XBox One AND PS4 Discussion

[webdanzer]

As a long time poster here and SR for over a decade I'm not exactly sure what I've done for you to question my integrity and I resent it. Might be my last straw here....but I'll send it to you.

For the record, I am bummed that MS didn't get to try this...just wasn't going to be an early adopter.

Please hang around. You don't post as frequently as you used to, but I value your thoughts and opinions when you do.

[Danimal]

I'll send you a PM with it.

As a long time poster here and SR for over a decade I'm not exactly sure what I've done for you to question my integrity and I resent it. Might be my last straw here....but I'll send it to you.

For the record, I am bummed that MS didn't get to try this...just wasn't going to be an early adopter.

Sorry my post came off wrong. Bad way to make a point. I don't need your ID.

I started selling board games on ebay last month, maybe 2. I haven't sold that many because it's a major pain in the ass (for me) and this is where I am making $100-$200 on a sale.

I couldn't imagine doing it to make $20 on a video game. However maybe people do, maybe the flip there old games to make $10-$20 more, maybe I am out of touch and its more than that.

I'm just curious if somehow we had metrics how many people sell used games on ebay vs trading them into GS or Best Buy

[Danimal]

Dang double post

[Macca00]

Heartbroken Xbox One employee lets rip.

First is family sharing, this feature is near and dear to me and I truly felt it would have helped the industry grow and make both gamers and developers happy. The premise is simple and elegant, when you buy your games for Xbox One, you can set any of them to be part of your shared library. Anyone who you deem to be family had access to these games regardless of where they are in the world. There was never any catch to that, they didn’t have to share the same billing address or physical address it could be anyone. When your family member accesses any of your games, they’re placed into a special demo mode. This demo mode in most cases would be the full game with a 15-45 minute timer and in some cases an hour. This allowed the person to play the game, get familiar with it then make a purchase if they wanted to. When the time limit was up they would automatically be prompted to the Marketplace so that they may order it if liked the game. We were toying around with a limit on the number of times members could access the shared game (as to discourage gamers from simply beating the game by doing multiple playthroughs). but we had not settled on an appropriate way of handling it.

THAT was their 'unique' sharing feature? A glorified demo service that, I should add, has been present on PSN Plus for more than a year and you don't have to be someone's family member to do it. You can do that s*** on PSN + NOW - want to play Fuse? You can play the entire game off the store for 60 minutes, FREE. NOW.

Again, not sure what the hell this 'feature' has to do with XBONE DRM and why it needs to be removed when you can do it on the PS3 now.

The more I read about what's being cut out the more I wonder who are the bigger whiners - the raging internet nerds (me) or Microsoft.


Leebo,
Dan may not, but I need, nay DEMAND, your ID!

[Danimal]

Macca,

Once again we're assuming this blog post is from a real MS employee and not someone trying to stir up more crap.

[Macca00]

Macca,

Once again we're assuming this blog post is from a real MS employee and not someone trying to stir up more crap.

Ah, true dat.

But if it is true I'll put that up there with the 'infinite power of the cloud' bullsh!t that Microsoft has been sprouting.

[LAking]

Gamespot says that Amazon XONE preorders are now leading over the PS4 since the announcement.

I had read shortly before the announcement that XB1 was already shooting up the charts on Amazon. It was on there "movers and sellers' list (I had not heard of this before) which apparently usually contains much lower cost items, not $500 consoles.

[dbdynsty25]

I started selling board games on ebay last month, maybe 2. I haven't sold that many because it's a major pain in the ass (for me) and this is where I am making $100-$200 on a sale.

I couldn't imagine doing it to make $20 on a video game. However maybe people do, maybe the flip there old games to make $10-$20 more, maybe I am out of touch and its more than that.

I've sold probably 100 games on eBay over the years. It's pretty simple really. I've explained all that to you in PMs and that other ebay thread, but as soon as you get a system down, it's a piece of cake. 15 bucks to 50 bucks, it doesn't matter. Money is money. That's how I fund all my toys, reselling old stuff...I hate having a 20 dollar bill sitting on shelf not being used. That's the way I look at it. That was the main reason I jumped on PS4 before this backtrack, but I'll likely still be PS4 just because I don't want to buy two next gen systems and I NEED MLB the Show.

[Danimal]

I've sold probably 100 games on eBay over the years. It's pretty simple really. I've explained all that to you in PMs and that other ebay thread,

I know you did and it helped and I know how to do it. However I still find it a pia to package and ship the board games. I would guess video games just need envelopes. Not so much with a 15 pound board game

[dbdynsty25]

I've sold probably 100 games on eBay over the years. It's pretty simple really. I've explained all that to you in PMs and that other ebay thread,

I know you did and it helped and I know how to do it. However I still find it a pia to package and ship the board games. I would guess video games just need envelopes. Not so much with a 15 pound board game

Absolutely. Just grab a 20 pack from Costco, and drop em in the mail. Print labels at home (costs all of $2.50 to ship games) and just bring them to work and drop em in the out box. Easy as pie. So selling video games is actually fairly profitable and doesn't take much time at all. It was a definite advantage of the PS4 (tho not anymore).

[Inuyasha]

[vader29]

[Leebo33]

Sorry my post came off wrong. Bad way to make a point.

I accept your apology and I know I was oversensitive but I just didn't like the condescending tone of a lot of the posts in these console discussion threads. It seems like if you don't agree with the way MS was implementing DRM or the always-on Kinect then you were essentially an uninformed boob who was easily swayed by the evil Internet by the people in "tin hats" and those entitled folks that like to steal food off of the plates of developer's children. Never mind that there are plenty of people dissenting that are professionals and *are* informed and just don't agree. Or in my case as a person with a finance background...show me...give me something tangible I can sink my teeth into or some way that I can run some numbers on cost. Or freaking blow me away on new features that I want to pay a premium for. Don't blame me when, without evidence to the contrary and as an offline gamer who rarely even used his online passes, I was looking at at least a hundred dollars of extra expense for the console, hundreds of dollars for xbox live over the life of the console , and hundreds of dollars of extra expenses for games (I can only go on what I was paying last generation and what I could sell game for...I'm too much of a skeptic to buy this "games will go on sale!" when they already do now frequently...check the deal thread. Now a $10-20 discount for digital downloads under the price of physical media would have caught my attention and I could care less how many games I could sell to my people on my friends list).

Teal mentioned it was like an election and the discourse was certainly heading in that direction. It's not enough to tout your candidate you have to besmirch others or use them as an example of the dimwitted unwashed masses. No offense.

Let's face it. If Microsoft truly believed that this was the future they wouldn't have done the 180 months before launch. If they did and just reversed course due to losing the sprint instead of the marathon then do you really want to tie the future of gaming to a company like that? Someone will come along and make it work if there is a market for it. There was a videogame market before 2001. Apple didn't invent the MP3 player or smart phone. Amazon wasn't the first online retailer. Hopefully a company with a true vision will make it happen. This is a short term setback. The Internet doesn't kill ideas...companies with poor planning, no backbone, and even worse public relations do. Or maybe the potential millions of dollars in lost day one sales to a multi-billion dollar company will do it. If so, we are in trouble.

I didn't pre-order a PS4 and not an Xbone because I am old school, misinformed, greedy, or resistant to change. I pre-ordered a PS4 because I want to play better looking games at a reasonable price after resale, enjoy some next gen features like the suspend feature, have an extra Blu-Ray player in the house, and play The Show. And before people respond...I do know that Xbone has some of these needs...just wanted to point out why I'm not waiting a year for the dust to settle.

[Teal]

"If Microsoft truly believed that this was the future they wouldn't have done the 180 months before launch. If they did and just reversed course due to losing the sprint instead of the marathon then do you really want to tie the future of gaming to a company like that? Someone will come along and make it work if there is a market for it."

Microsoft also has to make money, and when the kerfuffle became an unfortunate and wholly unneeded flood of bandwagon-jumping nonsense ("they're coming to take me away-ho, ho, ha, ha") then MS had to do something, even though what they had was a tremendous opportunity, but that hardly mattered if the lynch mob was going to hang them anyway. Yes, someone WILL come along and "make it work". Someone tried. It was MS. And they got unnecessarily shitcanned for it.

I don't bear you any ill will, Leebo, truly I don't. But most of the cacophany was unnecessary white noise, playing on fears. That's it.

[Brando70]

Some of the features that are lost would be nice, but nothing worth getting hysterical about. The family share thing was almost surely going to have some restrictions. Playing without a disc is still possible with digital downloads. Having to play with the disc in the machine if you have a physical copy is not that big of a deal.

This is all on MS and not on the public. If the XBone features were so rainbow-sparkle-pony fantastic, they wouldn't have completely reversed themselves on the "essential" elements of their platform. They were so convoluted and elusive about the benefits and restrictions that they had their entire message curbstomped in one 30 second clip from their competitor. You could ask their PR department to write about the benefits for a blowjob and they would make it sound like it was more trouble than it was worth.

[Leebo33]

I heard just as much white noise from those in favor though. Games will go on sale if they are digital! Just for the heck of it go look through the deal thread for the past 12 months and count the sales of console games and then consider that the thread is probably only a fraction of the actual deals on games available and doesn't even take into consideration the resale markets where tremendous value can be had outside of Gamestop.

[Teal]

This is all on MS and not on the public. If the XBone features were so rainbow-sparkle-pony fantastic, they wouldn't have completely reversed themselves on the "essential" elements of their platform. They were so convoluted and elusive about the benefits and restrictions that they had their entire message curbstomped in one 30 second clip from their competitor. You could ask their PR department to write about the benefits for a blowjob and they would make it sound like it was more trouble than it was worth.

They did a poor job of explaining what many, more than are being counted, completely understood, and welcomed. That's true. But the line about "if MS REEEEAAALLY believed in what it was doing, they wouldn't have caved" is SOO incredibly convenient it's unreal. It's the free market, and MS heard the mob, tried to explain it to the mob, along with others who have been doing so...but the mob didn't want to hear it. They had the storyline they wanted, fanned into flame by Sony and it's "HEY, WE'RE NOT LIKE THOSE GUYS!" PR stunt at E3, and that was it. There was never going to be any explanation that would suffice. So...they caved. Not because they didn't believe in what they have, but because, unfortunately, perception is reality.

[webdanzer]

You could ask their PR department to write about the benefits for a blowjob and they would make it sound like it was more trouble than it was worth.

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[webdanzer]

but because, unfortunately, perception is reality.

Reality is reality. MS had DRM policy and ownership restrictions that people did not like. Sony did not.

[Teal]

I heard just as much white noise from those in favor though. Games will go on sale if they are digital! Just for the heck of it go look through the deal thread for the past 12 months and count the sales of console games and then consider that the thread is probably only a fraction of the actual deals on games available and doesn't even take into consideration the resale markets where tremendous value can be had outside of Gamestop.

But not deals that keep game makers from shutting their doors due to lack of income, because of the asinine trade in policies. When a game is traded in, and resold, it financially benefits everyone but the people who spent all that time and money making and publishing the game. Once it leaves first purchase, they never see another dime. Do you think musicians would bother if they didn't get royalties off of radio play and other avenues? No. Of course not. What if a baseball player only got paid by the first team he played for, but as soon as he got traded, he was never making another dime? It's not fair for everyone to make out like bandits except the creators of the games.

Truthfully? I couldn't care less about the used games market anymore. Because the free market, as it has been demanded by the consumers, just can't continue to justify doing business when people want something for nothing.

Besides that, if you ever use Steam...well, you're kinda talking out of both sides of your mouth, brother.

[Leebo33]

Darn it. My company just announced that it changed its entire long range plan 2 weeks after announcing it because some of our customers complained. Or maybe it was because most of them complained. One or the other. Either way, they just played it safe and decided to do exactly what the biggest competitor is doing. I'm so comfortable with that I'm investing my entire 401k in company stock. Thank you masses!

[Teal]

but because, unfortunately, perception is reality.

Reality is reality. MS had DRM policy and ownership restrictions that people did not like. Sony did not.

Nope. It wasn't the reality they didn't like. It was the world-ending cataclysmic scenarios that they didn't like. And that was nothing more than a perception. And a tremendously faulty one at that.

[dbdynsty25]

Besides that, if you ever use Steam...well, you're kinda talking out of both sides of your mouth, brother.

I have no idea how this relates as Steam is almost the only way to play most games on the PC. You simply HAVE to use it. I hate it, yet I use it because games look better on the PC than they do on the 360/PS3 currently. Yes, I lose out on my eBay sales after I'm done with the game, but that's something I weigh with each Steam purchase. Do graphics and control with the mouse and keyboard, outweigh the cost of missing out on a resale at the end of my time with the game? That's not him talking out of both sides of his mouth, that's him giving in to what is the dominant product on the PC.

[Teal]

Darn it. My company just announced that it changed its entire long range plan 2 weeks after announcing it because some of our customers complained. Or maybe it was because most of them complained. One or the other. Either way, they just played it safe and decided to do exactly what the biggest competitor is doing. I'm so comfortable with that I'm investing my entire 401k in company stock. Thank you masses!

Wait...see, that's my problem with this. First, you complain about what they're doing, then they change, and...you complain about that! It's surreal. It's also why my stance has been for them to hold the line. Because I knew this would happen.

[Teal]

Besides that, if you ever use Steam...well, you're kinda talking out of both sides of your mouth, brother.

I have no idea how this relates as Steam is almost the only way to play most games on the PC. You simply HAVE to use it. I hate it, yet I use it because games look better on the PC than they do on the 360/PS3 currently. Yes, I lose out on my eBay sales after I'm done with the game, but that's something I weigh with each Steam purchase. Do graphics and control with the mouse and keyboard, outweigh the cost of missing out on a resale at the end of my time with the game? That's not him talking out of both sides of his mouth, that's him giving in to what is the dominant product on the PC.

You still have a choice. You just choose not to exercise it.