NBA Playoffs, 2005

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri May 06, 2005 1:23 pm

jLp vAkEr0 wrote:Funny how no one wants to talk about how Miller botched his chance at glory by trowing up a ugly contested 3 from WAY out with almost 6 secs still remaining. That was just as big a no-no as Pierce's.

Silly us...I guess we forgot that you get kicked out of the game for shooting airballs. It's NOT EVEN CLOSE to being as bad as what PP did...you have got to be kidding me. Had the Celtics lost last night, I doubt you'd find them equally offensive.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Fri May 06, 2005 1:35 pm

Who's talking about offensive?

Both where HORRIBLE decisions.

That's my point.

Doesn't matter anyways. Pierce's teamates picked him up, so talking about his gaf is useless, unless you're a Celts or Pierce hater. Just watercooler material to ignore the fact that the Pacers blew a huge chance to end the series. If it wasn't for Pierce putting the C's on his back down 2 games to 1 on the road, game 6 wouldn't have even happened.

Hope it's a great game 7.

Go C's!

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri May 06, 2005 1:39 pm

jLp vAkEr0 wrote:Who's talking about offensive?

Both where HORRIBLE decisions.

That's my point.

My point is that if Reggie made it, would it be a horrible decision? Maybe...but NOTHING and I mean NOTHING good could have come from Paul's little elbow, NOTHING. Reggie at least has a chance, albeit slim, to make the shot and put the C's away. And I like Paul a hellova lot better than Reggie...that doesn't mean Pierce wasn't the biggest idiot on the court last night.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Fri May 06, 2005 1:47 pm

Reggie's shot wasn't a smart one at all. But as the Pacers proved in OT, might as well shoot it considering the other option appeared to be getting O'Neal the ball in a bad spot to make a play.

Pathetic offense last night...looked like Zeke had returned to the sidelines.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Fri May 06, 2005 2:02 pm

Ya, they shot a lot of 3's when they really needed a 2. What is nice about this year is we could end up with a lot of game 7's throughout the playoffs.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Fri May 06, 2005 4:42 pm

Nash=MVP

Good choice.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Fri May 06, 2005 4:53 pm

Leebo33 wrote:Nash=MVP

Good choice.

With all due respect, Leebo, I think that's a poor choice. Not that Nash isn't good, or been vital to the Suns success, but he's not even the best player on his team. Comparing guard to guard, I look at what Iverson has done this year, with a pretty terrible Philly team, and am much more impressed. I think you could actually make the case for a lot of different players, I just think calling Nash the most valuable player in the whole league is a real stretch.

vinny-b · Post by **vinny-b** » Fri May 06, 2005 5:08 pm

congrats to Steve Nash. Well deserved.

now, GO SUNS !

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri May 06, 2005 5:48 pm

Brando70 wrote:I just think calling Nash the most valuable player in the whole league is a real stretch.

Well, having watched all but two games this year...Nash is the most valuable player on the Suns, and in the league. There is virtually NO DOUBT about it. They were 2-5 without him and they really don't look all that good when he goes to the bench for a breather. Remember, it's virtually the same team, sans Q-Rich, that won all of 29 games last year. To jump to 62 is AMAZING and 90% of that is because of Steve Nash.

You don't go from missing the playoffs completely to having the best record in the league (especially playing in the West) without some help...that help was Steve Nash.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri May 06, 2005 5:49 pm

And remember...Most Valueable is completely different than Most Dominant. Sure, Shaq is the most dominant, no one will argue that...but the Heat were decent without him in the regular season. The Suns were not.

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:07 pm

I'd vote for him for MVOP.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:27 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:And remember...Most Valueable is completely different than Most Dominant. Sure, Shaq is the most dominant, no one will argue that...but the Heat were decent without him in the regular season. The Suns were not.

But DB, by that argument, the Mavs were 8 games better this year without Nash than they were with him.

I'm not debating Nash had a brilliant season and is the lynchpin to the Suns being so dominant. But I thought Bill Simmons really nailed it a few weeks ago:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... 0408&num=0

Compare Miami and the Lakers these last two years. Pretty clear who made the difference on both clubs. Meanwhile, Dallas did just fine, and the Suns would have gone to the playoffs without Nash.

Then you have Iverson. Carried the Sixers all year. This team doesn't come close to sniffing the playoffs without him. Doubled Nash's scoring, was fifth in assists, and second in steals. I realize the MVP is often as much of a team award as it is an individual award, and Nash certainly was a top 5 or 6 player this year. I just don't think he was the best. My two cents, for what they're worth (which is literally about 2 cents).

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Fri May 06, 2005 7:05 pm

Iverson would have been my choice, just a bit over Nash just for the fact that he had far less talent around him.

Both guys numbers were unreal.

I'm happy for Nash.

reeche · Post by **reeche** » Fri May 06, 2005 7:11 pm

Basketball is the toughest sport to pick an MVP in. (Hell I would have given it to Lebron myself this year) Every season there are a least a half a dozen players who are easily eligible to win. I don't really have a problem with it going to Nash. He made the Suns a much better squad this year in the same way that Jason Kidd did when he came to the Nets and was edged out by Tim Duncan for the MVP. Point Guard is the most difficult position to play and it deserves more respect so a Nash win is fine by me.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri May 06, 2005 7:47 pm

Brando...

I read that article and laughed at his conclusion that a 42 game swing was more impressive than the 33 games the Suns put up BY THEMSELVES. The 20 game swing in the East with the addition of Shaq is not nearly as impressive as the 33 games in the west...anyone who says otherwise is just foolish.

Now, as for Dallas being just as good this year...it helps when you draft PG's (daniels) and trade for them (jason terry). They had a lot of players that were on the bench behind nash that could play...and it also helped that they have traded for the farm (what is their payroll compared to the Suns, get back to me on that one). The Suns are doing this with the 2nd or 3rd lowest payroll in the league. Granted, that will change when Johnson and Amare' get their extensions, but you get the idea.

Bill Simmons whole article can be argued against and it's fairly easy to discredit virtually everything he said.

reeche · Post by **reeche** » Fri May 06, 2005 7:51 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:Brando...

I read that article and laughed at his conclusion that a 42 game swing was more impressive than the 33 games the Suns put up BY THEMSELVES. The 20 game swing in the East with the addition of Shaq is not nearly as impressive as the 33 games in the west...anyone who says otherwise is just foolish.

Now, as for Dallas being just as good this year...it helps when you draft PG's (daniels) and trade for them (jason terry). They had a lot of players that were on the bench behind nash that could play...and it also helped that they have traded for the farm (what is their payroll compared to the Suns, get back to me on that one). The Suns are doing this with the 2nd or 3rd lowest payroll in the league. Granted, that will change when Johnson and Amare' get their extensions, but you get the idea.

Bill Simmons whole article can be argued against and it's fairly easy to discredit virtually everything he said.

I like The Sports Guy and his articles always provide good basketball debate but I don't agree with him here and also on his Reggie Miller wasn't a superstar take.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Fri May 06, 2005 9:39 pm

reeche wrote:Basketball is the toughest sport to pick an MVP in. (Hell I would have given it to Lebron myself this year) Every season there are a least a half a dozen players who are easily eligible to win. I don't really have a problem with it going to Nash. He made the Suns a much better squad this year in the same way that Jason Kidd did when he came to the Nets and was edged out by Tim Duncan for the MVP. Point Guard is the most difficult position to play and it deserves more respect so a Nash win is fine by me.

Reeche, that's true, and this year in particular, there were a lot of deserving players. I also see where DB is coming from. It is good to see a great ball distributor like Nash getting the nod over scorers. There's no arguing from me that he was the key to Suns season.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sat May 07, 2005 9:10 am

jLp vAkEr0 wrote:Iverson would have been my choice, just a bit over Nash just for the fact that he had far less talent around him.

Both guys numbers were unreal.

I'm happy for Nash.

Iverson had a great season. It was probably his best ever. They probably figured that they would give it to Nash this year since AI is going to win it next year

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Sat May 07, 2005 9:03 pm

This is for you Javi:

Javi wrote:Did I say Celtics in 6?

Ok I changed my mind. C's in 5.

No, seriously, that 1st half was total domination. Even though they started 1-13 from the field they still won the half by over 20 pts.

Celtics just have too much firepower for Indiana.

Then:

dbdynsty25 wrote:Wanna bet that the C's lose to Indiana in the series? So what, you played one good half.

To which you responded:

Javi wrote:I'd actually take that kind of bet.

I don't see how someone would have so much faith in a team run by Anthony Johnson and that his only inside threat has a bumed shoulder.

Bye bye Celtics...down by 18 on your home floor in the 4th quarter. Way to sack it up and compete.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Sat May 07, 2005 9:24 pm

Oops...I mean down 26 in the 4th...eesh.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sat May 07, 2005 10:49 pm

guess we didn't need to worry about banning Parker, the Pacers took care of him for about a week at least.

What a sh*tty series though. I'm glad my boy Reg gets to play on, but unless playing Detoilet gets them pumped more than any other team in the history of the NBA, they are in for trouble. Could happen though. For about the 258th time, I'll admit to having no clue on how to predict what this Pacer team can do.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Sat May 07, 2005 10:53 pm

Dave wrote:guess we didn't need to worry about banning Parker, the Pacers took care of him for about a week at least.

That would be correct. Once again Lady Karma comes to bite one of his Boston teams in the buttock. The only reason the Red Sox won last year was because she had no ass left to bite on.

Classic pic sf_z

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sat May 07, 2005 11:53 pm

Were the Rockets unaware of their game 7 tonight?

Memo to the current version of the Boston Celtics:

You had nothing to do with all of those banners hanging from the rafters. Will you please stop running your mouths now?

vinny-b · Post by **vinny-b** » Sun May 08, 2005 12:09 am

delightful evening of NBA basketball, on this day.

Indiana advances over Boston. And the Suns get Dallas instead of Houston. I am not tryin to put anything on them, but the thought of facing Houston concerned me. Go SUNS!