OT: NBA 2005-2006 Season Discussion

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:54 pm

Holy crap...huge trade between the Celtics and T-Wolves...

The only guys worth a crap are:

Boston gets:

Wally & Olewakandi (sp?)

T-Wolves get:

Ricky Davis & Blount

TheHiddenTrack · Post by **TheHiddenTrack** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:22 pm

Kazuya wrote:
dbdynsty25 wrote:
I'll take Rip Hamilton and almost everyone else on your list before Peja...especially this year. I really don't see how you can even put him on your list when he is shooting 40%...OVERALL. That's not even his 3pt %...that's TOTAL. Rip is shooting over 51.2% overall and 50.1% from 3 (sure he doesn't shoot as many but that's not what we're debating)...that is a good shooter.
It's just circumstances. It's why Rip is shooting 32% for his career from 3 point land, but shooting well this year. It's why Joe Johnson was 48% last year and 34% this year. The circumstances around every season are different. When you put Peja on the floor with great passers like Chris Webber and Vlade Divac, he gets better looks than say being on the floor with Bonzi and Kenny. I'm not saying he's shooting well this year (although he's not shooting that bad when you factor in all the threes), I'm just saying that he's the best shooter. If you stick him and Rip five feet behind the 3 point line, I guarantee you Peja will destroy him in a shooting contest. Rip is probably as good as anyone at mid-range shooting though, but so is Peja. And they are both good free-throw shooters too (Rip career 85%, Peja 90%).

If Peja has five bad seasons in a row (and when I say bad I mean far worse than this, because his current adj. FG% is 49% which is far from bad) then I would concede that maybe he can't shoot anymore. But it's going to take a lot more than a season and a half of injuries and average shooting for me to do that. You have to remember, this guy finished fourth in the MVP voting not even 2 years ago, and people were loudly proclaiming him among the best shooters in the history of the NBA. I seriously doubt all that skill faded away... unless he was indeed struck down Tiger-style for marrying a super duper model...

Exactly. I was too lazy to write it all out.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:49 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:Holy crap...huge trade between the Celtics and T-Wolves...

The only guys worth a crap are:

Boston gets:

Wally & Olewakandi (sp?)

T-Wolves get:

Ricky Davis & Blount

WTF?

Damn...

I feel bad for Ricky. He looked like he finally found a place where he could turn around his career.

I wish him the best of luck in Minny.

Blount? Good riddance!

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:57 pm

I think Charles and Kenny Smith said it best...WHY?

It's just tossing different players around because they weren't wanted. It doesn't really make either team better...it's just a move to make a move I guess.

sfz_T-car · Post by **sfz_T-car** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:07 am

The big contracts going across are Wally's and Blount's. Olawakandi's contract ends this year so the Celts get some cap space to play with.

Davis could be a good fit in Minnesota, but the trade isn't exactly a blockbuster.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:25 am

Mark Blount had a big contract?

sfz_T-car · Post by **sfz_T-car** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:41 am

Not big by Damp/Foyle standards, but 4 1/2 more years at $6.5-7M is the biggest pill the T-wolves have to swallow.

No word as to whether the #1 to Boston is lottery protected. If it isn't, that could be the most significant thing about this deal after all is said and done.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:16 am

If the trade was just Davis for Wally, I'd like it.

If it was just Davis/Blount/other two guys for Wally/Kandi/whoever...I would like it.

But why the F do the Wolves keep including first round picks in their trades? They included one in the Marko Jaric deal and then throw one into this deal.

McMunster is a terrible GM who works on a year-to-year basis, so why would he care if he just put an underacheiving center on the books for an additional 4 years or if they have no draft picks in the future?

The hope is that Davis fits into the new coach's style better than Wally World. The Wolves had to do something; this season was swirling down the drain in a hurry.

And DB, you must have missed the biggest news of the day...Tskitishvili to your Suns for a 2nd round pick!

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:10 pm

Dave wrote:And DB, you must have missed the biggest news of the day...Tskitishvili to your Suns for a 2nd round pick!

Nope, I didn't miss it, I just know that no one here gives a rats ass about the Suns but me. And I like the pickup a lot. He's a former D'Antoni player from back in Europe and he fits the Suns system. Case in point, Boris Diaw...was garbage on the Hawks, and now he's a very nice piece of the Phoenix puzzle. Hopefully the same will hold true with Skita. Nash makes everyone better...well except for maybe Pat Burke...that guy is hard to watch when he's on the floor.

And losing a second round pick is hardly a big deal seeing as how we've got two firsts this year and next. Thanks Joe Johnson.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:07 am

To anyone who watched tonights Suns/Bulls game...have you ever seen a better 14 min. of basketball than the Suns played starting the second half? Holy crap...I think the only quarter that was better was the 47 points they put up on Miami to start the game a few weeks back. That was just textbook basketball. Great passing...and just hitting a ton of shots. Whoa...the Bulls didn't know what hit em.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:37 am

Isn't it funny how so many people who dissed Nash winning the MVP last year haven't spoken up about it this year?

And the new-look Wolves are laying another turd in Oakland tonight. Sheesh.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:50 am

Dave wrote:Isn't it funny how so many people who dissed Nash winning the MVP last year haven't spoken up about it this year?

Yeah...he's been even better this year. Without Amare...they are still holding it down. That guy is freakin' amazing. I guess Cuban was right to let him walk too...

But then again, the Mavs have a better record than the Suns so his decision wasn't too bad, even though Nash came back to beat him in the playoffs last year. Should be interesting this year if Amare comes back healthy. Hell, I think the Suns could do some damage even without him. They have no shot against someone like Detroit without him though. San Antonio, if healthy would be a struggle as well.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:10 pm

I thought the Suns overpaid for the guy, so I understand why they let him walk. Plus they had a high enough draft pick to take Devin Harris, who they think will man the point for years.

After seeing the Wolves get destroyed by the Warriors, giving up over 100 points, I think the Suns could get to 130 if they play their starters during the 4th quarter.

So far, I'm amazed Rashad McCants shoots as well as he does. I don't know how he can see the rim with his head so far up his *ss. Talk about a player with zero basketball sense.

reeche · Post by **reeche** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:24 pm

No Arenas and no Anthony. Seems kinda funky to me

I respect the Pistons and everything but I don't think we really needed four of them on the All-Star squad.

sfz_T-car · Post by **sfz_T-car** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:42 pm

reeche wrote:No Arenas and no Anthony. Seems kinda funky to me

I respect the Pistons and everything but I don't think we really needed four of them on the All-Star squad.

There's always a lifetime achievement award element to All-Star selections. If Arenas and Anthony keep it up, they'll have opportunities later.

I couldn't favor Arenas over Pierce or Billups. I suppose you could argue Gilbert is more deserving than Hamilton, but I'd rather have Rip on my team.

Anthony's snub is democracy's fault. T-Mac hasn't done enough to warrant the spot (this year at least).

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:03 pm

The problem in the West is compounded by having two starters voted in from a crummy-assed team.

Let's see, Pistons 40-8 = 4 All-Stars... Mavs 38-10 = 1 All-Star... makes sense to me... I guess Dirk has to win the MVP for sure if he can single-handedly equal the work of 4 All-Stars...

reeche · Post by **reeche** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:37 pm

Kazuya wrote:The problem in the West is compounded by having two starters voted in from a crummy-assed team.

Let's see, Pistons 40-8 = 4 All-Stars... Mavs 38-10 = 1 All-Star... makes sense to me... I guess Dirk has to win the MVP for sure if he can single-handedly equal the work of 4 All-Stars...

NBA has a bizzare fixation on "winning" however loosely that is defined. I hate how it effects MVP and All-Star voting.

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:56 pm

Make that 39-10.

Now what Barkley?!? NOW WHAT?!?

SoMisss2000 · Post by **SoMisss2000** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:05 pm

Kazuya wrote:Make that 39-10.

Now what Barkley?!? NOW WHAT?!?

I can't wait until post game to see what he has to say. I will admit. I've recently started to pay attention again. However, that is due to the fact that us folk living in Dallas have seen our Mavs win lots of games in the regular season. I've been more about, I'll be dialed in again come April and May. That said, I can't help but pay attention to what they've been doing lately. This is the best TEAM we've had the last 5 years.

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:13 pm

SoMisss2000 wrote:
Kazuya wrote:Make that 39-10.

Now what Barkley?!? NOW WHAT?!?
I can't wait until post game to see what he has to say. I will admit. I've recently started to pay attention again. However, that is due to the fact that us folk living in Dallas have seen our Mavs win lots of games in the regular season. I've been more about, I'll be dialed in again come April and May. That said, I can't help but pay attention to what they've been doing lately. This is the best TEAM we've had the last 5 years.

Oh yeah, that goes without saying... they have to prove it to me as well. Like you say, they've been winning 50 games every year for like 7 years in a row, so who cares about the regular season. I just like to hear Barkley stammer for excuses. I actually don't think this team is quite as good as the 2002-2003 team, but they may not need to be.

SoMisss2000 · Post by **SoMisss2000** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:27 pm

Kazuya wrote:
SoMisss2000 wrote:
Kazuya wrote:Make that 39-10.

Now what Barkley?!? NOW WHAT?!?
I can't wait until post game to see what he has to say. I will admit. I've recently started to pay attention again. However, that is due to the fact that us folk living in Dallas have seen our Mavs win lots of games in the regular season. I've been more about, I'll be dialed in again come April and May. That said, I can't help but pay attention to what they've been doing lately. This is the best TEAM we've had the last 5 years.
Oh yeah, that goes without saying... they have to prove it to me as well. Like you say, they've been winning 50 games every year for like 7 years in a row, so who cares about the regular season. I just like to hear Barkley stammer for excuses. I actually don't think this team is quite as good as the 2002-2003 team, but they may not need to be.

I think the 2002-2003 team was more explosive with Van Exel and company but I like what we have now. I love how Dirk (who gets no love) has improved his game without Nash and Finley. So glad Don Nelson is gone. They still have a long ways to go but I like the mix they have now.

Millennium · Post by **Millennium** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:38 am

All I have to add right now is that if Gilbert Arenas isn't named to the team to replace Jermaine O'Neal, then David Stern needs to have his head examined.

sfz_T-car · Post by **sfz_T-car** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:02 pm

Lots of trade deadline rumors going around now.

Vecsey is reporting Kenyon Martin to New York for Penny Hardaway's equally bad knees and David Lee. Apparently Isiah wants to acquire every bad contract in the league. Other puzzling Knick targets include Drew Gooden, Marko Jaric and Theo Ratliff. It could take a decade to undo the damage of the current NY GM.

Another rumored deal involves Steve Francis moving from Orlando to Denver.

The Magic are supposedly offering a first round pick and an expiring contract to Detroit for Milicic and Arroyo. I'd love to see what Darko could do with 25 mpg, as long as it's not for my team. But I think that's a great deal for the Pistons. Orlando's #1 is in the lottery and both guys they're supposedly giving up don't factor into the Pistons' short term plan.

reeche · Post by **reeche** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:13 am

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ern/060216

Nice interview with David Stern. As much as I b*tch about the heavy handed tactics the league often employs, he's still my favorite management type in all of sports and he's one of the few who actually shows a passion for his sport.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:44 am

sfz_T-car wrote:Vecsey is reporting Kenyon Martin to New York for Penny Hardaway's equally bad knees and David Lee. Apparently Isiah wants to acquire every bad contract in the league. Other puzzling Knick targets include Drew Gooden, Marko Jaric and Theo Ratliff. It could take a decade to undo the damage of the current NY GM.

Do you think the league is playing a practical joke on Zeke? Did they give him a different rulebook than everyone else? He appears to be allergic to expiring contracts. At least Martin isn't a 6'5" swingman.

If the Wolves can get anyone to take Marko Jaric then it is considered a win. How great was that deal for the Clippers, Jaric for Cassell and a first round pick?