OT (sort of): Why should (or shouldn't) I get a 360 now?

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OT (sort of): Why should (or shouldn't) I get a 360 now?

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Basically, the title explains it all. Now that I've moved and started a new job, I've been thinking about getting a 360. Currently have an XBox and PS2 (almost exclusively used for imports). However, there are a lot of factors that are making me wait.

1) The lukewarm reception to NCAA and Madden. My hope was that games in the next gen football titles would not only have better graphics, but also show some serious improvement in AI and the like. When I'm hearing that the AI is better on the XBox version of NCAA compared to the 360 version, I worry a bit (especially since I have some problems with the NCAA XBox AI). And when I hear that Madden 360 isn't great...I wonder if it's worth it to get a 360 now for average football titles.

2) A possible holiday price drop, or (more likely) the introduction of a better premium SKU (larger hard drive).

3) Region lock. This may not be important for most, but it looks like the PS3 won't have any region lock, while the 360 does. I import quite a bit (soccer games), and this is somewhat important.

4) The release of the PS3 in the fall. Getting both consoles is not an option, and there's the slight fear that (somehow) the PS3 will be much better in some unknown dimension that's important.

So basically, how happy are you 360 owners with what you have. Would you suggest buying now? Waiting until after the PS3 release/holiday season?
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There probably won't be a price cut this year. In 2007, they're suppose to go to lower-cost chips, at which point they would be able to cut prices.

There are rumors of a future SKU with an HD-DVD drive built-in. Again, probably next year.

Looks like the differences will come down to which exclusive games you prefer, Halo or GT and various others. Don't think there will be any sports games exclusives of note other than MLB probably.

It would be nice if Madden 360 really did stand apart from the current gen. versions. For many, it does and for others, it has many of the same Madden problems.

That probably won't change with the PS3 version. Maybe never. There will always be suction blocking, poor pass defense AI/ball physics, big All-Pro LBs getting pancaked but little CBs putting kill shots on much bigger RBs.

PS3 launch lineup isn't known at this point so fall of 07 may be a better time to get it, if you decide that is what you want. Of course EA will have their games on it this fall/winter but they don't seem to be must-haves.
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Post by Inuyasha »

I would wait. I don't see owning either next gen system is a necessity right now. I am still enjoying gaming on ps2 and xbox for sports games. The only thing you may miss is that it seems everyone on xbox live is on the 360.
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I am in the same boat. I think I am going to wait to see how the
360 hockey and hoops game reviews are and then decide.

Inuyasha wrote:I would wait. I don't see owning either next gen system is a necessity right now. I am still enjoying gaming on ps2 and xbox for sports games. The only thing you may miss is that it seems everyone on xbox live is on the 360.
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I am completely happy with my 360 purchase. The console's interface is so good I almost cry when I throw a game in the old Xbox.

1. Sometimes I wonder if I'm playing the same games as some people as I find NCAA and Madden on the 360 very good. There's still some niggling flaws that they haven't addressed (suction blocking) but I have noticed more of an adaptive AI. I've never really felt like the cpu has ever adapted to what I've done defensively before but they do in NCAA and Madden. They still don't seem to do it as well on defense though.

2. There won't be a price drop when the PS3 hits. That would be a great move on Microsoft's part but it doesn't look likely at this point. Of course why would they leak that information and slow down sales now?

3. I don't know much about the region locking on the 360 but I do know that there are games that aren't affected by it.

4. I have yet to play a PS3 but after spending almost a year with the 360 I would be absolutely shocked if the PS3 provided a better online service, console interface, and a drastic graphical leap.

The PS3 is the first console I have no inclination to run out and buy on launch day since the PS1 released. The $600 price tag is what did it in for me. If it launched at $400 I'd likely have it reserved right now. Hell, if Blu-ray was the only new disc format I'd pay the $600 and look at it as $400 for a PS3 and $200 for a blu-ray player, but until the format wars declare a winner I'm staying as far away as possible from HD-DVD and Blu-ray.

I guess if you're hesitant you shouldn't rush your decision. I would suggest trying to spend some time with a 360 now and see if you like it.
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Its all about the games in my opinion, and in that respect I couldn't be any happier with the 360. I don't think there is any question that the software lineup in the 360's first 9 months is far beyond any other console's first year lineup.

If games like PGR3, Oblivion, Dead Rising, Top Spin, Table Tennis, NBA 2k6, Kameo, Ghost Recon, COD 2, Xbox Live Arcade games, and PDZ (Multiplayer) look good I wouldn't question a 360 purchase. There are also quite a few titles coming out this holiday that look really strong. If you are looking at just NCAA or Madden then I don't know that picking up a 360 is all that great of an idea. While I am enjoying Madden 07, it is by no means enough of a leap over current gen. games to make a $300 - $400 console purchase.
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btmmayor wrote:Its all about the games in my opinion, and in that respect I couldn't be any happier with the 360. I don't think there is any question that the software lineup in the 360's first 9 months is far beyond any other console's first year lineup.
Not sure what you're talking about here, as I think the PSX, Dreamcast, and original Xbox all had better games available after 9 months. And probably a lot more systems older than that. Most of those games you threw out are rehash city. I think the software is what's keeping the 360's sales so far behind what M$ projected, because the hardware and Xbox Live Arcade are dynamite. No Halo, Gears of Wars or Splinter Cell yet obviously isn't helping. And still same old Xbox 1 problems.. almost all action games and few kids'/niche titles.

At this point, I think it's a no brainer to wait to see what PS3 does with the launch less than 3 months away. Keep in mind that when the launch is and when you actually could get your hands on a PS3 could end up being months apart. And then you have to go through the PS3's initial software slump too.
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Post by wco81 »

Well just saw a Fry's ad for the X360 Premium and Madden 07 for $430.

Softens the blow a bit.
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I haven't had any regrets about getting a 360, and I think there is a strong argument to be made for grabbing one. NCAA is good and Madden is excellent. I can say without having played it that NBA2K7 will be the best basketball game ever made, simply based on how sublime 2K6 was. I am very encouraged by how good FIFA:WC was on the 360, and you can play WE as a backwards compatible title, so the 360 is already as good or better than any other console for soccer, and that's before you consider that next-gen WE and a new FIFA engine are both due on the 360 shortly. And that's just sports titles. I still play COD2 to this day, Oblivion is one of the best games of its kind, and while I was underwhelmed by GR:AW, I know the game has a big following.
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If an MVP baseball had been developed for the 360 I would have bought one.

If an NFL 2k had been developed for the 360 I would have ran to the store (That game would have been so damn good).

As it stands right now I'll stick with the XBOX and occasionally play on a friends 360.

NBA 2k7 should be solid again but it's not enough for me to buy a new system. Hopefully Halo 3 is amazing otherwise I'm not sure when I'll own one.

I need atleast two games that blow me away, and hopefully NBA 2k7 and Halo are enough.
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No regrets at all. I purchased on launch day and can't bring myself to even play the Xbox anymore, just based on the new menu's, gamerpoints (makes me want to finish games that I would have normally sent back to GameFly much earlier) and of course HDTV.

If you have a HDTV, it's a no brainer. Once you start playin 360 games on a HDTV, it will become VERY hard to play PS2 or Xbox again. The graphics are simply that much better, overwelmingly so.

No HDTV though, and it's not going to have as big of an impact.
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Post by Diablo25 »

I love mine and think its a superb system. Absolutely no regrets. The wave of games coming in the next few months, whether it be sports (Madden, NBALive/2K7, NHL2K7/07) or non sports games (Saints Row, HL2, COD3, etc.) is exciting. It would be a great time to grab one IMO.
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Like Jared,

I've been looking at buying a 360 for some time now. Thre things have held up a purchase - lack of really compelling games, my reasonable (2.4 gig) PC, and my lack of an HDTV. When it comes down to it, it's really the combination of the PC and lack of compelling games that is the deciding factor for me as far as holding off on a 360 purchase. I'd likely spring for a small LCD screen to hook the 360 up to if I thought the 360 was worth purchasing. I cannot really justify spending upwards of $2K (Cdn.) for a decent HDTV screen.

Now I mostly play sports (particularly soccer and some NFL) and so far the reaction to the next gen sports games seems to have been somewhat underwhelming. Right now I can play the Korean version of Winning Eleven with a terrific patch for teams etc. and there is simply no reason for me to pick up an unpatched WE 9 for the 360. I'll see closer to release if the next gen FIFA and Winning Eleven look good enough to warrant a purchase of a 360 - and whether comparable engined versions will be available on PC. The other genre I play a bit are strategy games and the offerings on the 360 are pretty limited - particularly compared to the PC. If I didn't have a reasonable PC setup I probably would have migrated to the 360 by now even though the games available are really not that compelling.

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I think WE will show off next gen in terms of AI. Seabass has said over and over again the they are limited by the PS2. Sadly I think WE and Konami are the best at AI. Piss poor at features but they simply blow every other sports game away in terms of AI.
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I've had mine for two weeks and so far, it has been a mixed bag.

As others have said, the interface and Live integration is outstanding. Between the Arcade and downloadable demos, there really is a lot of affordable or free options for some quality entertainment.

But overall it is an expensive machine to own. Two of my three games (Table Tennis and Top Spin 2) were only $40, but the $60 price tag has definitely kept me from purchasing Moto GP 06 and will also keep me from moving out of my gaming "comfort zone" very often. But the free demos really helps.

Backwards compatability is a joke. I think one of my games (Forza) is actually compatable. Just wish they could add any of my favorite XBox games with no real 360 equivalent (either from a genre or quality standpoint)--Rugby 06, MVP NCAA, Indycar 2005, or TOCA.

The graphics are awesome though, no doubt about it. The system looks great on my HDTV. If I didn't have an HD set, then I would have been less enthused about getting one, especially with the problems King Kong and Dead Rising have on a SDTV.

Overall, I'm satisfied. Madden isn't as jaw-droppingly good as I had hoped, but the enjoyment I've gotten out of Top Spin has more than made up for it. Can't wait for Lumines either.
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Jared, after 500 bucks spent and a lukewarm display of "next-Gen" games ( I keep playing the same games COD2, GRAW, Topspin 2 ) while the likes of online games like Table Tennis and PGR have been fun, I am honestly waiting for that "Aha, this is what the 360 is all about". Maybe we'll see it on Halo 3, but I am still waiting for that game that tells me this is what the 360 is all about. Live is great of course but I would have liked to see more demos of important games that were about to be released like Madden 07, and the upcoming NHL 07 and 2K7.

I've been playing Madden 07 and other than the graphics, gameplay wise it's been comparable to the PSP, if not slightly better. For a more expensive console, people thought more details would be included in a 360. Maybe a patch will solve the known issues which for me is the stuttering in the cut scenes and menus. For others is the fatigue issue.

PS3 for $700 is a lot of mula, although there's a great line up of games lining up for Sony. Personally, I've been impressed with the Wii and price wise it'll be in the 360 range or probably less. And they way you may play sports game with the smart controller is something I am really curious about. Can you finally say "innovation"?
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10spro wrote:PS3 for $700 is a lot of mula, although there's a great line up of games lining up for Sony.
What exactly would those games be? MGS? Warhawk? The PS3 lineup at launch seems a joke to me. If people thought the 360 launch lineup and games since have been lackluster, good lord the PS3 lineup is going to get ripped to shreds.
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Danimal, I am not specifically aiming for the launch games but personally if I had the PS3 I would be looking for GT5, MLB, MGS, WE (after all who knows which console has the final rights). But more importantly Sony will have their religious followers from around the world, not matter what game gets released or price cost for that matter.
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I find it interesting that many of us tend to weigh the succcess of a system, myself included, on EA football games. While i'm impressed both with NCAA and Madden, the games that HAVE given me that "wow, this is why i bought a 360" have been GR, COD, Oblivion and believe it or not, Fight Night. This is not to say i've been disappointed with the sports gaming, but when those games were in the machine they gave me the feeling of "i've never played games this engrossing and attractive in all my gaming". To me those experiences, along with enjoying my prefered games of choice, football and hockey games, have more than justified my 360 purchase.

At the same time, $400 is a lot to drop on anything so if you're still up in the air, perhaps waiting a bit longer isn't a bad idea.
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I just can't imagine spending around $700 for the PS3 along with a game and possibly an extra controller. Even for MLB: The Show! That's a little on the ridiculous side. Just my opinion of course.

Also, you have to consider what your game genre of choice is. If it's sports, do you honestly think you're going to see that much better graphics on the PS3 than you do on the 360? I tend to doubt it. Now, you might with some of the other genres, (FPS, RPG, etc) if those types of games interest you.

Addtionally, many games released now no longer have exculsivity to either the 360 or PS3. So, my question then is why would one spend an extra $300 to play the same game on the PS3?

I understand your aprehension. Heck, even I had a bit of buyers remorse after I bought the 360. But, then I realized something. The system hasn't even been out one year, and we already have very quality games. The future looks extremely bright! Yes, Madden isn't fabulous, but it's a marked improvement over the launch title. When I see people trading their 360 in, I just roll my eyes. People are giving up on a system that's still in it's very early stages.

I'm extremely happy with 360. Knock on wood, I haven't had any issues with the system either. Plus, I hear pretty decent reviews when it comes to Microsoft's customer service. I don't know about Sony, but at least they are reacting fast to all those Sony lithium batteries that are in a number of laptops.
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I bought a PS2 at launch and Madden 2001 was *so* disappointing to me. So was NHL. I had much more fun playing those games on N64 and there was certainly nothing in almost the first year that was close to the gameplay of Zelda, Goldeneye, Super Mario 64, etc. The best part about the PS2 for me at launch was playing the games I missed like GT, MGS, and PES. But the PS2 eventually came around and there were great games for it like Eco/Shadow of the Colossus, Winning Eleven, NCAA 2004, recent Maddens, GTA, NBA 2K, College Hoops, God of War, MLB The Show, Guitar Hero, etc. Imagine if we judged the last generation based on the first wave of sports games to hit: the severely flawed Madden, NCAA Football, NHL, FIFA, Triple Play, and NBA Live. Ugh.

In comparison to the PS2 launch, the X360 has been a dream to me. I'm playing or have played:

NBA 2K6 - post-patch the best basketball game I've played
NCAA/Madden 07 - only time will tell but in my short list of favorite football games
Fight Night Round 3 - the best boxing game I've played
COD2 - one of the few console shooters I've finished
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Moto GP3 - my favorite in the series
PGR3 - a rehash and short on car variety but I had a lot of fun with it
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Throw in the XBL interface, great wireless controllers, HD graphics, and the ability to only have short cord for voice communication (with wireless on the way) and I'm blown away by the 360. The games will come. Yeah, if I didn't believe there weren't great cames coming, many that we haven't even heard of yet, then there would be no way to recommend a 360. I just know that is not the case.

The only thing that concerns me about the 360 is the reliability. I would be sure to buy an extended warranty. Other than that it's a no-brainer to me. Sure, the price of games is ridiculous, but I can't see that being any different than PS3 games. I can totally understand people waiting to save money, but I consider myself pretty frugal and I'm still getting my money's worth. I just don't usually pay full price...saved $12 on Madden this week at Circuit City, bought MotoGP on ebay saving $20, used coupons when purchasing Oblivion, etc.
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Post by Jared »

Good responses so far. Here are a few more things to consider re: my situation.

1) A lot of people talked about HD. I've got a 480p (16:9) projector with a 92" Graywolf screen. HD content looks great (the projector has component and HDMI inputs) and I'm sure that 360 games will also look great (even if they're not 1080i).

2) A lot of my friends (DSP and otherwise) have 360s. I've been going online to play NCAA 2007 for the XBox and kind of miss having opponents that aren't 14 year olds. :)

3) Most (but not all) of my gaming is sports games. Great sports gaming will sell a console for me (for instance, I still have my PS2 for the WE series).
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I am a person who doesn't care who makes the system or game(s) - but when purchasing a system, it's all about the games and what you like.

I love my purchase of the 360, but like Jon, I wouldn't have purchased one if I didn't have a way to play in HD... and I agree that once you do, games on my ps2 look horrible and I just can't play them anymore on that system - besides Guitar Hero. :)

There are plenty of good games for the 360 and by that I mean non-sports games. Plus, there are still games coming out on the system I'm anxious about. Maybe it's because I'm getting older, but I'm all about having fun with games like Madden. As long as the gameplay is fun, I'm happy. I play text sims for accurate stats and what not.

Plus, my wife and kids also love the system and how easy it is for my 10 year old to fire it up and play games like pac man, frogger, and bejewled.

If NHL 07 is good, I'll be fighting them for gaming time.
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Jared wrote: 1) A lot of people talked about HD. I've got a 480p (16:9) projector with a 92" Graywolf screen. HD content looks great (the projector has component and HDMI inputs) and I'm sure that 360 games will also look great (even if they're not 1080i).
At my previous home, I had a 119" screen with a 480p (16:9) projector but then upgraded to a 720p projector soon after that. While the 480p projector could accept HD signals and downgrade it to the native resolution (which looked better than native 480p signals), it was still night and day compared to a 720p projector (especially with a 10ft diag. image).

A 360 would look very good on that setup, far better than on a 480i 4:3 SDTV, but it's still going to be a ways off from playing on a native HD display (which I'm sure you're well aware of).
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Addtionally, many games released now no longer have exculsivity to either the 360 or PS3. So, my question then is why would one spend an extra $300 to play the same game on the PS3?
not to mention developers starting to see that financially, it's better for them to make their games across all platforms instead of being an exclusive to one console.
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