Best City to Live

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:24 pm

Not to brag here, but we made it to the top again. If you can stand the showers in the winter times and you have a desire to do a lot of outdoor activity, this is a city you may consider moving to. Cons: Lack of main highways, it's mainly city driving and a lof of jam lately.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4306936.stm

rubba19 · Post by **rubba19** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:36 pm

10spro wrote: Cons: Lack of main highways, it's mainly city driving and a lof of jam lately.

You forgot being pummeled into the ice from behind and repeatly being smashed in the back of the head.

However, I would love to visit one day.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:36 pm

No offense, I'm sure Vancouver is a wonderful place to live but these "lists" are ridiculous IMO. I bet I could go to any state in this country and find at least two or three towns or cities in each one that I would deem perfect to live and grow up in. In fact, I'm living in one.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:49 pm

I'll put Phoenix up against any city in the nation. I also don't mind heat either, so that's probably why. Unbelievable women (not nearly as fake as LA, but still up there in terms of quality talent), minimal traffic, great sports town (all 4 majors) and great golf. Can't really ask for more if you ask me.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:52 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote: Can't really ask for more if you ask me.

Yea who needs those other three "seasons" when you can have searing heat 24/7.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:59 pm

bdoughty wrote:
dbdynsty25 wrote: Can't really ask for more if you ask me.
Yea who needs those other three "seasons" when you can have searing heat 24/7.

Searing heat = chicks with less clothes on

Doesn't bother me one bit.

tsunami · Post by **tsunami** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:03 pm

I always wanted to visit Vancouver, as I've seen and heard so many great things about it. Hopefully some time in the future I'll get to go.

Having lived in Manhattan for 10+ years, I consider it one of the best places in the world to live.

At some point (maybe retirement), I'd like to live in Hawaii as well.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:18 pm

Vienna is the cleanest city I have ever seen. That place is just spotless all around.

If I had the money to do it, I would love to retire in Manhattan. You never run out of things to do and see there.

All things being equal, I am surprisingly happy in this little corner of the Big 10. It all comes down to what matters most to you in terms of deciding where to hang your hat.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:21 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:Can't really ask for more if you ask me.

Crap air quality, growing sprawl and strip mall-itis, lots of traffic compared to some cities, one season (hot). Phoenix is L.A. Light -- what more could you ask for?

Different strokes ...

Dan is right: These lists are so subjective. One man's paradise is another man's prison. There probably are tons of people who would love to live in SoCal, and you couldn't pay me to live there again. In fact, I received a pretty strong job offer back in SoCal in 1999, with healthy pay, but turned it down because I would have had to move back there. No way. Not a chance. Ever. The place is just not me, not at all.

Take care,
PK

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:22 pm

I loved Vancouver when I visited there. But my favorite city north of the border still is Toronto.

Toronto is New York, minus the bad stuff. I'm American to the core, but TO is arguably the greatest city in North America. It's the best city I've visited in NA, and I've been to a lot in my business travels and holidays in the last 15 years.

I know we have a good chunk of Midwestern dudes here, and I think the most underrated Midwestern city is St. Louis. I spent two weeks there on a job in 1997 and had a blast. I expected nothing because I had spent time the year before in Kansas City and was bored to tears -- what a naptown.

But St. Louis is big fun. Great downtown, with both sports arenas within walking distance of each other. Much hotter chicks than I imagined, even if I was only observing. Had a very good time in the STL.

Take care,
PK

sfz_T-car · Post by **sfz_T-car** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:32 pm

Bottom ten:
Tehran
Douala
Harare
Abidjan
Phnom Penh
Lagos
Karachi
Dhaka
Algiers
Port Moresby

C'mon homers. Where's the civic pride?

Bill_Abner · Post by **Bill_Abner** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:33 pm

Damn, Columbus snubbed again!

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:33 pm

sfz_T-car wrote:
Bottom ten:
Tehran
Douala
Harare
Abidjan
Phnom Penh
Lagos
Karachi
Dhaka
Algiers
Port Moresby
C'mon homers. Where's the civic pride?

Hmm ... The bottom 10 proves this list is a pile of sh*t. If Baghdad isn't the worst city in the world in which to live right now, then I'll f*ck Rand McNally up the ass.

Take care,
PK

fsquid · Post by **fsquid** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:45 pm

st. Louis has a great downtown?? Where was it when I've been there?

fatheadX · Post by **fatheadX** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:54 pm

Colorado is a terrible place to live. Please, don't come here.

(OK, we're in! Hurry! Close the door!)

Spooky · Post by **Spooky** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:59 pm

Okay...since people are already starting to mention it, what are everyone's favorite cities?

Mine is Charleston, SC.

Living in the Chicagoland area is nice, and I do love the season changes, but I'd love to live in Charleston again and perhaps retire there in a nice cottage type house tucked away in one of those cobblestone street alleys.

Great food, great people, beautiful architecture. I could see myself living there. Hell, I'd live there now if I was not so established in Chicago and could make the same $$$ I was here.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:04 pm

Good call on Charleston, Spooky. My wife and I really enjoyed our visit there. A very, very cool antebellum vibe -- almost feels like a town that time forgot, which is great.

My favorite city in America? That would be where I live, Syracuse. But other than home, I would say Seattle. Gorgeous, tons of water, great seafood, bike-friendly, lots to do, close to mountains. Only negatives are cost of living and hideous traffic. Some moan about the weather, but I think anyone who uses weather as a criteria for a place to live is about as deep as a mud puddle.

Hard to rip good, old NYC, either. It's come a long way from the days of the Son of Sam, Koch and Dinkins and has cleaned up considerably. The most electric, high-energy city in America, by far, if not the world.

Fact is, the U.S. really only has about three world-class cities, in my opinion: New York, Chicago and San Francisco. The kinds of places that stack up culturally and excitement-wise to places like London, Paris, Tokyo, etc. I think Miami has the potential to join that list, though. Miami is a very happening, culturally vibrant town that I enjoyed way more than I thought I would.

Take care,
PK

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:05 pm

In terms of action, nothing beats NYC. SFO is nice when you see it and Vancouver is great for the fresh air. If you want action, as a major city you won't find it here like in Toronto. But here in Canada we say the same thing: Who can stand the winters & summers of Hog city in TO?

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:09 pm

I have two lost cousins who live in Vancouver...I d love to go there...My father who has gone many times tells me its the best. So I know at least one person who agrees with that list.

I see toronto is also in the top 10. Having been there more than once I understand why. Clean and beautiful.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:16 pm

Yeah, I wouldn't want to live in downtown St. Louis, but it is slowly but surely up and coming. The current mayor has done a lot to revitalize the downtown area. That said, it's a very clean city and on the weekends there is a very nice nightlife.

Ten years from now I think it's going to be a wonderful place to visit and live. Ballpark Village will do a lot for tourism as will other development that is planned in the very near future.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:19 pm

Dan:

All I know is that St. Louis felt like Manhattan compared to Kansas City. If there's a more dull, mom-and-pops major city in the Midwest than KC, I've yet to visit it. The sidewalks roll up in that town at about 8 p.m. every night.

Take care,
PK

rubba19 · Post by **rubba19** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:23 pm

pk500 wrote: I had spent time the year before in Kansas City and was bored to tears -- what a naptown.

As a former resident of KC for 15 years and potentially the only Royals fan not located there, I say unfortunately you are right.

There is little to do but eat BBQ and gain weight. After recently moving to DC, this place kicks azz. Not retirement azz, but nevertheless tons of *free* stuff to do.

Hell, I'm looking for Cuba to retire....

rubba19 · Post by **rubba19** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:25 pm

pk500 wrote:Dan:

All I know is that St. Louis felt like Manhattan compared to Kansas City. If there's a more dull, mom-and-pops major city in the Midwest than KC, I've yet to visit it. The sidewalks roll up in that town at about 8 p.m. every night.

Take care,
PK

KC is Omaha with professional sports.

tjung0831 · Post by **tjung0831** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:26 pm

pk500 wrote:I loved Vancouver when I visited there. But my favorite city north of the border still is Toronto.

Toronto is New York, minus the bad stuff. I'm American to the core, but TO is arguably the greatest city in North America. It's the best city I've visited in NA, and I've been to a lot in my business travels and holidays in the last 15 years.

I know we have a good chunk of Midwestern dudes here, and I think the most underrated Midwestern city is St. Louis. I spent two weeks there on a job in 1997 and had a blast. I expected nothing because I had spent time the year before in Kansas City and was bored to tears -- what a naptown.

But St. Louis is big fun. Great downtown, with both sports arenas within walking distance of each other. Much hotter chicks than I imagined, even if I was only observing. Had a very good time in the STL.

Take care,
PK

I agree with your thoughts on Toronto. I've been there 7 times and each time has been better than the last. I could spend a day on Yonge St and never be bored. Your thoughts on St. Louis though....not sure about that. It ranks pretty high in the crime areas, especially murder. I don't spend much time in downtown St. Louis...except for the a ballgame, or hockey game, don't have any desire to leave my side of the river. I'm sure Dan and Todd have similar thoughts then again who knows.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:27 pm

rubba19 wrote:Hell, I'm looking for Cuba to retire....

Are you a cigar smoker, Rubba? I am, and I've always wanted to visit the forbidden land. Forbidden to Americans because of an antiquated, ridiculous policy that only is maintained to gain votes among the powerful voting bloc of Cuban exiles in South Florida.

One of the best documentaries you'll ever see about Havana and Cuba is "Buena Vista Social Club," Ry Cooder's movie about going to Havana and discovering all of the Cuban son musicians. Son as in a type of Cuban music, not as in male offspring.

Take care,
PK

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