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Brando70 wrote:But you've seen what you're going to get out of Moore, and that's not enough to win the AFC East. He is, at best, Kyle Orton, and I don't even think he's that good. Bradford played pretty well for a rookie, and he clearly was dogged by injuries this year. His upside is obviously a lot better than Moore's.

The Dolphins are definitely the better team, but there are a lot of red flags. Was Reggie Bush's season a breakout or an anomaly? Do you want to take a job in the AFC East or the NFC West? I'd much rather take my chances against Harbaugh and Alex Smith than Hoodie and Brady.

Also, the Ditka trade is the dumbest move in draft history. A team should NEVER give up that much for one player in football, simply because the violent nature of the game ends careers so quickly. It's the draft equivalent of pushing all your chips on hard 10.
True...however, Miami is a fairly young team that played pretty damn well despite their record. To speak to your points:

Reggie was not an anomaly...it's the first time he's been given the workload of a feature back. The Saints never did that with him and he stayed relatively healthy (I attribute that to playing on grass most of the time) and the game he missed was after he got hurt on the turf in New York. The Miami offensively line knows how to run block...and they had quite a few injuries and a giant turnstile in Marc Columbo in there half the time. So fixing the O-Line with that one position will be a huge priority this offseason and should make the line even better next year.

Yes, they know what they are going to get from Moore...and I have a feeling Bradford is going to be about the same. Yes, higher ceiling, but I don't think he's going to reach it...at least in St. Louis. Miami has better receivers and a better line...that's not going to change overnight, which means Bradford is going to be picking himself up off his back for years to come. What they get from Moore is definitely enough to win the AFC East. Had he started from game 1 instead of game 6 this year, and they hadn't blown two games he started because the D got tired (Dallas and Denver), they would have been near the top of the division.

As for the Ditka trade...yeah it was dumb FOR THEM. The Saints were a middling team without much direction and without many strong units. Ricky made them just above average and that's it. Miami is already average and can become good all while being young all over the field due to fairly good drafts of late and some nice FA signings especially on D. By adding a Franchise QB w/ this draft they would be set. Not really sure who I'd rather have between Luck and RGIII, but either one has a higher upside than Bradford and Moore. If Miami can trade a couple firsts and some lower round picks for either of them...I'm all for it. I don't think we'll ever see anyone trade an ENTIRE draft...but half of two drafts...sure.
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I don't think Fisher gives two shits about anything football related to either team. He's arguably the best HC on the market right now and he has the perfect scenario with two teams fighting for him. Like everything in professional sports today, it will come down to $$$ and who offers him the most. Both jobs will be similar and it's not like he's going to fix either team in just one season.

Money talks and bullshit walks... nothing has changed...
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MizzouRah wrote:Money talks and bullshit walks... nothing has changed...
Yeah he's definitely walking the bullshit. Still don't think he's a great coach and definitley not worth the $7+ million per year. Solid, yeah. Great, no.
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MizzouRah wrote:Money talks and bullshit walks... nothing has changed...
Yeah he's definitely walking the bullshit. Still don't think he's a great coach and definitley not worth the $7+ million per year. Solid, yeah. Great, no.
That's the best either the Rams or Dolphins can get right now. What great coach is available? Great coaches tend to fall into three categories: Employed as head coaches by NFL teams; enjoying highly-paid, cush jobs as TV analysts while losing more touch daily with the true nitty-gritty of running a team; retired.

Cowher, Dungy and Gruden fall into category No. 2. Parcells and probably Billick are in category No. 3.

Look at all the retreads who either continue to get jobs or interviews -- Gailey, Crennel, Schottenheimer, Mularkey, etc., etc. -- and Fisher looks like a decent option as a head coach.
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pk500 wrote:Look at all the retreads who either continue to get jobs or interviews -- Gailey, Crennel, Schottenheimer, Mularkey, etc., etc. -- and Fisher looks like a decent option as a head coach.
Yes. He's the best Miami can do, given the fact that they really shouldn't have fired Sparano. And now, of course, he's on the rival Jets.
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Interesting read about value pricing NFL quarterbacks:

http://nyjetscap.com/2011_Efficiency/valueprice.php
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Brando70 wrote: Hey, Chicago DSPers, did you feel a rumble just now? I think XXXIV's head just exploded. :D
Fortunately or unforunately :P my DSP persona doesnt cause any actual siesmic activity or it would be really ugly on that there Richter Scale.

Like I said before, at this point I dont care any more who the f*** signs with, I just wanted the d*****bag to sign with someone so the Rams can get on with it.

The thought of the Rams having to scramble for a HC and a GM on the clock so they can start on the draft and other offseason activities is frightening.
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pk500 wrote:
Rodster wrote:
That's the best either the Rams or Dolphins can get right now.
There's no doubt about that and he's making sure he can get as much $$$ as he can, not that I blame him.
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Thank You JESUS !

Fisher is the Rams new HC. :)
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I don't know if I'd exactly be thanking Jesus...especially when you see the crap the Dolphins DO hire. I'd be very afraid, not thanking Jesus. Especially because Ross wouldn't get rid of Ireland or at least strip some of his control. Ugh.
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dbdynsty25 wrote:I don't know if I'd exactly be thanking Jesus...especially when you see the crap the Dolphins DO hire. I'd be very afraid, not thanking Jesus. Especially because Ross wouldn't get rid of Ireland or at least strip some of his control. Ugh.
You're right wrong choice of words. Thank You TEBOW ! :)

Suck it Stephen Ross I hope the Dolphins suck ass until you sell the team. Sparano wasn't the problem. Fisher knew what hell hole was waiting for him with those 3 backstabbers. Good for him, now give the job to Todd Bowles.
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It is mildly, alright completely, ironic that now the Rams hold the key to Miami's draft if they want to move up to grab RGIII. If Fisher is making the decisions, will he trade with Miami now that he was strongarmed out of town essentially? Gonna be a fun draft.
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Good.... Now they can move on and get to their bigger problem, a GM who can draft and evaluate players.

The thing that worries me is that it reads like the biggest reason the whiner chose the Rams is that he didnt like the GM in Miami. Does this mean that the head coach is going to basically be picking the GM ala the dumbass Bears? Dont like that. At all.
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I put my money on Tebow this weekend but after seeing that awful wrap song that ESPN was running last night I wouldn't be upset if he had a career ending injury this weekend.
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Rodster wrote: Suck it Stephen Ross I hope the Dolphins suck ass until you sell the team. Sparano wasn't the problem. Fisher knew what hell hole was waiting for him with those 3 backstabbers. Good for him, now give the job to Todd Bowles.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a deep-pocketed owner who's willing to spend. The 49ers owners have been cheap and now, they have one good season and they're trying to fleece the fans with tickets for the new stadium.

We don't know that they will spend the payroll to improve the team but they want fans to pony up.
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XXXIV wrote:
Good.... Now they can move on and get to their bigger problem, a GM who can draft and evaluate players.

The thing that worries me is that it reads like the biggest reason the whiner chose the Rams is that he didnt like the GM in Miami. Does this mean that the head coach is going to basically be picking the GM ala the dumbass Bears? Dont like that. At all.
I actually would rather have my HC choose his whole staff, even the GM and let him run the team his way.
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MizzouRah wrote:
XXXIV wrote:
Good.... Now they can move on and get to their bigger problem, a GM who can draft and evaluate players.

The thing that worries me is that it reads like the biggest reason the whiner chose the Rams is that he didnt like the GM in Miami. Does this mean that the head coach is going to basically be picking the GM ala the dumbass Bears? Dont like that. At all.
I actually would rather have my HC choose his whole staff, even the GM and let him run the team his way.
Doesnt that then make him the de facto GM and the GM is then his asst?.... Did Fisher have that kind of power with the Titans?

I guess a team with 15 wins over 5 seasons doesnt have anything to lose or much choice... Thats 15-65 over the last five seasons. I love those guys. :D

If hes good at it then it will work out and I know it seems like I'm hanging the guy before he even gets to the team so Ill give him a break.
Ill back off of him til after his first move. Then its open season on guppies. :P
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Doesnt that then make him the de facto GM and the GM is then his asst?.... Did Fisher have that kind of power with the Titans?

I guess a team with 15 wins over 5 seasons doesnt have anything to lose or much choice... Thats 15-65 over the last five seasons. I love those guys. :D

If hes good at it then it will work out and I know it seems like I'm hanging the guy before he even gets to the team so Ill give him a break.
Ill back off of him til after his first move. Then its open season on guppies. :P
I guess.. I just don't understand why football teams have one guy drafting players and another guy coaching them, etc.. maybe the GM does all the leg work for the HC? I also laugh when teams like Dallas have an owner giving his input on team decisions.
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Fisher wanted to dump Vince Young and the owner didn't back him. So that's probably why he wants final say over personnel.

Parcells wanted to "shop for the groceries" not just cook the food. He had the stature and the clout to demand that power.

Does Fisher have similar stature?
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MizzouRah wrote:
I guess.. I just don't understand why football teams have one guy drafting players and another guy coaching them, etc.. maybe the GM does all the leg work for the HC? I also laugh when teams like Dallas have an owner giving his input on team decisions.
It's the workload. Coaches in the NFL put in insane crazy hours, and not just the head coaches. The senior coaching staff will often get only four or five hours of sleep a night from Monday through Friday at the facility. It's not uncommon at all, and that's just doing the game preparation work. There just isn't time for the head coach to then also take command of the GM duties, which include, besides scouting college players as well as current NFL players, handling the salary cap, negotiating conract extensions for current players, and on and on.

There's just too much to do. Different organizations divide the labor differently, for sure. My understanding is that Fisher never wanted to draft Young in the first place, and that's led to the ultimate result of the team getting rid of both so many years later. I do know that as great as Joe Gibbs was, if it wasn't for the brilliance of Bobby Beatherd picking the players, heading up the draft, handling all the scouting etc, those Redskins teams would not have been nearly as successful, because once Beatherd left, the player acquisition side of things fell apart. Desmond Howard for your #1 pick, anyone? And the more recent Gibbs regime has also proven to be lackluster at best if not downright disastrous in terms of team building and player acquistion, at least on the college side.

So sometimes even a great coach needs a better GM selecting the players. But certainly when you have problems like they had in Tennessee, it's not good. On the other hand, Holmgren never set the world on fire in Seattle when he had full control.

There's no one correct formula, for sure, but there's no question that one man cannot effectively perform the massive task of game preparation on the coaching side and be competent in terms of player scouting and draft preparation. It takes a team of people in any case.
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Looks were in for a great reffing job again today. The ref closest to that fumble and looking right was pretty insistant that the ball was down.

Get that doucebag ref off of the field now!
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I hate the Niners more than most people but that level of incompetence drives me nuts.
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And somethings are always the same XXXIV vs the NFL Zebras. :)
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