game, but Illinois fans have a lot to look forward to in upcoming seasons. I was really impressed with Juice Williams (he was throwing the ball so hard that a PSU defensive back couldn't even intercept it *after* a deflection...had a handful of WR drops as well), Rashard Mendenhall, and the corner Davis.

I was unhappy like most of the country to see Notre Dame win. Thank God Michigan beat them so soundly on the road or they'd actually have a chance at the mythical national championship with a win vs. USC and after they win the Commander-in-Chief trophy. I can't see it happening now considering the Michigan beating and with all the teams ahead of them with weak schedules.

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:01 am

Leebo33 wrote:Penn State may have "won" the game, but Illinois fans have a lot to look forward to in upcoming seasons. I was really impressed with Juice Williams (he was throwing the ball so hard that a PSU defensive back couldn't even intercept it *after* a deflection...had a handful of WR drops as well), Rashard Mendenhall, and the corner Davis.

I was unhappy like most of the country to see Notre Dame win. Thank God Michigan beat them so soundly on the road or they'd actually have a chance at the mythical national championship with a win vs. USC and after they win the Commander-in-Chief trophy. I can't see it happening now considering the Michigan beating and with all the teams ahead of them with weak schedules.

I was happy Notre Dame won.

Nobody really cares who you don't like.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:03 am

Pete wrote:Nobody really cares who you don't like.

Really? You cared enough to post. Am I going to have to use the search function to see how you berated others each time they posted about teams they don't like? Or is it OK for people to post that they don't like teams (FSU, Miami, BC, etc.) as long as it's not yours?

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:15 am

Leebo33 wrote:
Pete wrote:Nobody really cares who you don't like.
Really? You cared enough to post. Am I going to have to use the search function to see how you berated others each time they posted about teams they don't like? Or is it OK for people to post that they don't like teams (FSU, Miami, BC, etc.) as long as it's not yours?

It is nothing against you, Leebo, I just don't see the logic in hating other teams. I root for ND and against the team they are playing. That's it.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:24 am

Pete wrote:It is nothing against you, Leebo, I just don't see the logic in hating other teams. I root for ND and against the team they are playing. That's it.

Fair enough, although you certainly aren't like the ND fans I've met here in PA and 99% of fans of any sport. Are you like that in all sports? What is so illogical about hating other teams? I can't imagine Yankee fans not hating the Red Sox, Steelers fans not hating the Browns, Ohio State fans not hating Michigan, etc. It seems like sports would be pretty dull without rivalries. I can't imagine watching a baseball game and not rooting against the Yankees. Hell, I'd *LOVE* it if people cared enough to hate the Pirates some day. The opposite of love is apathy.

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:58 am

Leebo33 wrote:
Pete wrote:It is nothing against you, Leebo, I just don't see the logic in hating other teams. I root for ND and against the team they are playing. That's it.
Fair enough, although you certainly aren't like the ND fans I've met here in PA and 99% of fans of any sport. Are you like that in all sports? What is so illogical about hating other teams? I can't imagine Yankee fans not hating the Red Sox, Steelers fans not hating the Browns, Ohio State fans not hating Michigan, etc. It seems like sports would be pretty dull without rivalries. I can't imagine watching a baseball game and not rooting against the Yankees. Hell, I'd *LOVE* it if people cared enough to hate the Pirates some day. The opposite of love is apathy.

Don't get me wrong. In my younger days, there was a lot of hate. But now that I am older, I realize that it doesn't really matter. Sports is entertainment, you are suppose to enjoy it and I don't enjoy hating other teams, players.

Maybe because the teams I root for have been average for a while now. Reds, Raiders, Celtics, Irish. That might be the reason. If the Celtics played the Lakers for the Championship again, I am sure I could conjer up some ill feelings for them.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:08 am

Pete:

Part of the entertainment is rooting FOR and AGAINST teams. That's part of the drama of sports. Only rooting for teams borders on apathy for me.

You seriously don't have intense dislike for any of your favorite teams' rivals? You are one peace-loving man.

I'm with Leebo. Any weekend that Notre Dame loses is a good one for me. Unlike Leebo, any weekend that Notre Dame and Penn State lose and Syracuse and Michigan win -- which doesn't happen very often thanks to SU! -- is a GREAT college football weekend for me.

Take care,
PK

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:53 am

I just think it's great when anyone hates Penn State and cares about their results. I couldn't even tell you what Syracuse's record is

I think we have to define the word *hate* as well. I hate the Ravens, Yankees, Cowboys, etc. on the field but I would never wish ill will towards their players in *real* life. Even though I root against Charlie Weis and think he has an ego bigger than his gut, I'm sure he's going to be a good influence on a lot of kids' lives and would be very proud if my boys played there some day.

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:00 pm

pk500 wrote:Pete:

Part of the entertainment is rooting FOR and AGAINST teams. That's part of the drama of sports. Only rooting for teams borders on apathy for me.

You seriously don't have intense dislike for any of your favorite teams' rivals? You are one peace-loving man.

I'm with Leebo. Any weekend that Notre Dame loses is a good one for me. Unlike Leebo, any weekend that Notre Dame and Penn State lose and Syracuse and Michigan win -- which doesn't happen very often thanks to SU! -- is a GREAT college football weekend for me.

Take care,
PK

Peace, Love, Dope.

For the last 5 years or so I have played softball with a dude that played football at Syracuse. Good, down to earth guy, good athlete. Well I did some research on him and he was quite a player. Bob Grosvenor. Played in the '93 Fiesta Bowl and had a pick on Kordell. Also, had 6 picks during the '92 regular season.

Anyways, that's my connection with Syracuse football. Seems like it is taking them longer than I thought to get good again. They had some fine teams, good players.

Jackdog · Post by **Jackdog** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:14 pm

As for college football I hate the Buckeyes,Spartans,Irish,Pac 10 and any team that plays in Florida.

Go Blue!!!

Pete, I am down with peace,love and dope.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:43 pm

Hating is a consolation thing, as in "if my team can't win, at least their rivals aren't going to win."

That's why people take glee with the Yankees failing to win the WS. Yankees are the rivals of every team in baseball since they're so much richer than anyone else.

But also being at the top of the heap draws that hate out. It's the case for OSU right now and was the case a few years ago for Miami.

I wasn't a big fan of the Patriots and never paid much attention to Weiss. But you have to give him credit for doing a lot more with second-tier talent than Willingham did. But there's so much he can do with his NFL offense against teams which just are better at every position.

There will be even more hate for ND when he starts getting better talent to compete against the Michigans every year.

Zlax45 · Post by **Zlax45** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:07 pm

I went to FSU this weekend for the BC game and had a great time...Had nothing to do with BC winning but Tallahassee was real fun.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:20 pm

If USC goes down today in Corvallis, why bother this season with the BCS? The National Championship game will be Nov. 18 in Columbus.

I'm only half-joking, too!

Take care,
PK

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:52 pm

pk500 wrote:If USC goes down today in Corvallis, why bother this season with the BCS? The National Championship game will be Nov. 18 in Columbus.

I'm only half-joking, too!

Take care,
PK

Even if USC wins. The two best teams in the country, will meet in Columbus on Nov. 18th.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:11 pm

OSU tried so hard to blow it. Kicker misses a kick to put away the game, punter fumbles the ball to give USC an easy scoring opportunity and then fails to pin USC back.

Well USC should get back on track vs. Stanford. Oregon, Cal and ND won't sneak up on SC, which will still likely play in a BCS bowl. Considering all the talent which left to go to the NFL, that's still pretty damn good.