DSP WE9 League Discussion Thread

bphilipb · Post by **bphilipb** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:01 pm

ready to go.

Post by **Jared** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:28 pm

I did a random draw using the second tier unasterisked teams for the 5-star, and using the super teams for the 3-4 star. This is what I got:

mobiggins - (Bayern Munich)/AS Monaco
sully - fiorentina
zeppo - man city
naples - hertha bsc
jared - roma

(I've got mo with two teams b/c I didn't know if we were supposed to use teams in parentheses or not...if not, AS Monaco is the next one in the draw)

robvarak - barcelona
jackb1 - juventus
bphilipb- Man U
tjung - Inter
slimer - Real Madrid

Did I forget anyone? Is this the kind of draw I was supposed to do?

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:02 pm

Jared wrote:I did a random draw using the second tier unasterisked teams for the 5-star, and using the super teams for the 3-4 star. This is what I got:

mobiggins - (Bayern Munich)/AS Monaco
sully - fiorentina
zeppo - man city
naples - hertha bsc
jared - roma

(I've got mo with two teams b/c I didn't know if we were supposed to use teams in parentheses or not...if not, AS Monaco is the next one in the draw)

robvarak - barcelona
jackb1 - juventus
bphilipb- Man U
tjung - Inter
slimer - Real Madrid

Did I forget anyone? Is this the kind of draw I was supposed to do?

I think we need a final sound-off of those in the league before a final team selection. Maybe, call it a registration and let's set a date of Wednesday, 9pmEST. I just fear there are a few who signed on who have forgotten, and maybe others who want in at this time (neck? Jimmy the D? pigpen?).

Jared, that's close but not exactly what I was thinking. I think 4-star is closer to 5-star than 3-star. In trying to find a clever little division between 4-star and 5-star guys, I thought excluding the teams in parentheses from the 5-star guys (Bayern is out, Monaco is in) while including the crappy asterisked teams (no tears here if those are out completely, though, actually I prefer it) would work. Then the 4-star guys (Rob) would go from the teams including the teams in parenthases, but not the asterisked teams. Basially, it gives a little larger and better pool of teams to the 4-star players, but saves the best teams for the 3-star guys. But then, I don't know what Rob really is, he beats me a lot online and I've played several seasons on 5-stars.

If we lump everyone into two categories, we could do it the way you did (with parenthases teams for the higher star players) and be done with it.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:08 pm

Yeah, not to muck everything up but I've played A LOT since this thread started. It's probably best that I either be in the upper division or have a less powerful team in the lower ranks. Just trying to keep the balance competitive, as Zep wouldn't stand a chance against me with Barcelona

Post by **Jared** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:43 pm

OK Zep. Let me know when the roster of players (and teams) are finalized, and I can do the random draw (or anyone can, using the random command in excel).

Naples39 · Post by **Naples39** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:42 am

I hope we do another draw, because is it just me, or was hertha berlin by far the worst team drawn?

EDIT: Well, I did just look up standings and Hertha is in 6th place in bundesliga so I guess they can't be that bad. Comparable to Man City at least.

mobiggins · Post by **mobiggins** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:19 am

Well, far as I can tell, everyone who had initially said they'd play has confirmed it, except for Jack. I'm sure he'll come around; I'll pm him.

It just remains to see if anyone else joins, though it would be nice to have two even divisions for cup purposes.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:31 am

Guys...I know I'm late to the party, but I think I'm going to swap my PS2 to Snate for an Xbox. If that does go down, I would like to be involved in this league. Any chance I could get in on it at this late date? If not, I'll just wait around till the next one starts. Thanks.

Jimmydeicide · Post by **Jimmydeicide** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:17 am

i will play, but i have no idea what level i would be. This years 3 star is mighty tough for me and im mid table if im lucky with liverpool.
I guess i would rather be in a division with the lesser teams rather than have to play Madrid, Barcelona,Chelsea, arsenal every week.

mobiggins · Post by **mobiggins** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:19 am

We're pretty well set to get the league going by wednesday, I think, and everybody's been anxious to get it started with my sorry ass being out of town for ten days (and forgetting about that fact when I pitched this thing to everyone right before I left). You may have to wait this one out, db.

mobiggins · Post by **mobiggins** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:25 am

jimmyd, unless db can get his xbox VERY quickly or someone else joins the league VERY soon, you might have to sit this one out. We're looking to do a parallel cup tourney, and having an odd number of players in the league works against us in that regard.
Unless we don't give a cup berth to the last placed team in division two after five games or something....

But that's more stuff to keep track of...

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:24 am

I would gladly bow out of any cup competition if it mean we could get another guy in the league. If you want to, there could be an extra early cup round (like an 8-9 round) for an odd team, but like I said I'd gladly bow out of any secondary competition if an odd number is the problem. We need more guys, there's no reason to turn away anyone who will get his games in.

In fact, it would be my preference to not do a cup for the first couple of season cycles, but i'll go along if everyone wants to do it right away. But i definitely don't think a cup draw is any reason to turn anyone away from the league as a whole. If there are odd numbers, you can leave me out of any cup if it makes it easier.

Post by **Jared** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:37 am

I don't see any problems with someone coming in late, assuming that they have their new console within a week or so. Since (I'm guessing) we won't have to play our games in some sort of fixed order, it should be fine.

DB, when do you think you'll have an XBox?

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:46 am

I'm ready to go

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:15 pm

Alrighty;

As it appears we are gaining more 3-star guys, I think this is how we should draw:

Everyone goes into one of two categories, call them 3-star and 5-star. 4-star guy (Rob, any others if they are there) go into the 5-star group.

3-star guys are assigned, with one (two?) chance to redraw, from the original Top Tier (15 teams, the big 8 plus those in parentheses). The redraw allows the poor schmuck who gets stuck with Atletico or PSV, to have a second bite at the super-club cherry.

5-star guys are assigned, with one (two?) chance to redraw, from the Second Tier, excluding the teams with parentheses. I am including the teams with asterisks, but hey, everyone gets one (two?) chances to redraw.

So, we would have two bigger groups of teams, one with 15 really good teams, and one with a large number of decent teams.

Now, one other option besided the random with one (two?) chances to redraw, is to let people pic their top-3 choices from the group of teams they are eligible for (3-star guys from that bigger Top Tier, and 5-star guys from that larger group, the Second Tier, but without the teams in parentheses). If people prefer this option, then we can do that.

Essentially, I think with the teams divided up like this, we can probably accommodate people's presonal choices pretty easily. Of course, if everyone in 3-star wants Liverpool. . . .

After two or three season cycles, we can discuss redrawing teams, and recalibrate our team groups etc.

Jared, I will PM you with the team groups to be selected from. We can go ahead an run a draw after tomorrow night's registration deadline, and go from there.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:17 pm

Well Snate and I are exchanging shipping info as we speak so I can't imagine it would take over a week to send something from LA to Texas. I assume I'll have it by Friday if he ships it today. It's not a big deal if you guys can't fit me in...I don't want it to be a hassel for you guys. If it's easy and it's not a big organizational issue, then I'm definitely down to play. But I can sit it out if you guys would like.

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:53 pm

db, I don't think there's any problem. Worst case, is that someone doesn't get all his games in as of a deadline, doesn't want or get any extension, and is charged with 3-0 forfeits for those games. Not the end of the world, as the promotion/relegation mechanism will come into play if anyone is a consistent no-show.

BTW have we come to a consensus as to game rules? I'm sure we are all good with long pause time, 7 pauses, 3 subs per game, random condition, random weather, Winter season (for this season cycle; we can go to Summer for the next season cycle), Time of day up to the host. But I am wondering about game time. I prefer 20' setting, but 15' setting will work if that is the majority consensus.

FYI, here is the PM I sent to Jared:

The 3-star guys are eligible for teams in the expanded Top Tier, that's 15 teams total.

The 5-star guys (and Rob) are eligible for teams from the Second Tier, including the near-crappy asterisked teams. There were just so few (15 or so) in that tier without the asterisks, so I think we should draw with those teams in there. Everyone should be able to redraw once (twice maybe, that's my preference), so I think it's better to go with the larger pool.

Top Tier

Arsenal
Chelsea
Man U

AC Milan
Juventus
Inter

Barcelona
Real Madrid

(Olympique Lyonnais)
(Bayern Munich)
(PSV Eindhoven)
(Atletico Madrid)
(Valencia)
(RC Deportivo)
(Liverpool)

Second Tier

PSG
AS Monaco
*Olympique Marseille
*Toulouse FC

Bayer Leverkusen
Borussia Dortmund
Hertha BSC Berlin
SV Werder Bremen
VfB Stuttgart
*VfL Wolfsburg
*Schalke 04
*Hamburger SV

Ajax
*Feyenoord

Villareal
*Real Betis
*Celta

Aston Villa
Newcastle United
Machester City
*Fulham
*Middlesbrough

Roma
Fiorentina
*Lazio
*Palermo

SL Benfica
Fenerbache
*Besiktas
*Dynamo Kiev
*Galatasaray
*FC Porto
*Olympiakos CFP
*Celtic
*Rangers

After the initial draw, guys will chime in as to whether they like their team or want to draw again. The team pools would obviously be shrunk for the second draw, taking out the teams already accepted. Take out of the pool the teams that have been happlily selected, and redraw for all the guys who want to. Then, if anyone happens to get the same team they were assigned originally but don't want, that player should be re-assigned right away.

After those second draws are posted, we have another round of waiting for guys to say if they like that 2nd team or want to redraw again, and then the 3rd draw if necessary. After that, we should be good to go.

So, Jared should make this draw sometime after tomorrow (Wednesday), 6p EST when registration closes. (I think we should have registration protocol of some kind for each new season cycle; that way new guys can get in, deadbeats can be dropped if they don't reregister for the new season.) He will post the results, and everyone can chime in. If you like your team, you can post and let us know. If you don't like your team and want to chance a redraw, you must post that as well. Then, Jared can do the second draw. You can then go for a 3rd draw if you don't like that team either.

We should be good to go for games this weekend.

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:32 pm

So, Jimmy is in at 3*.

db what level do you play? Do you consider yourself more a 3* guy or a 4* or 5* guy?

tjung seems to be the only one who hasn't checked in.

Ragardless of his checking in, the divisions need to be as even as possible in size. If there are not even numbers of 5* and 3* guys, how are we placed in divisions?

I say another random draw all the way around for divisional placement for this inaugural season. Any other ideas?

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:55 pm

I'm a 3* guy this year. I was up to 4* last year but this year seems a bit harder. I'm definitely a 3* guy as I'll still be getting used to the Xbox controls again. I've ONLY played the WE series on the PS2 or the PC with the PS2 gamepad, so it will take some adjusting I'm sure.

Jimmydeicide · Post by **Jimmydeicide** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:25 pm

Ill play at whatever level you guys need me at, i would love to have liverpool but it would be cool to have a team i didnt know, i just dont realy want to play the top tier teams , so if that means going to 5 star then id try that .

Im easy use and abuse me anyway you see the best fit for the league.\

mobiggins · Post by **mobiggins** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:56 pm

I don't think it's all that bad if the division numbers are lopsided. That doesn't really matter, if one division has more teams than the other. Relegation/promotion will work the same way, and since there's no inter-divisional play, it doesn't really matter. So members of one division will play a couple more games. No biggie.
What is important if we want the smoothest cup tourney parallel to this is to have an even number of participants overall, which by the looks of things, we do.

mobiggins · Post by **mobiggins** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:03 am

The divisions as I see them so far (I've taken creative license with the naming):

Division One (DSPremiership)
mobiggins
sully
zeppo
naples
jared
robvarak

Division Two (DSPenultimate)
jackb1
bphilipb
tjung
slimer
dbdynsty
jimmydeicide

ps. so is my team Bayern Munich or AS Monaco? Or are we drawing again? Cuz, ya know, I wouldn't mind being Bayern...

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:20 am

mobiggins wrote:The divisions as I see them so far (I've taken creative license with the naming):

Division One (DSPremiership)
mobiggins
sully
zeppo
naples
jared
robvarak

Division Two (DSPenultimate)
jackb1
bphilipb
tjung
slimer
dbdynsty
jimmydeicide

ps. so is my team Bayern Munich or AS Monaco? Or are we drawing again? Cuz, ya know, I wouldn't mind being Bayern...

That seems to work out. And no, we are re-drawing and you are not eligible for Bayern or any other team quite that good. Unless you want to discuss other options - we still only have 12 guys, and there are 15 teams in that top tier. . .

Still, my vote would be to start off with what I proposed above, and if it really bites we can work something out and redraw for future season cycles.

The only worry I have about lopsided divisions is if there are a lot more games for one div. than the other. One team difference is definitely doable.

Just waiting for tjung to post, and giving any other newcomers or on-the-fencers till tomorrow (Wed.) at 6pEST. Then we can draw and all b*tch about what team we ended up wtih.

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:01 pm

Well, still no post from tjung? Anyone know what's up?

Jared, I guess you are safe to do the first draw for teams and post the results according to Mo's list and divisions, minus tjung. If he shows up in the next couple of days, you can draw a team for him from the remaining after our three-round process.

DSPenultimate is all the Top Tier teams, with parenthases included.

DSPremiereship is Second Tier teams, asterisks included, no parentheses.

Jimmydeicide · Post by **Jimmydeicide** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:56 pm

I want Liverpool Waaaaaaa.