OT: JJ Redick

TheGamer · Post by **TheGamer** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:44 pm

anybody see this?

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/ ... _arrested/

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:54 pm

Do NBA GM's even care? He's just going to be a spot up shooter anyway, so it's not like they are losing a can't miss prospect. Way to shoot your own draft stock in the foot JJ. You were already a marginal NBA player, now he's a marginal NBA player with a rap sheet.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:57 pm

JJ Redick = Steve Alford

Take care,
PK

bdunn13 · Post by **bdunn13** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:14 pm

JJ can do something most NBA players can't..... SHOOT!

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:17 pm

bdunn13 wrote:JJ can do something most NBA players can't..... SHOOT!

The only problem is that he can't create his own shot. See the tourney for the best example of JJ's limitations. He disappeared when teams stuck a decent defender with a little more strength and height than him. He will not make it in the NBA since most of the players are bigger and stronger than him.

rubba19 · Post by **rubba19** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:23 pm

pk500 wrote:JJ Redick = Steve Alford

Take care,
PK

I was thinking more about the likes of Steve Kerr. JJ will be an adequate NBA player, nothing more...unless he comes out and says he was drunk all the time and sobers up becoming the next Chris Mullin.

sfz_T-car · Post by **sfz_T-car** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:34 pm

I'm not a big fan of Mullin as the W's GM, but I don't think Redick's upside is anywhere near Chris'. Redick is a spot up shooter. Mullin could do that but had a much better all-around game. In spite of his athletic limitations, he could create his own shot. Mullin was also an excellent passer, regularly averaging 5+ assists from the #3 spot.

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:58 pm

Redick is not in any way shape or form a spot up shooter... he can shoot at any angle, moving or fading, without difficulty, and he can create his own shot within reason (he's not going to shoot 20 foot fadeaways ala Kobe). There is no way a spot up shooter is going to average 27 points a game. Comparing him to Steve Kerr is a joke. He is, like db said, going to have trouble in the NBA because he is small for a shooting guard and small shooting guards have nightmares trying to score in the NBA (except for Wade, but he is a bit of a freak with his arms and leaping ability, he plays closer to 6'6"). Redick *is* a deadly shooter with legit skills and he can be a useful player in the right role.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:47 pm

You think Reddick might have hurt the Mavs more for doubling Shaq? Than Posey, Walker and Payton?

In the right situation, he could be an effective role player to space the floor. He's got to shoot 40% from distance though.

He seems to have a much quicker release than I recall Alford having. Alford needed double picks on the baseline at IU.

No reason he couldn't have a journeyman career of decent length. Plenty of guys in the NBA who can't create their own shot. Of course, he'd have difficulties trying to defend a lot of 2s in the league.

Thing he's got to work on is playing some time at 1, so he's matched up against smaller defenders he might have a better chance to shoot against. He may not have the handles though.

sfz_T-car · Post by **sfz_T-car** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:22 pm

There's little doubt Redick is a good enough shooter to have a decent NBA career. The question is whether a NBA GM will be willing to spend a lottery pick on him. The DUI isn't going to help him in terms of the draft, although falling in the draft could work out to help him in the long run by placing him in a better situation/role with more realistic expectations.

kevinpars · Post by **kevinpars** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:00 pm

Coach K had better get his program under control because he is heading down the same road as Bob Huggins!

Boom · Post by **Boom** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:25 pm

The only problem is that he can't create his own shot

So you let an excellent PG create it for him. Nash does it all the time for the Suns. What's the big deal?

backbreaker · Post by **backbreaker** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:52 pm

Kazuya wrote:Redick is not in any way shape or form a spot up shooter... he can shoot at any angle, moving or fading, without difficulty, and he can create his own shot within reason (he's not going to shoot 20 foot fadeaways ala Kobe). There is no way a spot up shooter is going to average 27 points a game. Comparing him to Steve Kerr is a joke. He is, like db said, going to have trouble in the NBA because he is small for a shooting guard and small shooting guards have nightmares trying to score in the NBA (except for Wade, but he is a bit of a freak with his arms and leaping ability, he plays closer to 6'6"). Redick *is* a deadly shooter with legit skills and he can be a useful player in the right role.

Dude what venue are you headlining? You can't be serious, college is notorious for this type of player when a coach gives you the green light. Each time, he has faced an opponent who is athletic and can fight through screens he got shut down. Can you say Jason Kapono

Zlax45 · Post by **Zlax45** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:57 pm

kevinpars wrote:Coach K had better get his program under control because he is heading down the same road as Bob Huggins!

The president should lose his job instead of the lax coach.

Programmed2Kill · Post by **Programmed2Kill** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:51 pm

Redick's arrest was a plot concocted by JJ himself in order for the Duke star to earn street cred. JJ could've easily done so by incinerating 50 Cent into dust and taking over G-Unit, but this arrest was thought as the best way to go about it.

This does two things for JJ...

1. Now he can get the tattoos he always wanted...

and

2. Portray himself into his true image...as one mean, evil cuss.

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:25 am

backbreaker wrote:Dude what venue are you headlining? You can't be serious, college is notorious for this type of player when a coach gives you the green light. Each time, he has faced an opponent who is athletic and can fight through screens he got shut down. Can you say Jason Kapono

Absolutely ridiculous analysis. He had huge games against some of the best competition out there, most on national TV. I guess you only watched his last game. He shot 47% from the field, 86% from the line and 42% from three-point land. Saying that he only scores points because he has the green light is the most moronic thing I've read on this board in some time. Jason Kapono is a foward who never averaged more than 17 points a game. Redick is a guard with a completely different skill set who finished second in the nation (27 ppg). Try another comparison... but hey, they're both white so I guess you got that part right...

EDiddy · Post by **EDiddy** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:31 am

Dude what venue are you headlining? You can't be serious, college is notorious for this type of player when a coach gives you the green light. Each time, he has faced an opponent who is athletic and can fight through screens he got shut down. Can you say Jason Kapono

The JJ to Capano comparison is like comparing Niguel Mansel to Michael Knight. Ridiculous on all fronts. But hey, at least they both play basketball. You got that right.

Zlax45 · Post by **Zlax45** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:07 am

Plus Kapano's foot speed is extremely slow when compared to JJ's. I saw Kapano playing in the NBDL in like 2003 IIRC.

sfz_T-car · Post by **sfz_T-car** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:25 am

Programmed2Kill wrote:Redick's arrest was a plot concocted by JJ himself in order for the Duke star to earn street cred. JJ could've easily done so by incinerating 50 Cent into dust and taking over G-Unit, but this arrest was thought as the best way to go about it.

This does two things for JJ...

1. Now he can get the tattoos he always wanted...

and

2. Portray himself into his true image...as one mean, evil cuss.

or he can tryout for Duke Lacrosse

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:21 am

Boom wrote:
The only problem is that he can't create his own shot
So you let an excellent PG create it for him. Nash does it all the time for the Suns. What's the big deal?

There is only ONE Steve Nash though...the rest of the NBA is littered with crappy shoot first PGs. There are only a handful of teams with even decent pass-first PGs.

EDiddy · Post by **EDiddy** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:25 pm

Jason Kidd deserves mention in any pass first PG discussion.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:45 am

Which is why I said there are only a handful of teams with a pass-first pg.

SoMisss2000 · Post by **SoMisss2000** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:14 am

Boom wrote:
The only problem is that he can't create his own shot
So you let an excellent PG create it for him. Nash does it all the time for the Suns. What's the big deal?

at some point, not being able to create your shot becomes a negative. See Shawn Marion. Once Dallas put Howard on Nash, taking away his ability to set his teammates up, that left Marion just standing in the corner.

FloridaGators · Post by **FloridaGators** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:41 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
bdunn13 wrote:JJ can do something most NBA players can't..... SHOOT!
The only problem is that he can't create his own shot. See the tourney for the best example of JJ's limitations. He disappeared when teams stuck a decent defender with a little more strength and height than him. He will not make it in the NBA since most of the players are bigger and stronger than him.

I personally believe that Tyrus Thomas' defense in the NCAA tournament is harder than most NBA players during the NBA regular season. Andrei Kirilenko, Bruce Bowen, and a few others not withstanding there are a lot of NBA guys who throw in the towel at least 20 times on defense during an 82 game season.

Redick can shoot, he's improved his driving skills, and is basketball savvy.

With a frontline superstar he can be a very solid NBA player and worthy of a top 15 pick.

Sudz · Post by **Sudz** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:58 pm

how does reddick differ from mike dunleavey jr?

i think mikey would have made a run at the point record if he would have stayed....