MLB 2K7

kicko · Post by **kicko** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:35 pm

look in the slider thread

RallyMonkey · Post by **RallyMonkey** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:11 pm

Question to those of you playing a season or franchise. Have any of you purchased the Inside Edge thing for your opponents. And if so are you finding that it makes the game to "easy" in the sense that you always feel compelled to a) on the mound make the pitch to the weak areas and b) at the plate you are always looking for pitches in the blue?

I know major leaguers always scout the opposing pitcher (and pitchers scout batters) so in principle it makes sense, but i'm just nervous about it making the game too robotic. Thoughts.

Bill_Abner · Post by **Bill_Abner** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:11 pm

Sudz wrote:
MizzouRah wrote:Testing games have gone to s***, plain and simple.
agreed.

It may not be all testing. A lot of what testers find isn't fixed. At E3 last year I spoke with an MMO tester and I was amazed at what they go through and how frustrated a lot of them are because they go through the process and the stuff that they report just gets flat ignored. I dunno if this was the case here or not (I really doubt that all of these issues were simply missed, though), but laying blame at the feet of the testing group may not be entirely fair. The game needs a healthy patch, though. If it would receive ANY post release attention it could be a classic game.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:19 pm

Bill_Abner wrote:
Sudz wrote:
MizzouRah wrote:Testing games have gone to s***, plain and simple.
agreed.
It may not be all testing. A lot of what testers find isn't fixed. At E3 last year I spoke with an MMO tester and I was amazed at what they go through and how frustrated a lot of them are because they go through the process and the stuff that they report just gets flat ignored. I dunno if this was the case here or not (I really doubt that all of these issues were simply missed, though), but laying blame at the feet of the testing group may not be entirely fair. The game needs a healthy patch, though. If it would receive ANY post release attention it could be a classic game.

I'm believe you, I'm sure that happens as well. It just kills me that games are released so "early" nowdays. I would bet one more month on MLB 2k7 and some of these issues could have been fixed.

I don't mind the, (darth vader voice)"3 Year Plan", but at least make year one playable in franchise mode.

Sudz · Post by **Sudz** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:20 pm

Bill_Abner wrote:
Sudz wrote:
MizzouRah wrote:Testing games have gone to s***, plain and simple.
agreed.
It may not be all testing. A lot of what testers find isn't fixed. At E3 last year I spoke with an MMO tester and I was amazed at what they go through and how frustrated a lot of them are because they go through the process and the stuff that they report just gets flat ignored. I dunno if this was the case here or not (I really doubt that all of these issues were simply missed, though), but laying blame at the feet of the testing group may not be entirely fair. The game needs a healthy patch, though. If it would receive ANY post release attention it could be a classic game.

not blaming the testers...just the process.

kevinpars · Post by **kevinpars** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:25 pm

I know from working on business products that sometimes when i would point out minor issues, I would be met with comments from development like "Look buddy, I am trying to get the system to run and you are bring me this stuff?"

As for a patch, let's face it, this stuff needs to be fixed anyway. Why not spend the time to get some of it done up front and throw those of us who paid $60 for an unfinished product a bone to hold us over until next year???

Bill_Abner · Post by **Bill_Abner** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:45 pm

kevinpars wrote:
As for a patch, let's face it, this stuff needs to be fixed anyway. Why not spend the time to get some of it done up front and throw those of us who paid $60 for an unfinished product a bone to hold us over until next year???

Heh, yep. There is no excuse. None. And yes Sudz it's all about the process. With 2K kicking EA out of the market (basically) why is there the need to ship the game in February? Would another month have killed the game's sales that much? In speaking with Neil (FatPitcher), it would take about a month to fix the major franchise issues. No way would it take more than that to fix the run scoring bug and the unearned run stat bug. It would probably take more time to fix the base running speed/AI/Arm stregnth stuff that drives me loopy, but still, any additional development time is a bonus as far as I am concerned because it helps ensure a more complete product.

I had hoped that all of this exclusive license nonsense would have had the positive effect of allowing developers more time to, you know, make the games. Man was I naive.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:07 pm

Naive? You're not the only one Bill... especially with the new direction 2k sports was taking with it's baseball game.

I'm mostly a sports game player and when I can't play a franchise with a game, it really makes me stand back and wonder if I should just stick with pc text sims.

The game has a TON of potential, but every time I start to get engrossed in the game, something makes me shake my head.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:22 pm

MizzouRah wrote:every time I start to get engrossed in the game, something makes me shake my head.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I was out of town this week so I only got to play a little of the show on PSP. I really enjoyed the few games I played with tons of user walks and solid baseball. I come back and play 2K7 with Heelfan's sliders for the first time today and the games are pretty fun...until the CPU decides to lead off 5 straight innings hitting batters. They get 4 pitchers ejected and Bobby Cox gets ejected *twice*...LOL.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:28 pm

I don't think so. It does add an extra measure of strategy to the game, due to the fact that you have to choose how to spend your $$$ for the reports. Also, I NEVER get reports on a pitcher because that does make it too easy. If its a tough team that I will need help beating, I will usually get the reports on 3 or 4 of their best hitters. If it's a weaker team, I don't do anything. You also want to wait a bit and save some $$$ for the stretch run to the playoffs!!

RallyMonkey wrote:Question to those of you playing a season or franchise. Have any of you purchased the Inside Edge thing for your opponents. And if so are you finding that it makes the game to "easy" in the sense that you always feel compelled to a) on the mound make the pitch to the weak areas and b) at the plate you are always looking for pitches in the blue?

I know major leaguers always scout the opposing pitcher (and pitchers scout batters) so in principle it makes sense, but i'm just nervous about it making the game too robotic. Thoughts.

Slumberland · Post by **Slumberland** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:50 pm

Well, if you don't want to mess with sliders, I guess you have to be willing to settle for games like I just had... losing 6-5 with every single run coming on a solo homerun and three robbed homers, including two by that bastion of athleticism Shawn Green. Har.

Gurantsu · Post by **Gurantsu** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:01 pm

You have to mess with the sliders for sure. Since I did I haven't seen any of that stuff. Vader and I had a league game online using my sliders and there weren't even any runs until the ninth, and only one HR when his pitcher served up a meatball to me.

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:14 pm

Has anyone experienced a game without the CPU scoring on a HR?

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:37 pm

10spro wrote:Has anyone experienced a game without the CPU scoring on a HR?

Do you mean hitting a homerun and not getting the run? Or the CPU not hitting a homerun in a game?

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:59 pm

JRod wrote:
10spro wrote:Has anyone experienced a game without the CPU scoring on a HR?
Do you mean hitting a homerun and not getting the run? Or the CPU not hitting a homerun in a game?

CPU hitting a homer on every game. No matter which slider I tinker with it would be nice to have a game without the CPU scoring on homers for a change.

kicko · Post by **kicko** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:06 pm

yes i have had a few with no cpu hr's

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:55 pm

The majority people are on the bandwagon, the same majority is off the bandwagon. Just enjoy it for what it is....a videogame. Quit disecting every little piece of the game, and have fun.

Bill_Abner · Post by **Bill_Abner** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:02 am

sportdan30 wrote:The majority people are on the bandwagon, the same majority is off the bandwagon. Just enjoy it for what it is....a videogame. Quit disecting every little piece of the game, and have fun.

Damn right. This board has way too many negative nellies for my taste!

(Odd, though. ...Whose the minority?)

Gurantsu · Post by **Gurantsu** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:55 am

10spro wrote:Has anyone experienced a game without the CPU scoring on a HR?

All the time.

Wilk5280 · Post by **Wilk5280** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:59 am

I finally played a game online with a buddy of mine and it was a great experience. We each used a lot of strategy with pithcers, pinch hitters, pinch runners etc. Final score was 4-3 in 10 innings. Just one HR in the game.

It's only one game, but IMO I think the game is much more enjoyable online. But then again, I think that about all sports games so it's nothing new.

b_assassin · Post by **b_assassin** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:21 pm

I really want to like this game, and I can be pretty forgiving of a lot of things, but MLB 2k7 has proven to be very a frustrating game to play. I've messed with sliders, changed hitting and pitching controls and I still can't seem to stop the CPU from killing me with HRs. It feels like there is some serious catch-up logic in this game for the CPU, because out of the 10 or so games I've played, almost every time I get ahead, the next inning they start hitting home runs and just crush me. MLB 2k7 has a lot going for it in the presentation department, but the exaggerated power hitting just drives me nuts. Oh, and here is the kicker, I'm only playing on PRO difficulty!!! I'm not a stickler for realism, but the way the CPU just jacks HRs on a whim in this game feels very cheap to me.

I'm not going to give up yet, but I may just have to get updated rosters for MVP 05, and play that for a 3rd year in a row... How is that for a "3-year plan"?

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:29 pm

b_assassin wrote:I really want to like this game, and I can be pretty forgiving of a lot of things, but MLB 2k7 has proven to be very a frustrating game to play. I've messed with sliders, changed hitting and pitching controls and I still can't seem to stop the CPU from killing me with HRs. It feels like there is some serious catch-up logic in this game for the CPU, because out of the 10 or so games I've played, almost every time I get ahead, the next inning they start hitting home runs and just crush me. MLB 2k7 has a lot going for it in the presentation department, but the exaggerated power hitting just drives me nuts. Oh, and here is the kicker, I'm only playing on PRO difficulty!!! I'm not a stickler for realism, but the way the CPU just jacks HRs on a whim in this game feels very cheap to me.

I'm not going to give up yet, but I may just have to get updated rosters for MVP 05, and play that for a 3rd year in a row... How is that for a "3-year plan"?

It's posts like this that make me wonder if I am playing the same game. It's weird with this game, some people are experiencing what you are with a lot of HR's and there are just as many people out there who aren't experiencing that problem. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it from a settings, sliders, difficulty level standpoint.

PadresFan104 · Post by **PadresFan104** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:33 pm

I agree with BK..

I'm in my 3rd 10 game season with the Padres. I have not had any HR problems with my rotation, although I did once give up back to back HR's with Wells. So far, in my 3rd season, after 3 games, I've hit 2 HR's, and have given up only 1!

I play with modified Pro sliders, but I haven't touched the AI hitting sliders at all. I raised the pitching interface speed to 90 to make it more challenging, lowered the AI outfielder speed to try and reduce the number of robbed HR's, and increased my baserunners speed just a bit. I play with Classic hitting, and use the Left Stick from time to time, but it is never an easy HR.

I generally let the catcher call the game, and I live on the corners. My last game was a 9 inning complete game shutout by Young who gave up 6 hits and 2 walks. It was tough pitching in the last 3 innings as his stamina dipped below 25%.

Anyway, in close to 30 games now on the Pro level (or close to it), I've not had any problems with HRs or being able to K the AI. Now, I did try playing one game on All-Star, and DID see the ball flying out of the park. I know that it's too small of a sample size, but it was enough to send me back to Pro and what felt like a more realistic game.

My last thought is with regards to user skill level. I'm 38, and an average game player. Doesn't matter what game it is (GoW, Halo, NHL, etc.), I don't hang very well with the majority of folks on-line. That being said, maybe the Pro difficulty level just "fits" me better??

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:24 pm

I'm having a really tough time finding a good balance between too much offense and too little. While Ks and CPU-hit HRs are at a fantastic balance in my games, there just isn't enough of anything else put together on offense.

My offensive output is almost completely tied to my ability to swing at the right pitches, which is exactly what it should be.

Maybe if I knew what more of the sliders actually mean (some seem redundant), then I could pin-point a way to get more singles and doubles from the CPU without losing Ks or adding too much power. As is, most of my adjustments have to do with throwing power, fielder/runner speed, and CPU take/swing setting.

The Pro level seems like a much more balanced game, my All Star experiences have been pretty crappy.

b_assassin · Post by **b_assassin** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:30 pm

Thats cool that you guys are enjoying it, maybe I need to change up the way I play baseball games to have fun with it. I've mostly been ignoring the catcher, because just throwing where the computer tells me doesn't feel much like a game to me. I try to live on the corners myself, but that hasn't had any effect on whether I get shelled or not. I haven't bought any of the Inside Edge scouting reports, maybe I need to invest more heavily in those to have a fighting chance.

Ultimately, I think it could be that 2k's style of play has evolved into something I just don't find all that fun anymore. Sure the graphics and presentation are top notch, but when I get into the game I don't feel very engaged in the action, and the constant cut scenes, pauses, etc. don't really help that at all. I'll keep trying to get to that "ah ha!" moment where the game clicks and I can get into it, but right now it feels like I wasted my money.