OT: Hey Barry, SHUT YOUR TRAP and just play ball

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:58 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2167567

Barry just keeps throwing more fuel on the fire. This guy needs a clue. The steroid issue is not going to go way any time soon. IMO, he's just implicating himself more so by acting like a d*ck.

He needs to get skinny to help his knees.....Riiiiiiiiight. He so full of sh*t!

Zlax45 · Post by **Zlax45** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:09 pm

sportdan30 wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2167567

Barry just keeps throwing more fuel on the fire. This guy needs a clue. The steroid issue is not going to go way any time soon. IMO, he's just implicating himself more so by acting like a d*ck.

He needs to get skinny to help his knees.....Riiiiiiiiight. He so full of sh*t!

I echo these comments by sportdan30.

Bonds is an A$$hole and dserves to be dragged down for his relationship with Anderson and other steriod users like Raffy.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:12 pm

I think Bonds can talk all he wants because anyone who already hasn't figured out that this guy arguably is the biggest asshole in major American sports doesn't have a clue.

Take care,
PK

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:12 pm

Yep

MLB is full of these steroid freaks. What makes him worse, besides the 700 HRs, is that he just doesnt shut his face.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:13 pm

"Raffy Palmeiro and I are good friends and we will stay continually good friends. Period. And I will always have respect for him as a person and a player, regardless," Bonds said.

NovaStar · Post by **NovaStar** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:22 pm

Yeah, I am of the opinion that if this guy does break the homerun record it should not count. He has obviously take steroids. He does not deserve the record.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:23 pm

Here's the initial article that got me upset. Posted yesterday:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2166165

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:56 pm

NovaStar wrote:Yeah, I am of the opinion that if this guy does break the homerun record it should not count. He has obviously take steroids. He does not deserve the record.

Considering that Gaylord Perry is in the Hall of Fame, that's not going to happen.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:04 pm

Brando70 wrote:
NovaStar wrote:Yeah, I am of the opinion that if this guy does break the homerun record it should not count. He has obviously take steroids. He does not deserve the record.
Considering that Gaylord Perry is in the Hall of Fame, that's not going to happen.

Comparing a spitball to juicing up? If you took out every pitcher from the HOF that doctored the ball it would be pretty lonely. Doctoring a ball has never bothered me and was always part of the game, like stealing signs. It is not honest but happens daily during the season.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:07 pm

I have no doubt in my mind that Bonds would have been a H.O.F. if he put up the kind of numbers he did when he came with the Pirates. Granted, he would have improved upon his power numbers in any case, but his average would have most likely remained consistent. Playing at a slimmer weight, he could have put up 30/30 years year in and year out.

I just think he just wanted more recognition than he was getting......chicks did the long ball.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:08 pm

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:13 pm

It sounds like he is still on the juice and thinks he's above the investigation. But if everyone was doing it in the last 5 years, I can't blame him for doing it too to keep up with the others, especially since MLB didn't care.

sfz_T-car · Post by **sfz_T-car** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:13 pm

It's pretty clear that Bonds cares nothing about public opinion. That's not surprising considering he never has really cared about the opinions of his teammates. He gets points for consistency at least.

He's been allowed to get away with this approach for a long time and it's very unlikely to change soon. He's not someone like McGwire or Palmeiro who tried to cop a good guy position. He won't be thought of much differently no matter what happens. Whether he breaks the HR record or gets suspended for steroids or perjury, he'll be what he's always been: a supremely talented ballplayer and a grade A jerk.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:33 pm

bdoughty wrote:
Brando70 wrote:
NovaStar wrote:Yeah, I am of the opinion that if this guy does break the homerun record it should not count. He has obviously take steroids. He does not deserve the record.
Considering that Gaylord Perry is in the Hall of Fame, that's not going to happen.
Comparing a spitball to juicing up? If you took out every pitcher from the HOF that doctored the ball it would be pretty lonely. Doctoring a ball has never bothered me and was always part of the game, like stealing signs. It is not honest but happens daily during the season.

I see, so it's okay to cheat on the mound or the basepaths but not in the batter's box.

I don't like that players have used steroids, but I don't think you start arbitrarily removing records because of it. There are countless players who have cheated who are in the HOF.

While I think Bonds is an asshole (and, like SFZ says, the most consistent asshole in sports), I kind of agree that the steroid thing has been blown way out of proportion. Steroid use is just the latest chapter in a long line of cheating in baseball. The MLB created this problem in many ways by ignoring it, now they're trying to avoid responsibility by blaming the players. I don't think you can go back and retroactively punish players for doing it when the league was practically encouraging its use.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:35 pm

Yes Leebo, I know I know. Big Mac was on the juice too. His credibility was hurt just as bad as Bonds with his lack of honesty. It's disappointing to say the least.

It's going to be interesting to see how the fans in St. Louis acknowledge him when he comes in town for the final weekend at Busch Stadium. Several dozen ex Cards will also be on hand for the ceremonious weekend. Frankly, I'm more interested to see Tudor, Coleman, Carlton, Herr, Oberkfel, etc...

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:40 pm

Brando70 wrote: I see, so it's okay to cheat on the mound or the basepaths but not in the batter's box.

I don't like that players have used steroids, but I don't think you start arbitrarily removing records because of it. There are countless players who have cheated who are in the HOF.

While I think Bonds is an asshole (and, like SFZ says, the most consistent asshole in sports), I kind of agree that the steroid thing has been blown way out of proportion. Steroid use is just the latest chapter in a long line of cheating in baseball. The MLB created this problem in many ways by ignoring it, now they're trying to avoid responsibility by blaming the players. I don't think you can go back and retroactively punish players for doing it when the league was practically encouraging its use.

I was not addressing whether Bonds should or should not be allowed in the HOF. I just think there is a gap between steroids and a spitter. In basketball and football you have flopping from defenders and offensive players to get penalties called. Every sport has "cheating" to some extent, although many refer to it as "gamesmenship". I do not consider steroids to be even close to being the later.

sfz_T-car · Post by **sfz_T-car** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:45 pm

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:51 pm

sfz_T-car wrote:http://www.hotcornersports.com/HCS1351HOF.GIF

That hits me right in the gut. Of course you could have listed most any NFL offensive lineman from the 70's up and it would not be suprising that they all took steroids. Unfortuantely the Steelers have been the most publicized in the NFL due to the deaths involved.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:51 pm

bdoughty wrote:
I was not addressing whether Bonds should or should not be allowed in the HOF. I just think there is a gap between steroids and a spitter. In basketball and football you have flopping from defenders and offensive players to get penalties called. Every sport has "cheating" to some extent, although many refer to it as "gamesmenship". I do not consider steroids to be even close to being the later.

I don't want to sound like I'm nonchalant about steroids. Unlike other methods of cheating, they are harmful as well as unethical. And I wouldn't equate steroid use with stealing signs or holding in football.

However, from a pure cheating standpoint, I don't see much difference between steroid use and altering a baseball. They are both trying to give one player an unfair and unnatural advantage over another. And that's why I was disagreeing with NovaStar's line about the home run record.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:52 pm

Or say using a corked bat?

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:59 pm

Brando70 wrote: I don't want to sound like I'm nonchalant about steroids. Unlike other methods of cheating, they are harmful as well as unethical. And I wouldn't equate steroid use with stealing signs or holding in football.

However, from a pure cheating standpoint, I don't see much difference between steroid use and altering a baseball. They are both trying to give one player an unfair advantage over another. And that's why I was disagreeing with NovaStar's line about the home run record.

Fair enough but I still disagree on the doctoring of the ball. Just think of all the hillarity from pitchers trying to hide the tools of their trade from the umps. I forget who it was that got caught on TV trying to toss his sandpaper while still on the mound but that was classic. Heck it is such an institution Tommy John got a surgery named after him.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:07 pm

sfz_T-car wrote:

Jackdog · Post by **Jackdog** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:22 pm

Bonds doesn't bother me half as much as idiots like TO,Irving,Stu Scott and countless others that pretend to be something their not. Bonds knows he's an arse. He just doesn't care. Kinda like Tony Stewart.

Bonds hits moonshots and kisses his kid at homeplate. I'll take that anyday vs the pure $hit I see every Sunday in the NFL. If I see one more chest thump from a player who's team is losing I'll puke.

I must be on drugs because I really don't care if he on the juice or not. When he steps to the plate I stop what I am doing to watch. He's a freak. The guy has awesome bat speed and it takes more that "roids" to hit a baseball.
I am sure some of my favorite NFL players were on the juice. Hell I loved Lyle Alzado. The fact he did "roids" doesn't change my opinion about him at all. If he was still alive and playing I would want him on my team.

Is Bonds an asshole? Yes. Do I mind? Not really.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:32 pm

JackDog wrote:
Is Bonds an asshole? Yes. Do I mind? Not really.

I will say this about Bonds.
His steroids are so much better than anyone elses.

He was the best player before everyone started juicing...was an HOF lock before his head grew 2-3xs.

NoJoke · Post by **NoJoke** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:37 pm

Brando70 wrote:
bdoughty wrote:
I was not addressing whether Bonds should or should not be allowed in the HOF. I just think there is a gap between steroids and a spitter. In basketball and football you have flopping from defenders and offensive players to get penalties called. Every sport has "cheating" to some extent, although many refer to it as "gamesmenship". I do not consider steroids to be even close to being the later.
I don't want to sound like I'm nonchalant about steroids. Unlike other methods of cheating, they are harmful as well as unethical. And I wouldn't equate steroid use with stealing signs or holding in football.

However, from a pure cheating standpoint, I don't see much difference between steroid use and altering a baseball. They are both trying to give one player an unfair and unnatural advantage over another. And that's why I was disagreeing with NovaStar's line about the home run record.

You can't go to jail for a corked bat or throwing a spitter. Regardless of baseball's lackadasical stance on steriods, they were illegal to own/use in this country. Criminal penalties (not game ejection) follow from breaking that law. To me that is the difference. Baseball should not need a specific policy banning things that are illegal. The fact that they even get into negotiating over this is ridiculous. Playing baseball is not a constitutionally protected right. Piss in a bottle, or find a real job (where they can make you piss in a bottle as well).

Joe

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