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The bit about the academy in FL is interesting. A wealthy nation of 300 million and we can only gestate 35 top players at a time?

Don't Eastern European countries train more than that number for tennis?
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June 23, 2006

For me, the money shot from the 2-1 loss to Ghana that eliminated the U.S. from the World Cup on Thursday wasn't the nonfoul that led to the penalty kick that changed the game's course. It was the first-half picture from an ESPN camera showing, oh, 60 or 70 people in Times Square watching the game on a giant video screen.

Granted, standing on an island in the middle of Broadway for any longer than it takes for the crossing signal to change is generally not a great idea. Still, I've seen bigger crowds there for three-card monte. So what was ESPN thinking? Look everyone! No one's watching the World Cup in Times Square! We're definitely not a soccer nation yet!


As I type this shortly after the U.S.'s depressing exit from the World Cup -- one fortunate tie and two uninspired losses -- it may seem idiotic to say that the ESPN image was a worse representation of American soccer than the team's poor play in Germany. Or that soccer has never been healthier in the U.S. But it's true. So while you enjoy a World Cup free of hype and hope about the U.S. side, here are five ideas to consider about soccer's future in America:

1. Think long term. Very long term.

The hardest thing for people to accept and understand -- longtime fans, soccer haters, the awakening media, the gleefully dismissive European football world -- is that soccer in the U.S. has to be viewed through a lens more suitable for the Hubble telescope than for our nearsighted sports culture.

By long term, I don't mean the next World Cup. We're talking generations. There is no reason whatsoever that the U.S. should have been considered likely to repeat its performance of four years ago, when it backed into the second round, defeated (as it should have) neighboring Mexico and lost valiantly to Germany in the quarterfinals. And that has nothing to do with being drawn, along with Italy, the Czech Republic and Ghana, into the toughest four-nation group in the field this time around.

Why? The U.S. is still in the absolute infancy of its life as a soccer country. Think about it. In 1990 -- not that long ago -- the U.S. Soccer Federation sent college kids to play at the World Cup, for which the country had not qualified in 40 years. The U.S. was literally one of the weakest national soccer teams in the world.

Short-term thinking is understandable in the screaming in-game chat rooms on Big Soccer, where players are vilified or praised based on their last touch of the ball. But even the emerging class of Big Thinkers about soccer have trouble getting it. Writing about the U.S., Dave Eggers produced the smarmiest piece in "The Thinking Fans's Guide to the World Cup," which assessed soccer in each of the 32 finalist countries. Mr. Eggers made one valid point (that Americans haven't embraced soccer because we didn't invent it, but that's only part of the history) but mostly he fell back on old tropes about the hordes of soccer-playing kids who give up the sport at age 12. Over at another intellectual soccer pub, the New Republic's World Cup blog, after the Ghana match, Brian Sinkoff pondered U.S. coach Bruce Arena's lineups and formations and concluded: "Was the run to the quarterfinals in 2002 a fluke? I'm sure beginning to think so!"

Beginning to think so? Of course it was! The U.S.'s raw talent didn't justify the result. But that happens in soccer; South Korea and Turkey reached the semifinals in 2002, and they're not global soccer powers, either. It's natural to have expected more of this U.S. team; the emotions of the World Cup make believers of every face-painting, flag-waving, passport-holding citizen. But rational fans knew better.

When the U.S. wins its first World Cup in 2022 or 2026 or 2030, and plays beautifully doing it, no one will remember that a team from a generation earlier stunk it up in Gelsenkirchen and Kaiserslautern and Nuremberg.

2. Making world-class soccer players takes decades.

This may be a difficult concept to accept in a nation that put a man on the moon lickety split, but it's true. That the U.S. has developed as many internationally capable players as it has in the last decade and a half -- more than 50 Americans play in Europe now -- is impressive. But there's a World Cup of difference between creating competent players and creating brilliant ones.

The most glaring contrast between the U.S. and the soccer powers in the World Cup was the Americans' lack of strong, aggressive, confident midfielders and forwards -- the guys who take over games, who convert the rare and crucial opportunities. So far in this tournament, I've seen it in players like Steven Gerrard and Joe Cole of England in the 2-2 tie against Sweden, Arjen Robben in a 1-0 win over Serbia and Miroslav Klose of Germany in every game. The U.S. just doesn't have anyone who compares.

Why not? The reasons are numerous -- too many other dominant sports; limited exposure to great soccer; no true soccer tradition; an inadequate development system. Also, the sport is just hard. Touch, feel, vision, intuition—all are more central, and difficult to master, in a freewheeling, unscripted game played on a huge field than they are in other sports. In other sports, kids learn that casually -- often on playgrounds against older, better players.

That will be extremely hard to overcome. There's some good news, though. Forget the volume of kids who play peewee soccer. Quality coaching for the best ones is spreading, in the form of Americans who played growing up and ubiquitous soccer camps that import young Brits and Mexicans and Argentines to blow whistles. More important, the U.S. is beginning to develop the feeder system that's basic to European soccer, which plucks the best prepubescent boys for youth teams run by the professional clubs. About 200 players ages 14 to 17 play for youth teams affiliated with the New York Red Bulls of Major League Soccer.

But there isn't yet the structure or money for a truly expansive national program. About 35 high-school-aged players live, train and attend school full-time at a U.S. national-team program in Bradenton, Fla. "There are another 1,000 guys across this country as good as those 35," says Ivan Gazidis, MLS's deputy commissioner.

In Europe, no soccer prospect would consider going to college. In the U.S. many players don't have a choice, which soccer executives I've talked to believe is an impediment to player development (because intercollegiate competition is too weak). In his New York Times column on Thursday, David Brooks noted that most of the U.S. team players went to college, while their World Cup counterparts on other teams didn't. His larger point is that the U.S. has a great university system that gives it an edge over Europe in the real world. But he seems to assume that the trend will continue in soccer. It won't.

3. America can join the world elite without becoming a traditional soccer nation.

The sport will never -- not ever, no matter what -- supplant football, baseball or basketball as the primary objects of American sporting affections. That's OK. In order to field steadily better international teams, it doesn't need to.

But it does need to create a wider soccer culture. My nonscientific observation is that this World Cup is yielding more media coverage and more general interest in the U.S. than any before. My nonscientific explanation is that a lot of those soccer-playing kids are in their 20s and 30s now and happy to follow the world's biggest sporting event. How else to explain that "The Thinking Fan's Guide to the World Cup" is No. 21 on the New York Times's extended bestseller list this week?

So the creation of a modified soccer culture -- broad interest, but not Fate of the Nation stuff -- appears inevitable. To maximize its impact on the U.S.'s international standing, it would be helpful if some of that were transferred to professional soccer here. The domestic league, MLS, is enjoying a growth spurt. But for it to have significant impact on the development of U.S. talent, MLS will have to reach the point where it can pay players wages commensurate with those in Europe, so it becomes a net importer of international talent, so the level of play rises and helps American players get better.

What will it take? Consistent, golf-or-basketball-sized national TV audiences. A full complement of soccer-only stadiums. Enough great American players to sell to the rich European teams to fund marquee imports who will attract crowds. MLS is nowhere near that yet, and if even if it reaches those goals in however many years, it won't transform the U.S. into a soccer-first country. But it will ensure the U.S. can compete credibly and consistently against Germany, Italy and Brazil -- and Switzerland, Greece and Ecuador. If Argentina can win Olympic gold in men's basketball, the U.S. can certainly become a global force in men's soccer.

4. The soccer know-nothings will be extinct soon enough.

Even as this World Cup gets good-sized TV audiences -- eight million or more for some games if you total viewers on ABC/ESPN and Spanish-language Univision -- you can still feel the uncertainty surrounding soccer's presentation. Because soccer has never "broken through" in TV terms, there's a belief among network executives that it has to be presented "differently."

How else to explain Brent Musberger -- exemplar of mainstream American sports broadcasting circa 1985 -- handling studio duties on ABC? Or this comment in USA Today last week by one of ESPN's play-by-play announcers in Germany, Dave O'Brien: "There's kind of a petulant little clique of soccer fans. There's not many of them, but they're mean-spirited … And they're not really the audience we want to reach anyway."

As the New Republic blog noted, alienating core viewers doesn't seem like a smart way to build interest in your product. That may explain why a lot of soccer fans click over to Univision for the World Cup, even if they don't speak Spanish.

The belief that soccer needs to be Americanized for it to succeed is outdated. ESPN executives talk about using more stats, graphics and ``storytelling'' as ways to lure soccer-ambivalent fans. Don't fix what isn't broken. It only makes the U.S. look silly.

Again, this is a generational issue. In one or two or three more World Cups, ESPN won't have to tap a "baseball guy," as Mr. O'Brien described himself to USA Today, to call the World Cup. There will plenty of capable soccer guys to handle the job.

5. What the rest of the world thinks doesn't matter.

To generalize geopolitically, which is what writers on soccer like to do (and as I've done), the U.S. has a rare and justifiable underdog complex in soccer, in which the soccer establishment luxuriates.


Inside the business, there are two deeply held, and spreading, beliefs among European soccer heavies. First, the U.S. market is ripe for sucking a few million bucks from summer tours because there are enough knowledgeable or curious fans to fill a few football stadiums to watch Manchester United or Real Madrid. Second, there is enough potential talent running around on suburban greenswards to merit extensive scouting, wooing and, if necessary, buying.

But there's little respect for the U.S. domestic product on the field. "Either MLS is ignored, which it mostly is, or it's criticized," says Jeff L'Hote, an American who works as a soccer industry consultant in the U.S. and Europe.

Outside of the business of soccer, when it's considered at all, U.S. soccer as an entity is a source of ridicule, never mind the Americans on European rosters. The Fiver column in England's Guardian newspaper on Thursday described the U.S. team or particular players variously as ``totally incompetent," "butcher boys," "plodsome" and "highly fallible."

Though I'd go with "comparatively incompetent" to describe the U.S. performance, Fiver isn't wrong at all. But, because the subject is the U.S., it is gleefully uncharitable. It's also irrelevant to the more important, and more, um, plodsome, conversation about the sport's future.

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Another thoughtful piece on the same topic.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/st ... us&cc=5901
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we've just got to get better coaches at a youth level. That will take a generation. That's just FACT.
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Interesting piece about the ODP.

I don't know if it's always true that kids from more humble backgrounds are more driven to succeed in sports. In one sense, I guess the kids from affluent suburban families who play soccer have other options in life.

Or maybe soccer for some of them is little more than a diversion or an extra-curricular activity.

But talent is not confined to a particular socioeconomic class, although greater percentage of the population in any country is from the lower classes.

In basketball, a talented kid from a poor background will often get placed in wealthy private schools which have big basketball programs. I'm not sure if there are govt. programs which fund tuition and board for these kids or if some of these private schools are able to fundraise on their own to subsidize those kids.

It still seems to come down to not enough money being made in soccer in this country. As poor as the MLS is compared to NFL, MLB and NBA, how does it stack up with the Argentine and Brazilian leagues? I'm sure those leagues are very popular in those countries but how well are players in those leagues paid?

You hear talk about Beckham possibly coming to the MLS later in his career but whoud that really make the MLS that much more popular?
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If beckham played in the MLS i might start watching. It'd be interesting to watch US players play against him and how they would play with him. He'd make the whole league better.
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The great athletes in other countries generally play soccer. The great athletes in the U.S. generally play basketball, football, and baseball.
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I think Beckham would be marketing gold for MLS, but he's not the kind of player that would make the play on the field better around him. Any team would love to have him in MLS, but what would the quality of play in MLS better would be the midfield maestro/number 10 types that were brought in at the league's inception...Etcheverry, Valderrama, Nowak, etc.

About the soccer academy in FL (the bradenton program), it will never match what is going on in Europe because it is one national program. In Europe teen development is all controlled by the clubs, and one program, no matter how well run or well funded can touch dozens of revered youth systems at different clubs abroad per country.
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Naples39 wrote:I think Beckham would be marketing gold for MLS, but he's not the kind of player that would make the play on the field better around him. Any team would love to have him in MLS, but what would the quality of play in MLS better would be the midfield maestro/number 10 types that were brought in at the league's inception...Etcheverry, Valderrama, Nowak, etc.

About the soccer academy in FL (the bradenton program), it will never match what is going on in Europe because it is one national program. In Europe teen development is all controlled by the clubs, and one program, no matter how well run or well funded can touch dozens of revered youth systems at different clubs abroad per country.
Agreed re: Beckham. In a lot of ways he would be great for MLS in that he would draw crazy attention. However, in other ways he could be the worst thing to happen, in that I don't think he's all that good outside of his dead ball strikes, and thus the result of the added attention could be a major backfire, much like the Freddy Adu deal when the know-nothings like Kornheiser etc. expected Michael Jordan the 7-year veteran when the reality was the league wanted to keep the kid from going to a big club's youth system.

For my money, the key to player development will be the ability of the MLS clubs to build well-run player development systems themselves, systems whose goal is to produce players that can perform at the next level, not to win games in U-15 or U-17 competitions. It will take quite a long time, but already headway is being made in several MLS cities.
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FatPitcher wrote:The great athletes in other countries generally play soccer. The great athletes in the U.S. generally play basketball, football, and baseball.
Most of the other countries also have a much smaller population from which to draw, which washes out that argument to a degree. Plus I despise that argument because it insinuates that soccer players are lesser athletes than baseball, basketball and football players, which is one of the larger crocks of sh*t I can imagine.

There is no reason why a nation of 300 million people in the greatest economic superpower in the world can't build a world-class soccer program in due time. I mention economics because that is vital to building an infrastructure, both in facilities, coaching and training.

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I don't agree with some of the orginal post. This isn't hard to figure out.

1) Professionally bound youth don't play soccer.

If Todd Helton, Dwayne Wade and say Marvin Harrison went into soccer and not their respective sports, how good would the US team be? Not saying that all are cut out to play soccer but you either have to be dedicated to playing the sport to not get lured away to the big 3. MLS cannot compete with the other sports in getting talent. I think the entire world knows this about the US. This isn't like Brazil where you have soccer and very little else. I think this is why the world is fearful of the potential of US soccer.

2) The US has one of the best academy systems in the world - it's called High School and NCAA. This unique system only exists in the US and the problem isn't the system, its the talent pool left after the big 3 or 4 get their take.

3. The MLS almost collasped in the early years. Remember the strange format it had when it started? I think that set MLS back 5 years in terms of focusing on youth talent. Instead they had to focus on the survival of the league.

4. Soccer needs to be be TV more. When the Boox Allen Classic gets to be on ABC and a world cup game between Mexico and Argentina is on cable, you aren't exposing the sport. If Arena football which is a quasi sport, can be on national TV, why can't MLS?

5. We should model ourselves like Brazil. Okay we aren't going to copy all of their talent but they don't suffer from having a weaker domestic league, yet strong international players.
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I love mls. I'm glad it's here. I go to probably 10-15 games a year.

that said, I agree with what bruce arena said after the cup that for usa to succeed, our players have to succeed in europe. they just can't get to a world cup level playing in mls.

it's not that different than players in every country but the big 4 of england, spain, italy and germany. you have to have your key players succeed in those leagues.

as americans are exposed more to us national team soccer and see that our best players play in europe (and have to), they'll pay more attention to those leagues, and our expectations will rise, but they'll rise realistically.

this year's team had too tough a group and too little world class talent. most of the players that beat us played in the big leagues (koller, rosicky, nedved, all of italy and essien).

interestingly, one could argue the same about mexico. they'll realize eventually, as borgetti and marquez show, for them to ever go beyond the round of 16, their players will have to succeed in the big 4.
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vanburen wrote:I love mls. I'm glad it's here. I go to probably 10-15 games a year.

that said, I agree with what bruce arena said after the cup that for usa to succeed, our players have to succeed in europe. they just can't get to a world cup level playing in mls.

it's not that different than players in every country but the big 4 of england, spain, italy and germany. you have to have your key players succeed in those leagues.

as americans are exposed more to us national team soccer and see that our best players play in europe (and have to), they'll pay more attention to those leagues, and our expectations will rise, but they'll rise realistically.

this year's team had too tough a group and too little world class talent. most of the players that beat us played in the big leagues (koller, rosicky, nedved, all of italy and essien).

interestingly, one could argue the same about mexico. they'll realize eventually, as borgetti and marquez show, for them to ever go beyond the round of 16, their players will have to succeed in the big 4.
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JRod wrote:I don't agree with some of the orginal post. This isn't hard to figure out.

1) Professionally bound youth don't play soccer.

If Todd Helton, Dwayne Wade and say Marvin Harrison went into soccer and not their respective sports, how good would the US team be? Not saying that all are cut out to play soccer but you either have to be dedicated to playing the sport to not get lured away to the big 3. MLS cannot compete with the other sports in getting talent. I think the entire world knows this about the US. This isn't like Brazil where you have soccer and very little else. I think this is why the world is fearful of the potential of US soccer.

2) The US has one of the best academy systems in the world - it's called High School and NCAA. This unique system only exists in the US and the problem isn't the system, its the talent pool left after the big 3 or 4 get their take.

3. The MLS almost collasped in the early years. Remember the strange format it had when it started? I think that set MLS back 5 years in terms of focusing on youth talent. Instead they had to focus on the survival of the league.

4. Soccer needs to be be TV more. When the Boox Allen Classic gets to be on ABC and a world cup game between Mexico and Argentina is on cable, you aren't exposing the sport. If Arena football which is a quasi sport, can be on national TV, why can't MLS?

5. We should model ourselves like Brazil. Okay we aren't going to copy all of their talent but they don't suffer from having a weaker domestic league, yet strong international players.
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Just to come back on a few of your points

1. It's not quite true that other countries just have soccer. England, for example, has long established and professional leagues in cricket, 2 varieties of rugby etc, and there are Europe-wide competitions in a whole variety of professional sports (turning on Eurosport this week, I found Basketball and Handball competitions).

2. The problem with that academy system is that the players come out too old. Most professional players in Europe start training with clubs around 12-15 yrs old, are part of the professional staff by 17, and often playing for the first team not long after - last year, Man City played 5 different players under 20 in EPL games. Professional clubs aren't as interested in players getting an education, whether it be genuine or sham, as the NCAA is.

3. As with all US sports, I think that development is really hampered by the franchise structure, which rewards mediocrity by allowing it to perpetuate with no penalty, or even a bonus via the draft. For example, the MLB season is not quite half way through, but there must be teams whose fans have already written the season off. Without relegation, what exactly are they playing for now ?

4. The Brazilian league is perhaps not the best example, as it is a complete shambles for much of the time. Most of the teams are bust or close to it, managerial turnover is sky high, and the league is constantly changing its rules and regulations. During the 90's, the rules about relegation were changed 3 years in a row..each time to the benefit of one of the old, well-established clubs (I can't quite recall which, but Fluminese ring a bell..).
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Dave,

1. True Enland has other sports. However you don't have 4 or 5 huge sports that take the top youth talent. There are quite a few athletes that play 2 or 3 sports in high school, play two sports in college and then choose one of the major 3 to play. The US has its top youth talent focused on football, basketball or baseball.

3. True. We'll never have that. Baseball could set up a 3 or 4 division system. But the owners would never want to have their club demoted to a lower tier. Take your Bengals, they would have been in Division 1, a decade ago.

4. Ya, I know about Brazil's league problems. Brazil isn't the best example but the US can still have a weaker league with its stars playing in europe.
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JRod wrote:Dave,

3. True. We'll never have that. Baseball could set up a 3 or 4 division system. But the owners would never want to have their club demoted to a lower tier. Take your Bengals, they would have been in Division 1, a decade ago.
Only if Div 1 was as low as it went :wink:

Seriously, if they ever turn the Premiership into a franchise with no relegation, I'd stop bothering with it even if City were in it.
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And dont forget High school ends at 15/16 in england , unless its changed.
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No, that's still the same. However, 70% of school leavers now go on to Further Education colleges, which usually takes 2 years.

Most football clubs will sign kids to youth contracts at 16, which have them attending an FE College part time and training part time.
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Interesting take on some potential Arean replacements:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/st ... s1&cc=5901
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RobVarak wrote:Interesting take on some potential Arean replacements:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/st ... s1&cc=5901
Aryan? Well, if it is Klinsmann that could be a prescient typo.

Interesting article. I don't know enough about the candidates to have a real preference, other than some of the in-house names at the top of the article would convey a "same old, same old" attitude at US Soccer.
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Jimmydeicide wrote:And dont forget High school ends at 15/16 in england , unless its changed.
I think 16 is when they just aren't required to attend anymore. After that you have the whole "A-level" thing for 2 years and then you apply for University.
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RobVarak wrote:Interesting take on some potential Arean replacements:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/st ... s1&cc=5901
Bradley and Klinnsman are the only ones on that list that make me hopeful.
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fsquid wrote:
RobVarak wrote:Interesting take on some potential Arean replacements:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/st ... s1&cc=5901
Bradley and Klinnsman are the only ones on that list that make me hopeful.
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Zlax45 wrote:
fsquid wrote:
RobVarak wrote:Interesting take on some potential Arean replacements:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/st ... s1&cc=5901
Bradley and Klinnsman are the only ones on that list that make me hopeful.
Nicol is my man and I want him to take the job remember that Gulati hired Steve Nicol.
Nicol is also a former Owl, although in the latter part of his career.
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Jimmydeicide wrote:And dont forget High school ends at 15/16 in england , unless its changed.
I think 16 is when they just aren't required to attend anymore. After that you have the whole "A-level" thing for 2 years and then you apply for University.
Indeed - 16-18s who stay in education (currently about 70%, but targeted to rise) can opt to do extra academic qualifications (A-Levels) then on to university, or vocational qualifications to better equip them for the modern workplace.

Proportion of 18+ students in the UK attending university is now between 40 and 50%
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