True...BUT...when nearly 90% of your passes travel less than 10 yards it's pretty tough to get those picked (unless you're Chad Henne). Brady has a TON of weapons that Vick doesn't have. That's why the advantage has to go to Vick. The only nick on his resume is the four missed games.Brando70 wrote:Definitely deserving, but I think at this point I'd give it to Brady. As good as Vick has been, he's thrown 5 picks in his last four games. Brady hasn't thrown one in two months. That's astounding for a pass-heavy offense like the Patriots.
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I can see Brady getting it as he has had a tremendous season but the way Vick has put the team on his back and carried them has been above and beyond. He has been as much of a one man show as an NFL player can be....or maybe I just have had enough of Brady and hate the Patriots?dbdynsty25 wrote:True...BUT...when nearly 90% of your passes travel less than 10 yards it's pretty tough to get those picked (unless you're Chad Henne). Brady has a TON of weapons that Vick doesn't have. That's why the advantage has to go to Vick. The only nick on his resume is the four missed games.Brando70 wrote:Definitely deserving, but I think at this point I'd give it to Brady. As good as Vick has been, he's thrown 5 picks in his last four games. Brady hasn't thrown one in two months. That's astounding for a pass-heavy offense like the Patriots.

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Tebow is hitting in Denver at the right time. Had he come in during the McDouche era, I think he would have been carried out with the bath water. Now with the time struggling to find any hope -- McD set the team back 3-4 years -- fans are finding anything to root for. His throwing motion looks more like Vicks than a QB and he doesn't seem to be as mobile in the NFL due to the speed. Plus you saw more leadership in the sidelines from Tebow than Orton and Cutler combined. I think D found it's QB and franchise player to lead it out of the McD era. It's up to Tebow now.
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I hate the Pats and Brady but I don't think Vick is hurting in the supporting players department.dbdynsty25 wrote: Brady has a TON of weapons that Vick doesn't have.
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I would definitely take DeSean Jackson, Maclin, and LeSean McCoy over BenJarvis, Welk-ah, and Branch. The Patriots line is definitely better but I think the Eagles have better skill positions.Danimal wrote:I hate the Pats and Brady but I don't think Vick is hurting in the supporting players department.dbdynsty25 wrote: Brady has a TON of weapons that Vick doesn't have.
It's definitely splitting hairs -- Vick has had an amazing season. I just don't see the award as cut and dried with the way Brady is playing.
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Add the two RIDICULOUSLY talented tight ends, and it puts the Pats significantly over the top. Maclin sucks btw. Pats definitely have a superior team talent wise on the offensive side of the ball. And again, 90%, NINETY percent of his throws are 10 yards or less and the receivers do the rest. That's a crazy stat.Brando70 wrote:I would definitely take DeSean Jackson, Maclin, and LeSean McCoy over BenJarvis, Welk-ah, and Branch. The Patriots line is definitely better but I think the Eagles have better skill positions.Danimal wrote:I hate the Pats and Brady but I don't think Vick is hurting in the supporting players department.dbdynsty25 wrote: Brady has a TON of weapons that Vick doesn't have.
It's definitely splitting hairs -- Vick has had an amazing season. I just don't see the award as cut and dried with the way Brady is playing.
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They're able to run with the ball after catch because he delivers it on time and with accuracy. They rarely have to leap or lunge for the ball, which not only makes them vulnerable to getting jacked up but they're able to get good RAC.
Brady and Rivers when they check down do it with way better accuracy and timing than most other QBs, which leads to a lot of YAC. Whoever Brady's backup is wouldn't be able to get the same kind of production with the short passing game.
Brady and Rivers when they check down do it with way better accuracy and timing than most other QBs, which leads to a lot of YAC. Whoever Brady's backup is wouldn't be able to get the same kind of production with the short passing game.
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Didn't Matt Cassel do just that a couple of years ago, parlaying his success into a fat contract with the Chefs?wco81 wrote: Whoever Brady's backup is wouldn't be able to get the same kind of production with the short passing game.
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Good point. He did have a lot of success but it wasnt crazy Brady like success.GTHobbes wrote:Didn't Matt Cassel do just that a couple of years ago, parlaying his success into a fat contract with the Chefs?wco81 wrote: Whoever Brady's backup is wouldn't be able to get the same kind of production with the short passing game.
Kurt Warner was great at hitting his guys in stride. He was missed when his days with the Rams ended as he is missed in Arizona now.
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I don't think he had to rely on the short passing game. Still had Moss who had over 1000 yards that year and 11 TDs.
Plus his QBR was 90. Respectable but not all-world by any means.
Not sure if there are stats on RAC for the team that year vs. this year.
I remember Cassell having some big games later in the year and he was making plays out of the pocket or keeping plays alive, kind of like Rothlisberger. Brady hits those timing passes, which is why he's far more consistent.
Plus his QBR was 90. Respectable but not all-world by any means.
Not sure if there are stats on RAC for the team that year vs. this year.
I remember Cassell having some big games later in the year and he was making plays out of the pocket or keeping plays alive, kind of like Rothlisberger. Brady hits those timing passes, which is why he's far more consistent.
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Disappointing game vs the Chiefs.. but we are still atop this atrocious division!
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Saw this on Peter King's column today -- I agree with him and hope Ed Sabol does finally get into the Hall of Fame this year. He definitely deserves it.
"While we're on the subject of Ed Sabol ...
I've been an outspoken proponent of Sabol for enshrinement in the Hall. I'm just hoping when the list of 2011 finalists is pared from 26 to 15 this week by the selectors that Sabol's name is on it. I want to see him get a full and fair airing when we gather for the Hall vote Feb. 5 in Dallas, the day before the Super Bowl.
The other day, the ubiquitous Steve Sabol forwarded me a letter his dad got upon his 1995 retirement from NFL Films, which he founded. It was co-signed by former commissioner Pete Rozelle and the commissioner at the time, Paul Tagliabue. The part I'll share with you: "Dear Ed, The league has had its share of special people -- owners such as Mara, Marshall and Rooney, coaches such as Halas and Lombardi, and players such as Staubach and Motley. But there was only one founder and chairman of NFL Films, the organization that has done as much to give NFL Football a special dimension and extraordinary mystique for fans as any group ever association with the league.''
"If it were not for Ed Sabol,'' Vikings president Max Winter said in 1975, the National Football League Films may yet be portrayed as a Mack Sennett Comedy Classic.'' Even at the expense of a very deserving player, it's long past time that Ed Sabol gets in.
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"While we're on the subject of Ed Sabol ...
I've been an outspoken proponent of Sabol for enshrinement in the Hall. I'm just hoping when the list of 2011 finalists is pared from 26 to 15 this week by the selectors that Sabol's name is on it. I want to see him get a full and fair airing when we gather for the Hall vote Feb. 5 in Dallas, the day before the Super Bowl.
The other day, the ubiquitous Steve Sabol forwarded me a letter his dad got upon his 1995 retirement from NFL Films, which he founded. It was co-signed by former commissioner Pete Rozelle and the commissioner at the time, Paul Tagliabue. The part I'll share with you: "Dear Ed, The league has had its share of special people -- owners such as Mara, Marshall and Rooney, coaches such as Halas and Lombardi, and players such as Staubach and Motley. But there was only one founder and chairman of NFL Films, the organization that has done as much to give NFL Football a special dimension and extraordinary mystique for fans as any group ever association with the league.''
"If it were not for Ed Sabol,'' Vikings president Max Winter said in 1975, the National Football League Films may yet be portrayed as a Mack Sennett Comedy Classic.'' Even at the expense of a very deserving player, it's long past time that Ed Sabol gets in.
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He should be inducted in the HOF, why not? Madden popularized the game in the late 70's and Ed Sabol was also a contributor to it earlier on as well. I used to love watching NFL Films.
Speaking of the Vikings someone posted a Youtube video with a montage and music from NFL Films.
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Well time for me to eat crow. I said to everyone this year the Bears were a 4-5 win team. As things we're going good and then took a left turn early I still didn't believe.
I'm still not sure how far they can go, they are a Jekyl and Hide team. However this team is closer to being really good then I thought, hopefully the invest heavily in the offensive line next year because I think that's the one thing holding them back.
It's all playing with house money right now, I don't care who their wins were against they were wins. Time to sit back and enjoy the ride, and Devin Hester you're the most humble player to ever come out of the U.
I'm still not sure how far they can go, they are a Jekyl and Hide team. However this team is closer to being really good then I thought, hopefully the invest heavily in the offensive line next year because I think that's the one thing holding them back.
It's all playing with house money right now, I don't care who their wins were against they were wins. Time to sit back and enjoy the ride, and Devin Hester you're the most humble player to ever come out of the U.
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I had them as a 9 or 10 win team, but I thought that the Packers would be much better than they have been. OTOH, I didn't expect the OL to remain this inconsistent all year long, and I certainly didn't expect them to be in a position to sweep the division.Danimal wrote:Well time for me to eat crow. I said to everyone this year the Bears were a 4-5 win team. As things we're going good and then took a left turn early I still didn't believe.
I'm still not sure how far they can go, they are a Jekyl and Hide team. However this team is closer to being really good then I thought, hopefully the invest heavily in the offensive line next year because I think that's the one thing holding them back.
It's all playing with house money right now, I don't care who their wins were against they were wins. Time to sit back and enjoy the ride, and Devin Hester you're the most humble player to ever come out of the U.
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I really didn't think the Bears would win more than 7 games this year, and I thought a 5 or 6 win season wasn't out of the question. But aside from the Pats debacle, they've played really well since the bye week.
I agree with Dan that the o-line is by far the weakest link. Martz has done a good job adjusting the playcalling to compensate, however.
I think their playoff chances rest on them not falling behind early. If they get into a situation where they have to abandon an pretext of the run game, they will get destroyed because the line can't handle a pass rush that doesn't have to worry about the run. But if they can control the game and maintain a commitment to the run, they can probably play with any of the NFC teams.
I agree with Dan that the o-line is by far the weakest link. Martz has done a good job adjusting the playcalling to compensate, however.
I think their playoff chances rest on them not falling behind early. If they get into a situation where they have to abandon an pretext of the run game, they will get destroyed because the line can't handle a pass rush that doesn't have to worry about the run. But if they can control the game and maintain a commitment to the run, they can probably play with any of the NFC teams.
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So listening to the radio this morning some caller reported if you watch the replay of Devin Hesters record breaking return you see a Viking player #50 come off the sideline and chase Hester. This guy comes from 10 yards deep off the field, he certainly doesn't look like someone who was blocked out of bounds.
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I predicted 10-6 for the Bears with the division coming down between them and the Packers. I figured the addition of Peppers and Urlacher coming back would put their defense back in the top 5 area with a special teams unit that would also be top 5. Any time you have a team with 2 of the 3 phases playing at that level you've got a good team. Their offense only has to do what they did last night. I think Martz and Cutler finally understand that. Brando is right, if the defense comes to play this team is very dangerous.
I posted this on Facebook but wanted to share here to regarding how impressive Devin Hester's numbers are. They're staggering.
Brian Mitchell = 14 years 463 punt returns with 9 touchdowns
607 kickoff returns with 4 touchdowns
Devin Hester = 5 years 175 punt returns with 10 touchdowns
112 kickoff returns with 4 touchdowns
I don't know if anyone saw his postgame press conference but it was refreshing to see a player so humble and emotionally connected to his teammates.
I posted this on Facebook but wanted to share here to regarding how impressive Devin Hester's numbers are. They're staggering.
Brian Mitchell = 14 years 463 punt returns with 9 touchdowns
607 kickoff returns with 4 touchdowns
Devin Hester = 5 years 175 punt returns with 10 touchdowns
112 kickoff returns with 4 touchdowns
I don't know if anyone saw his postgame press conference but it was refreshing to see a player so humble and emotionally connected to his teammates.
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Bingo! Indeed he has. I didnt know if it would be possible but a couple of months ago he put his ego aside and adapted to the players he has. He has been calling great games.Brando70 wrote: Martz has done a good job adjusting the playcalling to compensate, however.
God bless the mad one and Lovie too. These two bozos have been to a Superbowl together before. We might be seeing a rematch with the holy Pats in Dallas.
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14 return TDs in 5 seasons is crazy. He also has had at least 4-5 this season where he was incredibly close to breaking them for scores (including his kick return to the 5 last night). Really great to see him get the record last night.ScoopBrady wrote:I predicted 10-6 for the Bears with the division coming down between them and the Packers. I figured the addition of Peppers and Urlacher coming back would put their defense back in the top 5 area with a special teams unit that would also be top 5. Any time you have a team with 2 of the 3 phases playing at that level you've got a good team. Their offense only has to do what they did last night. I think Martz and Cutler finally understand that. Brando is right, if the defense comes to play this team is very dangerous.
I posted this on Facebook but wanted to share here to regarding how impressive Devin Hester's numbers are. They're staggering.
Brian Mitchell = 14 years 463 punt returns with 9 touchdowns
607 kickoff returns with 4 touchdowns
Devin Hester = 5 years 175 punt returns with 10 touchdowns
112 kickoff returns with 4 touchdowns
I don't know if anyone saw his postgame press conference but it was refreshing to see a player so humble and emotionally connected to his teammates.
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Vinny's favorite Head Coach is back in the news over foot fetish videos. Watching him squirm during a press conference was priceless. 

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Wow! What a half Rams. Totally dominate a mother f***in half but give up a punt a return and a fluke 60 yd pass play to be down 14-12.
Sigh...This is what happens when you play like girls. Play scared. They are from SF and you are out gaying them.
Spags...Stop with this weak and gutless approach cause you lose to this s*** team again and Im getting the lynch mob together.
Shurmer...you are already to dead me. f***in p***y!
Sigh...This is what happens when you play like girls. Play scared. They are from SF and you are out gaying them.
Spags...Stop with this weak and gutless approach cause you lose to this s*** team again and Im getting the lynch mob together.
Shurmer...you are already to dead me. f***in p***y!
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Yeah.. how can you allow those two freaking plays?
They really need to get Alexander involved more!!!
They really need to get Alexander involved more!!!