There it is, $500

[DivotMaker]

No hard feelings Divot..and I'm really the jerk here for calling you out. There just seemed to me to be a double standard going on, but after reading your last post, I don't have any reason to hold anything against ya. Like you said, we've all been frustrated with some of these companies some times, and other times overly defended some others, usually saying some cringe worthy things in either case. Live and learn I guess.

GT,

Thanks for the response. No harm, no foul.

[reeche]

There is really nothing left to debate which is why the topic strayed into personal attacks.

Sony thinks the market is ready for $600 game consoles.

So people believe that is the case. Some don't.

The American public will decide in the fall and after that into the new year. I think everyone on both sides sort of understands their strengths and weaknesses. Some of the arguments can be made on logic cases and prior knowledge of the video game industry but then some of it extends into how you want the videogame market to mature which is strictly a personal opinion

Nothing has really changed my mind from the first time I heard that price point and Sony's chances and if you are on the other side, the same is likely true. The proof will be in the pudding.

[wco81]

From what I've seen of the games for the PS3 there's only one I really want to play; Assassin's Creed. That game looks badass.

Hard to believe it won't come out for the X360 at some point. This is from the Prince of Persia team at Ubisoft.

Likewise, you figure Spinter Cell and Rainbow Six will make it to the PS3 at some point.

[DivotMaker]

There is really nothing left to debate which is why the topic strayed into personal attacks.

Sony thinks the market is ready for $600 game consoles.

So people believe that is the case. Some don't.

The American public will decide in the fall and after that into the new year. I think everyone on both sides sort of understands their strengths and weaknesses. Some of the arguments can be made on logic cases and prior knowledge of the video game industry but then some of it extends into how you want the videogame market to mature which is strictly a personal opinion

Nothing has really changed my mind from the first time I heard that price point and Sony's chances and if you are on the other side, the same is likely true. The proof will be in the pudding.

Good post and analysis. I do believe the PS3 will have no trouble outselling the 360 in Japan as the PS2 is outselling the 360 at this point. Japan is Sony's regardless of the pricing. However, the US and Europe are the areas that are up for grabs and I have a hunch that by this time next year, we will know if the marketplace is ready, willing, and able to buy $600+ video game machines. I keep thinking back to the NeoGeo/3DO days and I remember that I simply could not pull the trigger to buy either one until their pricing had come down. I finally bought a 3DO when the price had dropped from (I think) $599 to $399. I know the market has evolved a great deal since then, but has it evolved enough that a $600+ console is an impulse or easily justifiable discretionary purchase. I will be very interested to see how this all pans out. Contrary to what at least one person has suggested here, I do NOT want Sony to fail. One, not going to happen. Two, it would be horrible if Sony did fail. However, Sony is big enough and strong enough to change course if it finds that it is not succeeding just like MS and Nintendo. The future looks bright for all three. Sony is taking the biggest gamble of any of the 3. They will either win in a BIG way or the market will tell them to sharpen their pencils on the pricing. What I do not see happening is a repeat of PS2/XBox.

[10spro]

Fot those people that don't own any of the "Next Generation" consoles, when they see the price of $600 for a PS3, if they have that much amount of money, the possible thinking would be: Hmm, for that cash I can get a 360 and a Wii combined. Enough games there to keep me busy. I would at least.

[wco81]

Fot those people that don't own any of the "Next Generation" consoles, when they see the price of $600 for a PS3, if they have that much amount of money, the possible thinking would be: Hmm, for that cash I can get a 360 and a Wii combined. Enough games there to keep me busy. I would at least.

Well you have to look beyond the selling price of the consoles, which you only pay once

Which exclusives do you prefer? If you like FPS and PC ports, X360 is the way to go.

PS3 seems to be getting a number of 3rd-person hack-and-slash action games as exclusives.

I'm more inclined towards the latter because I have no interest in FPS games at all. Plus I do want HDTV movies so at this point, paying $200 more for a blue-laser optical drive is a bargain.

However, I am still disappointed by the price because there's a risk that not enough people will feel the same way about Blu-Ray movies so that could have implications later on for market share and ultimately, third-party support.

If as some rumors (possibly FUD being spread by anti-PS3 types) claim, PS3 games are $70 or more, then it's an entirely different matter.

[XXXIV]

Well since this is a sports gaming forum I assume most here would not want to pay $200 more to play basically the same games...

I actually did buy a 3rd PS2 to play GTAVC...I wont have that problem anymore...

Blu-ray?...Betamax?

You seriously have to be whacked to buy the $500 SKU...

Having siad that ...
I will fight it...and Sony sure as hell has given me the ammunition I need but who am I kidding?...Ill huff and Ill puff but I will have the $$$ for that fine dining experience and Ill get it eventually...afterall I did buy 3 PS2s

[XXXIV]

If as some rumors (possibly FUD being spread by anti-PS3 types) claim, .

I think you are refering the East German Stasi or the MfS...

[wco81]

Most people here don't play just sports games.

With all the deficiencies in sports games lately (which everyone here knows about), you'd be cheating yourself to limit your games to one genre.

As for Blu-Ray, yeah there's going to be a lot of comparisons to Betamax, Memory Stick, MiniDisc, UMD, etc.

But Blu-Ray is backed by all the major consumer electronics companies (which wasn't the case with the other Sony-only formats) and twice as many studios than the competing HD-DVD, which is only backed by Toshiba.

PS3 was suppose to help spread the format but who knows, maybe the pricing will screw it all up.

Doesn't matter though. Like I said, only $200 to get HDTV movies this year. Buy an HD-DVD players and you're spending at least $500 for an impaired and sluggish player (takes 90 seconds to play a disc). So for at least a couple of years, you'll be able to watch HDTV movies even if Blu-Ray loses the format battle and movies dry up, for a very modest initial outlay.

Amazon has both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray movies for $20-21 or about $5-10 more than DVDs.

[XXXIV]

Most people here don't play just sports games.

.

Yes ....sure...after sports games they also play FPSers, GTA and apparently UNO on Live...

The blu-ray battle wont be decided for a couple of years yet...Leaving the sane consumer plenty of time to eventually get a PS3...

I just hope I can hold out... I dont have the best or sanest track record when it comes to game machine buying...buy everything and buy it again..
Forgetting the 3rd PS2 to play GTA...I bought this PC to better Play WoW after just buying a new laptop a few months earlier...

[Inuyasha]

ya, i am a real ms fanboy all right. Thats why I have a sony game as my avatar and most of my favorite games are on ps2.

I think I realize why Kaz was banned here for the first time, because his type of fanboyness remain at the gamefaqs boards.

I hope ps3 does great, i would buy one if it did, but like everyone else is saying, at that price, it looks desperate and from what ive seen so far, i am not really impressed.

btw, i dont own a 360.

[Kazuya]

ya, i am a real ms fanboy all right. Thats why I have a sony game as my avatar and most of my favorite games are on ps2.

Makes exactly about as much sense as what you usually post.

I think I realize why Kaz was banned here for the first time, because his type of fanboyness remain at the gamefaqs boards.

Is this English? Actually, I was banned because of another guy who liked to post pictures when his fallacious "arguments" were being exposed and he had nothing left. Are you him? There are a lot of similarities...

I hope ps3 does great, i would buy one if it did, but like everyone else is saying, at that price, it looks desperate and from what ive seen so far, i am not really impressed.

btw, i dont own a 360.

I guess this supports the theory that some of us have that the next generation is priced beyond the reach of children and teens. Oh well, plenty of money left for you to pick up "Cowboy Bebop"...

[Kazuya]

The blu-ray battle wont be decided for a couple of years yet...Leaving the sane consumer plenty of time to eventually get a PS3...

I'd be surprised if it took that long for it to play out... I wouldn't be surprised if it only took 6 months. Once the consumers have picked a format and jumped on it, what's left to decide? Anybody remember how long it took for Betamax to kick the bucket? Seemed almost instantaneous....

I just hope I can hold out... I dont have the best or sanest track record when it comes to game machine buying...buy everything and buy it again..
Forgetting the 3rd PS2 to play GTA...I bought this PC to better Play WoW after just buying a new laptop a few months earlier...

It would have been very interesting if M$ was able to secure the GTA license as an exclusive. GTA is arguably the most popular game there is. But it doesn't really make sense for third parties to be anyone's exclusive anymore.

[Jared]

Not locking the thread, but quit the feuding.

[Zeppo]

Anybody remember how long it took for Betamax to kick the bucket? Seemed almost instantaneous....

It may seem that way now, but Betamax was around for over ten years before Sony finally gave in and started making VHS machines. Also, Beta quickly became the professional standard for video tape machines and stock, eventually giving way to digi-Beta and only very recently to the high-definition standard, which is based on the Beta system.

Back then, Sony didn't have any control over the content producers the way they do now, when they own several music labels and movies studios, which will make a hige difference in the ability of Sony to dictate the market in this format war.

[wco81]

They also have Matsushita, the biggest Japanese electronics company, which effectively swung the odds in VHS' favor, as well as every other major electronics company in the world, except the Chinese contract manufacturer.

And so far, they got all the major studios except Universal while HD-DVD is missing Fox, Disney, Sony and MGM (the latter two owned or controlled by Sony).

[XXXIV]

It would have been very interesting if M$ was able to secure the GTA license as an exclusive. .

The way I understand it , GTA will be released simultaneously on both $onys and M$ machines ...

[XXXIV]

It may seem that way now, but Betamax was around for over ten years before Sony finally gave in and started making VHS machines. .

Yep, I had one. It was the better machine but the populous opted VHS... Seems to happen alot that way...How many Windows based PCs and PS2s are out there?

[Kazuya]

It would have been very interesting if M$ was able to secure the GTA license as an exclusive. .

The way I understand it , GTA will be released simultaneously on both $onys and M$ machines ...

I know... and there supposedly will be some exclusive Xbox 360 downloadable content. At least they don't have the six-month wait anymore.

And here's a good BetaMax/VHS article... for those who have the time to read it all.

http://www.betainfoguide.com/RiseandFall.htm

[TRI]

They also have Matsushita, the biggest Japanese electronics company, which effectively swung the odds in VHS' favor, as well as every other major electronics company in the world, except the Chinese contract manufacturer.

And so far, they got all the major studios except Universal while HD-DVD is missing Fox, Disney, Sony and MGM (the latter two owned or controlled by Sony).

It will probably not matter much which new HD format wins because most people have DVDs and are not ready for HD movies. Most people still have standard definition TVs and this will remain the case for years. It is going to take 3 to 5 years before either HD-DVD or Blu Ray becomes the new standard. Longer term it will mean nothing because eventually people are going to download HD moves and other content without the need for any discs at all. Blu Ray and HD-DVD technology is going to be obselete in the not too distant future by advances in broadband and memory. Most casual people do not even know what Blu Ray is.

[pk500]

Most casual people do not even know what Blu Ray is.

More true words haven't been typed in this thread.

If you asked non-AV aficionados what Blu-Ray is, they might think it's some freakish offspring of a blue marlin and a manta ray after an ocean orgy.

Seriously, the average consumer has no f*cking clue what Blu-Ray is.

Take care,
PK

[Zeppo]

Most casual people do not even know what Blu Ray is.

More true words haven't been typed in this thread.

If you asked non-AV aficionados what Blu-Ray is, they might think it's some freakish offspring of a blue marlin and a manta ray after an ocean orgy.

Seriously, the average consumer has no f*cking clue what Blu-Ray is.

Take care,
PK

I don't think that's to be unexpected, considering it essentially doesn't exist yet.

[jondiehl]

Uh oh:

http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/2389.html

[Dave]

Seriously, the average consumer has no f*cking clue what Blu-Ray is.

Which makes selling that as an advantage for the PS3 is a tough task.

As far as the PS3 locking up in that video, there are also reports of Wii doing the same thing. Not unexpected at all considering those two systems are still about 6 months from being released.

[Zeppo]

I don't believe Sony thinks that Blu-ray will help sell the PS3 as much as they want the PS3 to help install Blu-ray into people's homes.