OT: Hey Barry, SHUT YOUR TRAP and just play ball

[Zlax45]

Yes, Armstrong is tested for PERFORMANCE ENHANCING materials more then MLB players. The types of materials Armstong is using are not the same type of steriods as Bonds woudl be using. Armstrong is a endurance athlete who would have been using EPO and other forms of endurance drugs. Who says Armstrong is not using a higher drug which can't be tested for? Remember in 2000 or so there was a huge scandal with EPO and half the tour did not finish as they were booted out of the competition.

Since Armstrong is such a big name, He can get some high class drugs which can't be tested for. Also, Armstrong has a pretty strong relationship with an Italian doctor who is known for Doping athletes.

[bdoughty]

Yes, Armstrong is tested for PERFORMANCE ENHANCING materials more then MLB players. The types of materials Armstong is using are not the same type of steriods as Bonds woudl be using. Armstrong is a endurance athlete who would have been using EPO and other forms of endurance drugs. Who says Armstrong is not using a higher drug which can't be tested for? Remember in 2000 or so there was a huge scandal with EPO and half the tour did not finish as they were booted out of the competition.

Since Armstrong is such a big name, He can get some high class drugs which can't be tested for. Also, Armstrong has a pretty strong relationship with an Italian doctor who is known for Doping athletes.

I still think you are Parker in disgiuse but that is a subject for another day.

I am sure many people had strong relationships with Jack Kevorkian, yet still lived to tell the tale. Once again BONDS admitted to taking steroids. What part of that is confusing?

[pk500]

And what is worse, being an upfront asshole like Bonds? Or being a stealthy asshole like Armstrong?

WCO:

I'm starting to wonder if you're calling Armstrong and Bonds assholes due to intimate personal knowledge of the topic.

How the f*ck can you call a guy like Armstrong, who tirelessly works to raise funds for cancer survivors and victims, an asshole? A close friend of mine, one of my college roommates, is one of only 20-something riders who is cycling cross-country in a week or so as part of Armstrong's Tour of Hope to raise funds for cancer research. Armstrong rides with them most of the way.

I suggest that you check out these two Web sites and let us know if Armstrong is still an asshole:

http://www.tourofhope.org/
http://www.livestrong.org/

Better yet, check out the bio of my friend who is going on the ride, and if you'd like, I can give you his home and work number so you can call him and tell him what an asshole Armstrong is:

http://www.tourofhope.org/team/2005_riders/millard.htm

Again, maybe Bonds and Armstrong aren't the assholes. Maybe you need to put a mirror between your balls and take a peek to find the real asshole.

Take care,
PK

[dbdynsty25]

Again, maybe Bonds and Armstrong aren't the assholes. Maybe you need to put a mirror between your balls and take a peek to find the real asshole.

Wouldn't you be looking at your dick at that point?

[pk500]

Again, maybe Bonds and Armstrong aren't the assholes. Maybe you need to put a mirror between your balls and take a peek to find the real asshole.

Wouldn't you be looking at your dick at that point?

Well, "dick" would be a fitting description, too, so it works, either way.

Take care,
PK

[bdoughty]

Sorry PK but I do not think bianary code can have feelings. Wco81.2015 just went into it's database and plucked out asshole since Bonds was referenced in the thread also.

[wco81]

None of us have met either man. So we rely on second-hand accounts of their behavior. There are second-hand accounts, maybe not as many as those involving Bonds, of Armstrong being less than civil.

As for the charity work, I don't know if Bonds does any charity work but I would be surprised if he didn't do any.

But whether they do or not doesn't change whether they're assholes or not. Does all of Armstrong's philanthropy make his ex feel better about the way he left her?

Bonds certainly has a much worse public image. But does that reflect the reality of their personalities or better PR for Armstrong, worse or no PR for Bonds?

[bdoughty]

But whether they do or not doesn't change whether they're assholes or not. Does all of Armstrong's philanthropy make his ex feel better about the way he left her?

WTF does that have to do with anything? Is he a bad father? Does he miss payments to support his kids? Should he stay in a marrige for the sake of keeping you happy?

Yep it is all going back to Sheryl Crow.

[ScoopBrady]

Well, in my experience, everyone's an asshole. The difference is how often you are.

"I knew it. I'm surrounded by assholes!" Rick Moranis

[pk500]

But whether they do or not doesn't change whether they're assholes or not. Does all of Armstrong's philanthropy make his ex feel better about the way he left her?

Well, now you've proven that the binary code that runs your life has viruses, or that you're truly ignorant.

For the last time, LANCE ARMSTRONG MET SHERYL CROW FOR THE FIRST TIME APPROXIMATELY TWO OR THREE MONTHS AFTER THE DIVORCE FROM HIS WIFE, KRISTIN, WAS FINAL.

Armstrong did not leave his wife. They agreed to divorce due to the strains that his extensive travel and periods of time away from home put on their marriage. It had ZERO to do with Sheryl Crow because Lance never had met Sheryl Crow until after he was divorced. Kristin and Lance Armstrong were divorced in the fall of 2003. Lance and Crow met at a charity function in December 2003.

Second, one of the reasons Armstrong retired was to spend more time with his kids. He and his ex-wife continue to have an amicable relationship, as they don't live far from each other in Austin so the kids can remain a big, and now bigger, part of Lance's life. Crow and Armstrong also are building their first pad together in Austin, again so Armstrong can stay near his kids. Crow gets on fabulously with Armstrong's kids, again with Kristin Armstrong's blessing.

So nice try. But you better reprogram the Boolean script in your brain that keeps spewing this mindless, false sh*t.

And finally, you're calling Armstrong's campaign to raise funds for cancer PR? You truly are an asshole, then. This isn't some celebrity playing pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey to pick a cause to make him look good in the media and public eye.

Do you forget that Armstrong had cancer in his testicles, abdomen, lungs and brain and survived? Do you understand that this guy is committed to cancer research because the disease nearly killed him?

Apparently not. You better load that portion of RAM in your brain, too.

Take care,
Seymour Cray (of course you know who he is; only you would)

[bdoughty]

And the list continues..

Took shots at Ronald Reagan in a thread dedicated to his passing and service to our country, on the day of his death and tried to make it political.

Took shots at Pat Tillman in a thread dedicated to his passing and service to our country, on the day of his death and tried to make it political.

and now we go after Lance Armstrong


I think Will Rogers rolled over in his grave and offered the following advice.

[wco81]

Wow I didn't realize Armstrong was such a personal hero of yours.

Sorry for expressing any doubt about his holiness.

Where did I claim he left his wife because of the other woman?

Armstrong himself admitted he wasn't the best husband because of the way his training consumed his life.

It's okay to question the integrity of an abrasive personality like Bonds. But do the same to a saint like Armstrong and you get called a dick and an asshole.

Such enlightened debate. Or was this about getting overwrought about personal idols?

[bdoughty]

Wow I didn't realize Armstrong was such a personal hero of yours.

Sorry for expressing any doubt about his holiness.

Where did I claim he left his wife because of the other woman?

Armstrong himself admitted he wasn't the best husband because of the way his training consumed his life.

It's okay to question the integrity of an abrasive personality like Bonds. But do the same to a saint like Armstrong and you get called a dick and an asshole.

Such enlightened debate. Or was this about getting overwrought about personal idols?

For f*ck sake BONDS admitted to taking the STERIODS. Dump that in your CAHCE for cripes sake. His integrity is tarnished because of his own actions.

In his training Armstrong is putting food on the table for his wife and kids. Just like many other people: salesmen, athletes, military. They have to spend time away from their wife and kids to make a living in their field. You see it mentioned by each that they would love to spend more time with their family but it does not make them a BAD PARENT or HUSBAND.

[pk500]

Yes, Armstrong is a personal hero of mine. But again, please substantiate your claim that Armstrong "left" his wife. It was a mutual parting. He didn't leave his wife. In fact, they separated and reunited for a brief time during 2003 before calling it quits.

And you're basing your entire argument that Armstrong is an asshole on the myth that he left his wife. So using, the binary logic that governs your existence your argument is blown to sh*t. Or to help you understand it better, your argument has just been shown the "blue screen of death."

Of course, when you're proven to be wrong in any debate, you resort to the "what enlightened debate" defense. Typical. Predictable.

Yes, Armstong is one of my idols. Just like Konrad Zuse, Vint Cerf and Seymour Cray are among your heroes, I assume.

Take care,
PK

[Zlax45]

Yes, Armstrong is tested for PERFORMANCE ENHANCING materials more then MLB players. The types of materials Armstong is using are not the same type of steriods as Bonds woudl be using. Armstrong is a endurance athlete who would have been using EPO and other forms of endurance drugs. Who says Armstrong is not using a higher drug which can't be tested for? Remember in 2000 or so there was a huge scandal with EPO and half the tour did not finish as they were booted out of the competition.

Since Armstrong is such a big name, He can get some high class drugs which can't be tested for. Also, Armstrong has a pretty strong relationship with an Italian doctor who is known for Doping athletes.

I still think you are Parker in disgiuse but that is a subject for another day.

I am sure many people had strong relationships with Jack Kevorkian, yet still lived to tell the tale. Once again BONDS admitted to taking steroids. What part of that is confusing?

I am not saying that Bonds never took steriods. I have seen no evidence of Bonds takign any known steriods. Yes, He admitted in a Grand Jury procedding that he took Human Growth Hormone whcih techincally is not a steriod. I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. Steriods are just so ancient in the use the word. Most of these athletes are using "designer" steriods.

[pk500]

Bonds admitted taking the "cream" and the "clear," both of which Victor Conte has said are steroids, right? Or were they both identified as HGH instead?

Take care,
PK

[Zlax45]

Bonds admitted taking the "cream" and the "clear," both of which Victor Conte has said are steroids, right? Or were they both identified as HGH instead?

Take care,
PK

I don't know...I thought they were HGH which is a new thing in the sports world so it is semantics anyways.

[bdoughty]

Bonds admitted taking the "cream" and the "clear," both of which Victor Conte has said are steroids, right? Or were they both identified as HGH instead?

Take care,
PK

As per the link I added on the previous page from the goverement website pdf regarding the Balco Investigation, both are Anabolic Steroids.

[Zlax45]

Bonds admitted taking the "cream" and the "clear," both of which Victor Conte has said are steroids, right? Or were they both identified as HGH instead?

Take care,
PK

As per the link I added on the previous page from the goverement website pdf regarding the Balco Investigation, both are Anabolic Steroids.

Per Link provided, The Clear is tetrahydragestrinone which is THG. They say in section 25 on page 8 that this is a designer steriod which would give the person results like steriods without testing positive.

The cream was an Anabolic steriod which could not be tested for in section 24 on pages 7 and 8.

[bdoughty]

Per Link provided, The Clear is tetrahydragestrinone which is THG. They say in section 25 on page 8 that this is a designer steriod which would give the person results like steriods without testing positive.

The cream was an Anabolic steriod which could not be tested for in section 24 on pages 7 and 8.

Okay Parker you are right on the terminology, victory is yours today. They are still both steroids (designer or off the rack), and Bonds admitted to using both. Therefore Bonds is a steroid user no matter how you slice it or dice it.

[Zlax45]

Per Link provided, The Clear is tetrahydragestrinone which is THG. They say in section 25 on page 8 that this is a designer steriod which would give the person results like steriods without testing positive.

The cream was an Anabolic steriod which could not be tested for in section 24 on pages 7 and 8.

Okay Parker you are right on the terminology, victory is yours today. They are still both steroids (designer or off the rack), and Bonds admitted to using both. Therefore Bonds is a steroid user no matter how you slice it or dice it.

Wow, I have never protected Barry Bonds and never will. Barry Bonds is a scuzzball.

[Brando70]

When did I mention race?

That's my bad. I interpreted it that way, by comparing Bonds to Armstrong. I shouldn't have assumed that. We all know what that does.

I am always willing to give any athlete the benefit of the doubt. I suspected these guys were taking steroids based on their physical changes, but thought they deserved to not be considered guilty if MLB wasn't going to test them.

In Armstrong's case, he's been tested thoroughly. He claims his innocence. Without any further proof, I think it's unethical to accuse him of something simply based on how much better her performs than anyone else. (And I don't mean you, WCO, I mean his public detractors)

[FatPitcher]

Barry told me to tell you all to stop insulting his family.

[sfz_T-car]

I guess he didn't jump off that bridge after all

[dbdynsty25]

Nice Tecmo sig there SF.