MLB 2K7

kevinpars · Post by **kevinpars** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:58 pm

One thing I dislike about this game is that the pitcher flawlessly covers first base on ground balls and catches the wild flips from the first baseman with perfect timing each time.

And every time it happens, even if it is 3 times a game, Joe Morgan tells us why: "PFP, pitcher's fielding practice."

tjung0831 · Post by **tjung0831** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:59 pm

Inuyasha wrote:MVP was a good game but I think it's overrated as a sim. What made MVP great to play was that it was FUN. It had flaws just like any other game, but you could live with those since it was a game that sucked you in.

Just give me a fun game that gives me a good variety of outcomes I'll happy. So far 2k7 is doing that for me.

Exactly, that's how I judge games these days. Fun factor is the #1 thing on my list and 2K7 delivers it much like MVP did for me a few years ago.
I have yet to really see any lineup bugs at this point but the only lineup I care about in my franchise is mine and i've got total control over that.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:12 pm

When u say "immersive" what exactly are you referring to?
I think the crowd is much more responsive and the overall audio atmoshere in The Show is more immersive than 2K7. I do like the hecklers in 2K7 though.

MizzouRah wrote:
JackB1 wrote: If 2K7 didn't have the swing stick and it's pitching interface, it would be in the garbage and it would be The Show all the way.
This is where you are wrong. The Show has bugs just like MLB 2k7 has. The thing is, MLB 2k7 is WAYYYY more immersive than The Show, warts and all.

I'm actually enjoying Morgan and Miller for some reason.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:22 pm

There is a Show thread, there is also a thread for 2k7 vs Show thread you created. How about you take tese comments over there.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:25 pm

great line!

very "PK-like" !

dbdynsty25 wrote: It is about as far from rock solid as Rosie O'Donnell's midsection.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:28 pm

To counter the large HR numbers, maybe we should try the following....

-Don't use power swing at all
-Up the power settings so a normal swing will produce more HR's
-lower contact to make up for always using the "contact" swing

This should result in less HR's and more hit variety and more doubles into the gaps. I think we did something similiar in previous year's 2K bball games.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:28 pm

Danimal wrote:There is a Show thread, there is also a thread for 2k7 vs Show thread you created. How about you take tese comments over there.

It's lonely in those threads.

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:30 pm

JRod wrote: It may be immersive but it doesn't play as good a game of baseball as MVP. MVP gets the nuts and bolts right. Second you are comparing "presentation" based on a game that was release in 2005. Why not you just go back to high heat baseball. I think comparing MVP and 2k7 is silly because there's no more MVP.

Then you have the bugs. 2k7 is a bug filled mess. I see one every other game. It's really stupid.

If you strip away the presentation you have a game that isn't really complete. I don't buy the 3 year plan.

Completely disagree. But to each their own I guess.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:30 pm

MizzouRah wrote:
Danimal wrote:There is a Show thread, there is also a thread for 2k7 vs Show thread you created. How about you take tese comments over there.
It's lonely in those threads.

True

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:01 pm

Slumberland wrote:
JRod wrote:I don't buy the 3 year plan.
I know making absolute statements at the earliest possible date is de rigeur on videogame message boards, but I don't know why you would say this. Remember MVP 2003? Catchers that wouldn't tag people and other such marvels? They got it worked out.

Well MVP was a new game. Maybe they used some stuff from the old triple play game.

This is not a new game. It is the same game with a lot of new stuff. Take ball physics for example, I remember seeing the infield lobbed throws for some time now. It doesn't affect the game but I've seen that for years now.

Like I've said, I have zero faith that 2k Sports can put together a complete game. I've only seen NBA 2k pull it off. And MLB 2k7 is still a bug riddled mess. It reminds me of Madden. It could be a great game but they can't put it all together.

Sudz · Post by **Sudz** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:10 pm

JRod wrote:
Slumberland wrote:
JRod wrote:I don't buy the 3 year plan.
I know making absolute statements at the earliest possible date is de rigeur on videogame message boards, but I don't know why you would say this. Remember MVP 2003? Catchers that wouldn't tag people and other such marvels? They got it worked out.
Well MVP was a new game. Maybe they used some stuff from the old triple play game.

This is not a new game. It is the same game with a lot of new stuff. Take ball physics for example, I remember seeing the infield lobbed throws for some time now. It doesn't affect the game but I've seen that for years now.

Like I've said, I have zero faith that 2k Sports can put together a complete game. I've only seen NBA 2k pull it off. And MLB 2k7 is still a bug riddled mess. It reminds me of Madden. It could be a great game but they can't put it all together.

or need to. what else you going to play on the 360?

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:23 pm

bkrich83 wrote:
JRod wrote: It may be immersive but it doesn't play as good a game of baseball as MVP. MVP gets the nuts and bolts right. Second you are comparing "presentation" based on a game that was release in 2005. Why not you just go back to high heat baseball. I think comparing MVP and 2k7 is silly because there's no more MVP.

Then you have the bugs. 2k7 is a bug filled mess. I see one every other game. It's really stupid.

If you strip away the presentation you have a game that isn't really complete. I don't buy the 3 year plan.
Completely disagree. But to each their own I guess.

You and Tjung can salivate all you want on the graphics and immersion factor.

I'm talking baseball 101. I think Abner's blog does a good job to point out some of the same things I'm seeing.

The pitchers are defensive gold glove winners. I'm tired of seeing bunts getting picked up by the pitchers who palm the ball and threw to 2nd.

I don't think the batting engine is all the sophisticated either. I see far too many pitches away being driven deep to the batter's strong side. Maybe once in a while but it happens far too often. It appears to me its not a real-time batting model.

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:43 pm

What's the last game you liked JRod? In any genre.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:46 pm

ScoopBrady wrote:What's the last game you liked JRod? In any genre.

I think it was chess.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:49 pm

MVP was a new game but it took them 3 years in that series to get it right (MVP05).

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:49 pm

Brando70 wrote:
ScoopBrady wrote:What's the last game you liked JRod? In any genre.
I think it was chess.

Nope, that 2 forward, 1 across bullshit with the knights killed it for him.

Sport73 · Post by **Sport73** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:58 pm

I love MLB2K7 for what it is, but I also see the flaws pointed out herein.

- Too many HR's
- Incomplete batting physics, too easy to pull and inside pitch etc.
- Gold glove pitcher fielding
- Sloppy fielding in general thanks to awkward momentum and bad camera
- Pitching is too precise

All that said, I still enjoy the game. MVP is (was) the better game in my opinion, but this is all we've got. Sliders help, and MLB2k8 will fix a lot more. Nonetheless, this game is more than good enough, deep enough, and entertaining enough to hold my attention for the season; it also does many things far better than other games.

webdanzer · Post by **webdanzer** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:04 pm

ScoopBrady wrote:
Brando70 wrote:
ScoopBrady wrote:What's the last game you liked JRod? In any genre.
I think it was chess.
Nope, that 2 forward, 1 across bullshit with the knights killed it for him.

Hee hee!

The castling mechanics are broken, man!

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:06 pm

JRod wrote:
bkrich83 wrote:
JRod wrote: It may be immersive but it doesn't play as good a game of baseball as MVP. MVP gets the nuts and bolts right. Second you are comparing "presentation" based on a game that was release in 2005. Why not you just go back to high heat baseball. I think comparing MVP and 2k7 is silly because there's no more MVP.

Then you have the bugs. 2k7 is a bug filled mess. I see one every other game. It's really stupid.

If you strip away the presentation you have a game that isn't really complete. I don't buy the 3 year plan.
Completely disagree. But to each their own I guess.
You and Tjung can salivate all you want on the graphics and immersion factor.

I'm talking baseball 101. I think Abner's blog does a good job to point out some of the same things I'm seeing.

The pitchers are defensive gold glove winners. I'm tired of seeing bunts getting picked up by the pitchers who palm the ball and threw to 2nd.

I don't think the batting engine is all the sophisticated either. I see far too many pitches away being driven deep to the batter's strong side. Maybe once in a while but it happens far too often. It appears to me its not a real-time batting model.

Abner's blog. LOL.

We must be playing different games. Thanks for teaching me baseball 101.

And you are going to get on the batting model, yet praise MVP? Ok.

Like I said to each their own.

Heelfan71 · Post by **Heelfan71** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:10 pm

I'm talking baseball 101. I think Abner's blog does a good job to point out some of the same things I'm seeing.

The pitchers are defensive gold glove winners. I'm tired of seeing bunts getting picked up by the pitchers who palm the ball and threw to 2nd.

Abners Blog does a good job of ruining the game for most people so I stay far away.

I have errors boosted up and my pitchers actually drop alot of the balls they try and barehand. But if Abner says its bad, I guess I will just take it back.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:24 pm

I think there's something to be said about over-analyzing games. A few years ago, I got into the whole sliders thing, and basically would not enjoy any games I played since I was looking for perfect settings. I took a step back and now just enjoy games for what they're for. I'll do some slider adjustments here and there, but I don't obsess over them any longer. There's no perfect game.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:26 pm

I agree the batting engine is suspect. Using the hitstick, I can "swing to pull" (circle up to the left) an outside pitch and hit it over the wall in left.
That should hardly ever happen. If you try that in MVP or The Show, you will hit a weak grounder.

JRod wrote: I don't think the batting engine is all the sophisticated either. I see far too many pitches away being driven deep to the batter's strong side. Maybe once in a while but it happens far too often. It appears to me its not a real-time batting model.

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:33 pm

JackB1 wrote:I agree the batting engine is suspect. Using the hitstick, I can "swing to pull" (circle up to the left) an outside pitch and hit it over the wall in left.
That should hardly ever happen. If you try that in MVP or The Show, you will hit a weak grounder.

JRod wrote: I don't think the batting engine is all the sophisticated either. I see far too many pitches away being driven deep to the batter's strong side. Maybe once in a while but it happens far too often. It appears to me its not a real-time batting model.

Disagree on the Show. At least last years version. I yanked many an outside offspeed pitch over the left field wall.

Not sure on MVP. I haven't played it since last year.

Spooky · Post by **Spooky** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:29 pm

Inuyasha wrote:I think there's something to be said about over-analyzing games. A few years ago, I got into the whole sliders thing, and basically would not enjoy any games I played since I was looking for perfect settings. I took a step back and now just enjoy games for what they're for. I'll do some slider adjustments here and there, but I don't obsess over them any longer. There's no perfect game.

Exact-o-mondo!!!!

You're at the wrong site if you don't like over-anaylizing sports games though!

The slider threads RUINED hockey games for me and almost came close to baseball until I learned to completely ignore them.

Constant slider adjusting is the craziest thing to me. IMO, most sliders are just there for a placebo effect. I don't doubt that most may actaully do something, but you probably need to make drastic changes to really notice. If not, then you'd literally have to make one notch setting changes on each slider one by one and then play 5-10 games to see if things are really consistantly different. That would take years and years.

Look at Web's posts..he thought he had it figured out and then completely changed his thought. Not blaming him, just stating that the games can be SO different every time with even the slightest slider adjustments.

Do most of you slider freaks even have ANY fun playing the games???

spooky157 · Post by **spooky157** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:47 pm

Spooky wrote: Do most of you slider freaks even have ANY fun playing the games???

PLAY the game? What's he talking about?