OT: Super Bowl Predictions

Spooky · Post by **Spooky** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:42 pm

Spooky wrote:I now have a new signature. Thanks Peabody!

or maybe not...anyone know why my sig will not change?

dougb · Post by **dougb** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:54 pm

Brando70 wrote:LOL, Leebo. Reading Is FUNdamental!

There's no question the calls favored Pittsburgh. That happens, oh, I don't know...ALL THE TIME in professional sports. It happened to Pittsburgh in the Indy game.

I have no problem with complaints about the officiating, because it was not very good. It's acting like Pittsburgh didn't deserve to win the game. Both teams didn't play very well, but Pittsburgh made a few big plays while Seattle did not. Like DB said, it was an ugly game and the only thing there is to really discuss is the officiating.

The other thing that could be discussed is the quality of the telecast.

As in, WTF was the Dr. Zeuss bit at the beginning? Truly a pathetic moment in the history of Superbowl telecasts. Is Disney putting out Harrison Ford's new movie?

I suppose we don't get opening lineup introductions anymore? And the coverage at the end seemed a bit disjointed - usually we get at least one camera on the coach as they dump the bucket on him.

At least Michaels and Madden did a decent job with the play by play. All in all, though, I though ABC really went out on a flat note (though perhaps that was fitting considering the quality of the play)

Best wishes,

Doug

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:26 pm

Leebo33 wrote: Do you truly believe that a Steelers WR doesn't get called on that PI call that happened right in front of the ref?

Without a doubt, if that is Ward it doesn't get called and you know it. Ward pushed off at least 3 or 4 times last night and I didn't see it called on him. Just like the NBA, certain guys get away with s***. f***in Chris Carter made a career out of it.

If the game was fixed, I'd like to think I had something to do with it as I have bought my share of NFL merchandise over the years and I'll probably spend at least a few hundred dollars on Super Bowl Champion licensed products.

The game wasn't fixed, it is just the officiating played a major part in the outcome. But I highly doubt this game will be debated for years like the MU / OSU game. See the thing about that NC game is they actually played football during that game, unlike yesterdays game. No one will remember this SB and that's probably a good thing.

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:43 pm

Leebo33 wrote:
What's the purpose of wondering aloud if you don't have the notion that the game could be fixed?

I said I was finished with this thread. Your combative interrogation has gone too far and you are making a mountain out of a molehill. You don't seem to be bothered by others who have made statements far more flammable than I have. I'll think twice before commenting on such a volatile subject in the future.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:51 pm

An oh yeah, what the hell happened to Bradshaw? Sure Montana does things for the money, but Terry was a ex-steeler. That is lame man.

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:08 pm

Leebo33 wrote:Don't get pissed at Steelers fans. If you've got a beef with the NFL that is fine, but we've got nothing to do with it. BTW, I'm going to enjoy this as much as I would any other championship. I can't control the refs. I couldn't control them when they made a "touch" roughing the kicker call in 2002 to give the Titans a win, I couldn't control their calls when they screwed Polamalu out of an interception, and I certainly couldn't control their calls in the Super Bowl. Yes, I'm enjoying this championship. I reflect on the whole postseason and it's been a great ride. I wish the team played better on Sunday, but that's OK.

Arrgh, I can't belive this old chestnut it still being talked about. It was NOT a roughing the kicker penalty! It was a running into the kicker penalty - only 5 yards (not 15) and it was the exact right call because the Pittsburgh player did run into the kicker. He didn't rough the kicker, that's why roughing the kicker was NEVER called. Sure the kicker made sure the refs noticed he was run into a la Sidney Crosby, but he was run into and it was a penalty.

I can't really balme you because I actually heard an ESPN News acnhor refer to this playoff game and the controversial roughing the kicker penalty not so long ago.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:51 pm

DivotMaker wrote:
Leebo33 wrote:
What's the purpose of wondering aloud if you don't have the notion that the game could be fixed?
I said I was finished with this thread. Your combative interrogation has gone too far and you are making a mountain out of a molehill. You don't seem to be bothered by others who have made statements far more flammable than I have. I'll think twice before commenting on such a volatile subject in the future.

It's pretty funny that whenever there is a combative interrogation, you're at the ass end of it.

b_assassin · Post by **b_assassin** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:01 am

Leebo33 wrote:
b_assassin wrote:Flame away, enjoy your farce of a championship Steeler fans.
Don't get pissed at Steelers fans. If you've got a beef with the NFL that is fine, but we've got nothing to do with it. BTW, I'm going to enjoy this as much as I would any other championship. I can't control the refs. I couldn't control them when they made a "touch" roughing the kicker call in 2002 to give the Titans a win, I couldn't control their calls when they screwed Polamalu out of an interception, and I certainly couldn't control their calls in the Super Bowl. Yes, I'm enjoying this championship. I reflect on the whole postseason and it's been a great ride. I wish the team played better on Sunday, but that's OK.

I don't recall saying I was pissed at Steeler fans. Based on the circumstances of how the game was 'won', the championship seems a little hollow to me. Congrats to the Steelers for having the more desirable storyline, and the NFL for writing the happy ending.

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:12 am

Yeah, it was all cooked up as soon as the NFL's preferred script couldn't happen when the Colts lost. My friend's cousin's neighbour's hairdresser's boyfriend's cat actually saw them writing the script thru a crack in the wall of Tagliabue's office.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:17 am

LOL, it's like Festivus in here with the airing of grievances.

b_assassin · Post by **b_assassin** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:47 am

Feanor wrote:Yeah, it was all cooked up as soon as the NFL's preferred script couldn't be happen when the Colts lost. My friend's cousin's neighbour's hairdresser's boyfriend's cat actually saw them writing the script thru a crack in the wall of Tagliabue's office.

Couldn't be happen? I'm not sure I understand. I think it is supposed to be a joke, but it doesn't read right to me...

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:00 am

I took out the extra "be", and yup, it was a kind of joke.

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:52 am

dbdynsty25 wrote: It's pretty funny that whenever there is a combative interrogation, you're at the ass end of it.

The only thing that is "funny" is your sad effort to prolong an argument that is over.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:29 am

Feanor wrote:Arrgh, I can't belive this old chestnut it still being talked about. It was NOT a roughing the kicker penalty! It was a running into the kicker penalty - only 5 yards (not 15) and it was the exact right call because the Pittsburgh player did run into the kicker. He didn't rough the kicker, that's why roughing the kicker was NEVER called.

WTF is the difference how many yards it was? He got to kick it again. And it is relevant here because the touching of the kicker did not make the kicker miss...just like some people are claiming that Jackson's contact did not affect the play. Shouldn't the ref swallow the whistle in both instances? No harm no foul?

I actually think the calls were exactly right in both instances.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:41 am

b_assassin wrote:Based on the circumstances of how the game was 'won', the championship seems a little hollow to me.

Championships are only hollow when they're not for your team. Ask Bulls fans or Lakers fans how hollow their championships are. They certainly got their share of the calls from the officials over the years. I can still picture Jordan's push offs, Shaq's steamrolling, and that one game in Sacramento that Kings fans will never forget. Besides, there is a good chance the Steelers will win another one in the next few years given the league bias and the fact that this Super Bowl was the second highest rated TV program in history.

Ask Texas fans if their championship is hallow due to the lateral. How do White Sox fans feel about A.J. Pierzynski?

Also, I'm sure at some point in your life you have been on the other side of the coin as a fan. How many freaking times does the NFL have to send apology letters to teams after a game? A few years ago the Steelers got 3 in one season! Officiating is part of the game. The championship isn't hollow at all. Just the fact that the Steelers beat the top 3 seeds in the AFC on the road makes it legit. The Steelers are a great team. If Ben makes one pass to a wide open receiver the discussion is moot.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:49 am

dbdynsty25 wrote:
DivotMaker wrote:
Leebo33 wrote:
What's the purpose of wondering aloud if you don't have the notion that the game could be fixed?
I said I was finished with this thread. Your combative interrogation has gone too far and you are making a mountain out of a molehill. You don't seem to be bothered by others who have made statements far more flammable than I have. I'll think twice before commenting on such a volatile subject in the future.
It's pretty funny that whenever there is a combative interrogation, you're at the ass end of it.

Thanks for noticing. I have never encountered a poster with such a persecution complex. Everyone is against him and everyone is combative. How many times does he enter a thread, accuse others of being combative, say he is walking away, comes back, says he will stay away from volitale discussions, repeat, rinse, etc?

I don't think I ever made anything personal at any time. I'm sorry I embarrassed him after his early comments by posting the quotes he missed in the first three pages. I thought I kept it neutral. I guess that was too combative?

lexbur · Post by **lexbur** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:58 am

Brando70 wrote:LOL, it's like Festivus in here with the airing of grievances.

HA!!!

Festivus... the Super Bowl for the rest of us!

lexbur · Post by **lexbur** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:06 am

Inuyasha wrote: An oh yeah, what the hell happened to Bradshaw? Sure Montana does things for the money, but Terry was a ex-steeler. That is lame man.

Did anybody else see him on Leno last night? Man, he looked like he was hopped up on something, geeze. Unless he's always like that.

Leno asked him why he wasn't there. He went off about how he had to be with his family.

Let me see, he was in Detroit ALL WEEK, was in LA on Monday, but for some inexplicable reason he absolutely had to be with his children on Sunday. That's lame.

But I'd expect that from Bradshaw, he's always seemed like an a**hole to me. Montana's the one that surprises me.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:08 am

b_assassin wrote:I don't recall saying I was pissed at Steeler fans. Based on the circumstances of how the game was 'won', the championship seems a little hollow to me. Congrats to the Steelers for having the more desirable storyline, and the NFL for writing the happy ending.

Come on, B, sing this little ditty along with all Seahawks' fans who can't admit their team lost the game on the field:

All together now ...

Take care,
PK

matthewk · Post by **matthewk** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:21 am

This is one of those issues where neither side will ever change their mind. A lot of people see issues with how the game was called. Most of that same lot think it had an affect on the outcome of the game.

I can list a dozen cases during that game where in my mind Seattle was wronged. But nothing is going to change the score. They lost. I'm going to be happy with the fact that they made it at all. The first time in the history of teh franchise that the Seahawks were in the Super Bowl. This year we made it, next year we take it!

That's all for me on this thread. Nothing will change my mind, so there's no use aruging with those who will not change theirs either.

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:36 am

Leebo33 wrote:WTF is the difference how many yards it was? He got to kick it again. And it is relevant here because the touching of the kicker did not make the kicker miss...just like some people are claiming that Jackson's contact did not affect the play. Shouldn't the ref swallow the whistle in both instances? No harm no foul?

I actually think the calls were exactly right in both instances.

The yards matter because the 5-yard running into the kicker penalty that was called does not require the kicker to be roughed. And even right after the game you had crazy people ringing Talk radio saying how there was "no roughing on the play!". Of course there bloody wasn't - that's why the 15 yard roughing the kicker penalty wasn't called.

The Steeler player ran right into the kicker and knocked him over, therefore it was a penalty. The rule is in the books to protect kickers from having their legs broken which could happen from just being run into. It's not up to the refs to disregard clear penalties just because a Pittsburgh player made a dumb mistake and cost his team the game.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:40 am

Feanor wrote:The Steeler player ran right into the kicker and knocked him over, therefore it was a penalty.

Do I have to dig out the Nedney quote where he bragged about how good of an actor he was? Talk about a dive.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:57 am

matthewk wrote:This is one of those issues where neither side will ever change their mind. A lot of people see issues with how the game was called. Most of that same lot think it had an affect on the outcome of the game.

Had most of the early posts been as calm and rational as that, this thread wouldn't be 9 pages. It was the talk of "pre-scripted" etc that blew it into fantasy land.

I already said I think the NFL needs to seriously review officiating from the entire season. I don't think the Super Bowl officiating was particularly worse than some of the other games I've seen this year, and was actually better than at least a couple of the other playoff games.

BTW, if anyone has any inside info about which players the NFL will select to dominate fantasy football next year, please post it

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:45 am

Nobody leaves!!!

I like this thread. Content aside. Its keeping the season alive. It is such a long long off season.

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:02 pm

Leebo33 wrote:Do I have to dig out the Nedney quote where he bragged about how good of an actor he was? Talk about a dive.

He dove, sure, but he was also run into. There was clear contact so the dive doesn't matter except as an annoyance to Steeler fans who shouldn't be annoyed about anything right now.

Compared to some of the dives in the NHL where the penalized player is 3 feet away from the non-penalized diver, Nedney's a saint. Actually, one penalty I saw called the guy didn't dive, he just fell over his own skates and the ref called a Flyer who was nowhere near him for tripping.