MLB Playoffs

HouOilers · Post by **HouOilers** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:50 pm

The Dye at bat is being overblown. You still had to get Konerko out.

When it comes down to it, it should have never gotten to that AB by Dye.

The Iguchi AB was the one where they lost the game. Terrible Terrible pitch selection by the Astros there. Iguchi hasn't been able to hit a fastball to save his life in this series so why the hell were the astros throwing him breaking stuff and fooling around with location.

When you pitch stupid in the World Series you deserve what you get.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:00 pm

DivotMaker wrote:
Brando70 wrote:That's a lot of speculation about how Dye would react. Big-leaguers get hit all the time with balls and don't necessarily react with the agony most of us would show.
90+ MPH fastball on the fingers in 40 degree weather? I don't know of ANY man who could take a hit like that and not even wince. We aren't talking about getting plunked in the ass here....

You're assuming the ump copuld see where a 90 mph fastball hit him. The pitch was high and tight, Dye reacted like he got hit in the forearm, he did have a grimace on his face go back and look. The Ump makes that call on sound and reaction. When I first saw it at full speed I thought it hit him. I am looking at it straight on, the ump isn't.

It is a tough call to make, and their were plenty of them in this game. Play at the plate, replayed showed he was safe, great call, great slide, worst throw by Pods I've ever seen. At full speed could have went either way.

Pick off at first, looked safe to me, again bang bang, could have went either way. It's so easy to make the right call when you have access to better camera angle, slow mo replays and blow up shots of an area.

This happens all year long and is magnified in the playoffs, especially when Fox is involved. It is as if Joe Buck wants Dye to turn around and go, "hey ump, that ball hit my bat"

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:00 pm

I like the way the NFL institutes it as well, BUT under 2:00 and we put the ball back into the referees hands once again. Yes, NO had no timeouts left, but the head judge should have reviewed that one.

Something similar in baseball would be ok, of course you couldn't penalize them. I'd like to see LaRussa reach over and throw his flag out onto the field.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:17 pm

You would think most reviews could be handled within a matter of 30-60 seconds or less. That's almost the equivalent of a batter stepping out of the box, getting back in, and waiting on the pitcher and catcher to go through the signs.

Sure wish instant replay was instituted back in 1985.

HouOilers · Post by **HouOilers** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:45 pm

I guess I can see why WhiteSox fans are not loved :

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?secti ... id=3566213

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:12 pm

MizzouRah wrote:I like the way the NFL institutes it as well, BUT under 2:00 and we put the ball back into the referees hands once again. Yes, NO had no timeouts left, but the head judge should have reviewed that one.

Except that the head judge can't decide to review it until the 2:00 warning is signaled. Since that play happened with more than 2:00 remaining and consequently going to 1:55, he couldn't make the call because it wasn't the 2:00 warning until after that play. So basically, had that play been ONE PLAY later, it would have been overturned. As it was, it was only NO's fault they didn't have any TOs left.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:18 pm

HouOilers wrote:I guess I can see why WhiteSox fans are not loved :

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?secti ... id=3566213

Didn't we already know Sox fans were crazy? Hell it takes all the security in the world just to keep em from beating the sh*t out of the first base coach.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:13 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
MizzouRah wrote:I like the way the NFL institutes it as well, BUT under 2:00 and we put the ball back into the referees hands once again. Yes, NO had no timeouts left, but the head judge should have reviewed that one.
Except that the head judge can't decide to review it until the 2:00 warning is signaled. Since that play happened with more than 2:00 remaining and consequently going to 1:55, he couldn't make the call because it wasn't the 2:00 warning until after that play. So basically, had that play been ONE PLAY later, it would have been overturned. As it was, it was only NO's fault they didn't have any TOs left.

I stand corrected, and didn't see that last play 'real time', thanks for that clarification. Under rule, I don't feel bad for the Saints, but I would still rather see something that would allow a correct call on obvious plays like that one.

Everyone today talked about how obvious that missed call was. You would think the NFL wouldn't like those types of miscuses to garner more attention than the actual games.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:21 pm

MizzouRah wrote:Under rule, I don't feel bad for the Saints, but I would still rather see something that would allow a correct call on obvious plays like that one.

That's what I was implying...it was a ridiculous call made even worse because they couldn't correct it.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:21 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
MizzouRah wrote:Under rule, I don't feel bad for the Saints, but I would still rather see something that would allow a correct call on obvious plays like that one.
That's what I was implying...it was a ridiculous call made even worse because they couldn't correct it.

Agreed.

tsunami · Post by **tsunami** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:07 am

MizzouRah wrote: I stand corrected, and didn't see that last play 'real time', thanks for that clarification. Under rule, I don't feel bad for the Saints, but I would still rather see something that would allow a correct call on obvious plays like that one.

Everyone today talked about how obvious that missed call was. You would think the NFL wouldn't like those types of miscuses to garner more attention than the actual games.

If you go outside the current system to correct "obvious" plays, then you are opening up another can of worms. What's "obvious"? When should officials intervene? You could literally be reviewing tons of plays. There would always be controversy. The Saints lost out because they didn't have enough TO's left to challenge. That's their fault.

I think the system in place is fine. It gives each team ample opportunities to make challenges while not impeding the overall flow of the game. It's not perfect, but nothing ever will be.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:57 pm

Id rather have em get it right...I dont think baseball will do it.

Dye should still be batting with a 3-2 count and Game 2 of the ALCS should be going into the tenth inning...But...then again the Cardinals should be batting with the bases loaded and nobody out in game 6 of the NLCS.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:40 pm

tsunami wrote:
MizzouRah wrote: I stand corrected, and didn't see that last play 'real time', thanks for that clarification. Under rule, I don't feel bad for the Saints, but I would still rather see something that would allow a correct call on obvious plays like that one.

Everyone today talked about how obvious that missed call was. You would think the NFL wouldn't like those types of miscuses to garner more attention than the actual games.
If you go outside the current system to correct "obvious" plays, then you are opening up another can of worms. What's "obvious"? When should officials intervene? You could literally be reviewing tons of plays. There would always be controversy. The Saints lost out because they didn't have enough TO's left to challenge. That's their fault.

I think the system in place is fine. It gives each team ample opportunities to make challenges while not impeding the overall flow of the game. It's not perfect, but nothing ever will be.

There has to be a way to do it without it being an issue. Above all, I want calls called correctly. I don't want to see a team possibly win a game because of a mis-call.

Give coaches two challenges, period with no timeout penalty if it's not overturned... I'm sure there is some way they could do it and still have questionable calls allowed to be reviewed.

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:53 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2 ... id=2203060

Pretty crappy what happened to Biggio's wife and some other Astros fans in Game 2. It is not an indictment of the city of Chicago, but I really did enjoy reading Ozzie Guillen's comments. He is a stand up guy and I love his attitude....

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:15 pm

World Series is over. Am I giving up, yep. I can see the handwriting on the wall. The White Sox simply have too much and are playing incredibly. If they can bat around on Oswalt in the 5th inning and score five runs, this f'ing series is over. Congrats to the White Sox. Congrats to the Astros for a great season, but they don't belong on the same field as the White Sox........

HouOilers · Post by **HouOilers** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:21 pm

oswalt didnt' have it today. too bad he had to pitch that whole 5th inning. They're down only 1 right now so there's still hope to pull this one out.

but got to hand it to the whitesox, they are a very smart team. Looks like their coaches really did their homework on the astros.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:24 am

Going to the 13th. The worst part of this, from this Cub fan's perspective, is that the way things have gone for the Sox, there's just a sense of inevitability here.

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:56 am

RobVarak wrote:is that the way things have gone for the Sox, there's just a sense of inevitability here.

No s***. Seems like the Sox are destined after that blast. Figures it was a former Astro....geezus

HouOilers · Post by **HouOilers** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:01 am

Crackhead Looking Astacio MF.

2 year WS sweep for the AL. WhiteSox are clearly the better team.

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:06 am

Wow. I'm happy as a Sox fan but I feel bad for Astacio. Not looking good for the Astros now. They'll need a big bottom of the 14th now.

FatPitcher · Post by **FatPitcher** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:19 am

I don't know about the Sox being all that much better. All these games have gone down to the wire, despite a lot of bad breaks and freak occurences.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:24 am

Well tonite the Astros got the umpires call that gave them a HR that wound up taking us to extra innings.

Then they got an error to extend the game.

They failed to capitalise...White Sox are up 3-0....

Maybe Joe Buck will quit his crying...I doubt it.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:28 am

FatPitcher wrote:I don't know about the Sox being all that much better. .

Maybe not...but they are definatley the infinately MUCH hotter team having won 15 out of their last 16 games.

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:30 am

Well, after almost 6 hours this one is over and I am going for some ZZZ now. Tough to repeat what the Redsox did last year, but Astros know at least that it can be done...Just maybe....

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:31 am

Oh yea ...Oh by the way.....Im freaking happy!!!

One more and I will believe in miracles...