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Brando, what stat stuff are you referring to?
I've only played about 3 full games, but I broke a kickoff return on default All-Pro. I had the sprint button held down and noticed that all of my blockers on the right side really had their men tied up. I slanted right through it without so much as a hand touching me. I must have watched that replay ten times!Leebo33 wrote: The return game really sucks. I haven't seen a punt return come close to breaking for longer than 15 yards and kickoff returns are zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Kickoff returns are almost two easy, I returned two for TD's with Avion Cason of the Rams the other night and the Rams should just about have the worst special teams in the game. Punt returning though is almost a game killer. I've played 8 games and have yet been able to return anything over a yard or two no matter what kind of punt return formation I call. The fumbling as soon as my punt returner is hit is a huge problem to me. I almost have to call for a fair catch every time.btmmayor wrote:I've only played about 3 full games, but I broke a kickoff return on default All-Pro. I had the sprint button held down and noticed that all of my blockers on the right side really had their men tied up. I slanted right through it without so much as a hand touching me. I must have watched that replay ten times!Leebo33 wrote: The return game really sucks. I haven't seen a punt return come close to breaking for longer than 15 yards and kickoff returns are zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
I've actually had alot of success with kickoff returns. Punt returns are a totally different matter though.
Here is the best way for me to describe it. And this will be more for those who like a sim factor built into a game. If you are actually in the pocket (in real life i mean), as you take your 3-5-7 step drop, you scan the field, first read, second, etc. As you do this your head moves to look at that particular read (button press number one) once you find the read you want, you cock (insert middle school level joke here) the arm and throw to that receiver (button press number two). The two button press is forcing you to play the position as though in real life. One press to find your target, second press to throw the ball there. That's the best way for me to explain why i am enjoying the cone more than some others might be.o am I missing something here doing it the 'correct' way?
Thanks for the explanation. But let's take previous madden games for example when you had the 2 button press, one to snap the ball, the other to throw. Wouldn't that be the same thing as the vision cone? Even with it off and in past madden games, I've always read the reads before deciding when to pass. I've never really needed a cone for this. But then again, I can see where EA is going since possibly not every gamer may do reads as us hardcore gamers. This way they are forcing casual gamers to play the hardcore way?RallyMonkey wrote:Here is the best way for me to describe it. And this will be more for those who like a sim factor built into a game. If you are actually in the pocket (in real life i mean), as you take your 3-5-7 step drop, you scan the field, first read, second, etc. As you do this your head moves to look at that particular read (button press number one) once you find the read you want, you cock (insert middle school level joke here) the arm and throw to that receiver (button press number two). The two button press is forcing you to play the position as though in real life. One press to find your target, second press to throw the ball there. That's the best way for me to explain why i am enjoying the cone more than some others might be.o am I missing something here doing it the 'correct' way?
And as far as using the right stick, the reason i find that to NOT be as realistic, but i will certainly give you more difficult, is that when we look at someone, barring horrible eyesight, we look AT them and don't have to slowly move our head side to side until they are in my field of vision.
This is NOT a "the cone kicks a** and anyone who doesn't think so is a jacka**" post, but more an answer to Weaver's question as to why i think some people like the cone.
Here's how the vision cone models quarterback play beautifully-weaker quarterbacks take an extra half-second to make their decisions. If you've got a quarterback with good awareness, you can either set the right thumbstick to be in the middle and then quickly swing it over to whatever side of the field you want, or have your eyes on one receiver and then be able to switch off to a second receiver in the same general area of the field just by making one button press. But with a lesser quarterback, you need to make the extra button press to swing your vision cone from one player to another, costing you a split second. If the guy is wide open, you're going to hit him anyway, but if there was a small window, the odds are good that by the time you switch over, the window has closed. Over the course of a game, those extra split-seconds of hesitation add up to incompletions and defenders breaking on the ball. It works astoundingly well.Weaver2005 wrote:Thanks for the explanation. But let's take previous madden games for example when you had the 2 button press, one to snap the ball, the other to throw. Wouldn't that be the same thing as the vision cone? Even with it off and in past madden games, I've always read the reads before deciding when to pass. I've never really needed a cone for this. But then again, I can see where EA is going since possibly not every gamer may do reads as us hardcore gamers. This way they are forcing casual gamers to play the hardcore way?RallyMonkey wrote:Here is the best way for me to describe it. And this will be more for those who like a sim factor built into a game. If you are actually in the pocket (in real life i mean), as you take your 3-5-7 step drop, you scan the field, first read, second, etc. As you do this your head moves to look at that particular read (button press number one) once you find the read you want, you cock (insert middle school level joke here) the arm and throw to that receiver (button press number two). The two button press is forcing you to play the position as though in real life. One press to find your target, second press to throw the ball there. That's the best way for me to explain why i am enjoying the cone more than some others might be.o am I missing something here doing it the 'correct' way?
And as far as using the right stick, the reason i find that to NOT be as realistic, but i will certainly give you more difficult, is that when we look at someone, barring horrible eyesight, we look AT them and don't have to slowly move our head side to side until they are in my field of vision.
This is NOT a "the cone kicks a** and anyone who doesn't think so is a jacka**" post, but more an answer to Weaver's question as to why i think some people like the cone.
I think I am going to turn it back on but use the original method I was using. I just found the game more challanging since you are making reads with your head/eyes + trying to use your eye/hand coordination to make an accurate throw.
And I do miss the precision passing with the cone turned off. That's one thing they took from 2k that I like.
Yes and no. It was a two step process, you're right, but it was missing the step of making your progression reads then throwing. Yes, we as the gamer were looking but it wasn't built into the actual QB you were using on screen, where here with the cone system they DID build it in by making the QB "look" as well. Basically with the now THREE button process if you count the snap, you are simulating the snap, the progression, and the throw from your couch AND on screen. All three of which should require their own individual action on the controller, which i think is what they were trying to simulate.Thanks for the explanation. But let's take previous madden games for example when you had the 2 button press, one to snap the ball, the other to throw. Wouldn't that be the same thing as the vision cone?
This is not a bug. This is Madden letting you take extra time to call a play after you call a time out. The game clock is not running when this happens. The same thing is in NCAA, and you will notice in that game when you call a play before it hits 25 sec, you will hear a whistle and it will go to :25; if you don't call a play that soon, you will hear the ref's whistle when it hits :25. I don't know if they do the same thing in Madden with the whistle.Dave wrote: There is a strange bug that I have seen a few times. The play clock will suddenly jump up to around 60 seconds. Not sure the exact time--I usually don't notice it until I notice it is around 53 seconds.
Weaver2005 wrote:And I do miss the precision passing with the cone turned off. That's one thing they took from 2k that I like.
Wha. . . ? The ability to use the L stick to alter the direction of the pass has been in Madden for a long, long time. I've always found it much less twitchy and more intuitive and natural than the system 2K used.
Yeah I mentioned it...the snow sucks too. I really thought something was wrong too. It's amazing that people don't critique that stuff before it's shipped. Eesh.Brando70 wrote:I can't remember if this was mentioned earlier, but the splashing noise in the rain is the worst sound effect ever. Sounds like someone sitting on a whoopee cushion. I thought something was wrong with my audio for a minute.
Page 4 under blocking.Diablo25 wrote:A little FYI on pass protection. If this has been posted I apologize. In NFL2K5 last year I loved how you could make the HB/FB stay back and pass block. I was wondering if this could be done in Madden and I didn't see anything in the manual about it. Well, I was messing around in practice mode and I discovered how to do it. All you have to do is call a hot route, choose the HB/FB and choose the slant pattern (L or R trigger). I had Westbrook put some serious chop blocks on the D-Line by doing this.
Just to add something to this. It's not a secret that I detest this feature, but here are a couple of observations I made after playing online and being forced to use it.RallyMonkey wrote:Yes and no. It was a two step process, you're right, but it was missing the step of making your progression reads then throwing. Yes, we as the gamer were looking but it wasn't built into the actual QB you were using on screen, where here with the cone system they DID build it in by making the QB "look" as well. Basically with the now THREE button process if you count the snap, you are simulating the snap, the progression, and the throw from your couch AND on screen. All three of which should require their own individual action on the controller, which i think is what they were trying to simulate.Thanks for the explanation. But let's take previous madden games for example when you had the 2 button press, one to snap the ball, the other to throw. Wouldn't that be the same thing as the vision cone?
I hope you do give it another shot Weaver, once you get the hang of it it brings a true sense of accomplishment when you find your third read just ahead of the CB, give the thumbstick just that little nudge to lead him away from the coverage and have the WR haul it in because of everything YOU as the gamer were in control of. Good stuff and enjoy.
Why should it matter? When you use a qb like Manning you don't have to double tap that much since he can see a large chunk of the field and throwing the ball to a receiver in that area won't result in a decrease in accuracy or chance of completion. Use a guy like Rex Grossman and you have to switch to pretty much any reciever you want to pass to because his vision cone is much smaller. Any quarterback with a fully functioning neck will be able to turn their head at roughly the same speed. What you wrote just makes no sense to me.Badgun wrote:The other point I was going to make is if EA is going to allow you to double tap to bypass actually touching the stick, shouldn't they make the weaker qb's cones move across the field slower than say a Manning or Favre? I guess what I am trying to say is that if Manning's vision is so good, that you could double tap the receiver and his beam would move almost instantly to the next guy, where a guy with poor vision like Michael Vick's beam would move across the field slowly and he couldn't throw the ball until his beam got onto the receiver. It seems to not matter how big or small your beam is if you double tap.
It does make sense if you are double tapping. My point was that if you are going to the B receiver on the right side of the field, then decide to go to the X receiver on the left side of the field, it makes no difference if you're using Michael Vick or Manning, the cone is still going to be on the guy at exactly the same time. Shouldn't there some kind of penalty for double tappers? Some sort of delay?ScoopBrady wrote:Why should it matter? When you use a qb like Manning you don't have to double tap that much since he can see a large chunk of the field and throwing the ball to a receiver in that area won't result in a decrease in accuracy or chance of completion. Use a guy like Rex Grossman and you have to switch to pretty much any reciever you want to pass to because his vision cone is much smaller. Any quarterback with a fully functioning neck will be able to turn their head at roughly the same speed. What you wrote just makes no sense to me.Badgun wrote:The other point I was going to make is if EA is going to allow you to double tap to bypass actually touching the stick, shouldn't they make the weaker qb's cones move across the field slower than say a Manning or Favre? I guess what I am trying to say is that if Manning's vision is so good, that you could double tap the receiver and his beam would move almost instantly to the next guy, where a guy with poor vision like Michael Vick's beam would move across the field slowly and he couldn't throw the ball until his beam got onto the receiver. It seems to not matter how big or small your beam is if you double tap.
