The IPhone is totally awesome oh my gawd thread

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:28 pm

For the record, the only time I see ANY signal loss is if I cover the bottom left corner of the phone flush. I dont do that with any grip I use. I wouldn't have known about the signal loss if I wouldn't have read about it. Doesn't make it excusable...just saying. All things considered the phone has been superb. I can't get over the display. It's so crisp and sharp. Impressive.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:59 pm

Diablo25 wrote:For the record, the only time I see ANY signal loss is if I cover the bottom left corner of the phone flush. I dont do that with any grip I use. I wouldn't have known about the signal loss if I wouldn't have read about it. Doesn't make it excusable...just saying. All things considered the phone has been superb. I can't get over the display. It's so crisp and sharp. Impressive.

If you had only seen the 3GS display previously, hell yeah it's an awesome display. They finally made that a priority along with a flash on the camera. At least they are catching up now. Their slogan is pretty ridiculous now..."this changes everything again"...not quite sure how that fits since the iPhone literally does nothing that Android doesn't do. So hmmm...

Glad you guys are catching up tho...I LOVE me some competition. Windows Smartphone 7 is SCREWED. They aren't going to even make a dent in Apple or Androids market share. Why even bother?

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:18 pm

The androids and apple competition is really about finding two niches and two strategies.

The andriods are going the commodity route, meaning to have their OS on every device they can at a cheap price. Google might have features and selling more of their OS phones but they behind Apple in terms of perception and other sources of revenue. Apple has the juggernaut of their store and google is trailing in the department and probably won't catch up. Second is perception which is more important than reality whether people like it our not. Apple creates the perception that it's cutting edge and generates an emotional connection to its products. Google could all these new features and it would still not see hundreds of people line up for its phone. People standing in line means sales and hype which means later sales.

People can say Apple needs to catch up all they want but they are the market leaders. Being first to market isn't as important as being first in that market.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:35 pm

JRod wrote:The androids and apple competition is really about finding two niches and two strategies.

The andriods are going the commodity route, meaning to have their OS on every device they can at a cheap price. Google might have features and selling more of their OS phones but they behind Apple in terms of perception and other sources of revenue. Apple has the juggernaut of their store and google is trailing in the department and probably won't catch up. Second is perception which is more important than reality whether people like it our not. Apple creates the perception that it's cutting edge and generates an emotional connection to its products. Google could all these new features and it would still not see hundreds of people line up for its phone. People standing in line means sales and hype which means later sales.

People can say Apple needs to catch up all they want but they are the market leaders. Being first to market isn't as important as being first in that market.

There's no doubt that their marketing is far far superior...thus creating a perception their product is better. They have definitely succeeding in getting the hype out there and they definitely get the lines outside of their stores.

100% agree that they are killing Android from that point of view. However, I think the only real advantage the Apple store has over Android right now is the revenue from Movies/Music. That's obviously a huge advantage as far as revenue goes, but it's also the thing that hurts the iPhone as far as the techies and the technology community go. You're just locked into iTunes for nearly everything. The App store in Android has nearly all of the good full featured apps that Apple does, so there really isn't a big gap there.

I'm not sure where the "cheaper" Android comes from because all of the high end Android phones (Incredible, Evo 4g, Droid X in two weeks) are all in the same ridiculous $200+ stratosphere.

And if you haven't noticed, Apple's marketshare is quickly shrinking.

The problem now for Apple is getting more people to switch to iPhone. Most of the people you see in line are people with past versions that are just upgrading to the newest, whereas Android is adding 60K people a day (according to reports) to their OS.

Again...the competition is the best part. I'm glad Apple is around...if it weren't on At&t they would be absolutely CRUSHING other companies. They chose the worst provider because At&t was the most desperate. That's not a knock on Apple at all...hell, Android and Motorola were virtually non-existent until they teamed up with Verizon and started putting out awesome Android phones. That was out of necessity for both companies really.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:43 pm

Quick tip for anyone that picks up an iPhone 4 - the dock that came with the original 1st gen iPhone works with the newest iPhone. I still have mine so I am a happy camper.

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:48 am

I understand that the phone being released in Canada will be unlocked in July. Is that the same being done south of the border? It would be great for my traveling long distance phone bills.

How's the battery of the iphone 4, Diablo?

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:56 am

I love Apple's response to the antenna issues..."don't hold it that way"...unbelievable.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:22 am

10spro wrote:I understand that the phone being released in Canada will be unlocked in July. Is that the same being done south of the border? It would be great for my traveling long distance phone bills.

How's the battery of the iphone 4, Diablo?

Unlocked version is over $700, I think. Yeah you'd save money when you travel overseas. Or actually be able to use mobile data without being ripped off.

Apple should quietly put coating on the antenna so that the two antennas can't be shorted human skin.

Leadfoot5 · Post by **Leadfoot5** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:59 pm

Full fledged Apple fanboy checking in...

Got the iPhone 4 yesterday (upgrade from 3GS) and it's exceeded my expectations so far. I've had none of the issues with the display that have been reported (yellow spots), and while I can reproduce the antenna issue by cupping the edges of the phone in a certain manner, it's a non-issue as far as I am concerned, as it will never effect me in actual use.

The display is incredible, facetime is cool (but blocked by our corporate firewall), the camera is much improved, and the phone is much faster all-around. I'm very happy.

DB - just wanted to say that while your passive-aggressive anti-Apple posts are really annoying and I wish you would give it a rest for maybe a day or two, all of your points and observations are valid. I agree, the competition will benefit us all.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:14 pm

Leadfoot5 wrote:DB - just wanted to say that while your passive-aggressive anti-Apple posts are really annoying and I wish you would give it a rest for maybe a day or two, all of your points and observations are valid. I agree, the competition will benefit us all.

Yup, anti-Apple fanboy here...posting from my Macbook pro. Exactly.

I am however anti-At&t...absofuckinglutely.

Edit: and go back to the middle of page 19 and the bottom of page 20 of this thread, back when I bought a 3G...I love the device. Hate the network. I'm not anti-Apple at all...not even close.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:44 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:I love Apple's response to the antenna issues..."don't hold it that way"...unbelievable.

Allow me to be aggressive-aggressive and say that it's a complete farce.

If any other company had the same problems, iPhone users would be snickering contemptuously and mocking incessently while yammering on about how Apple "knows design" and "reads the minds of its customers."

Instead we get one of the most arrogant responses in recent memory from Apple and you have a user base of millions bending over backwards to excuse the flaw.

Guess that's why they call it "mindshare."

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:51 pm

RobVarak wrote:
dbdynsty25 wrote:I love Apple's response to the antenna issues..."don't hold it that way"...unbelievable.
Allow me to be aggressive-aggressive and say that it's a complete farce.

If any other company had the same problems, iPhone users would be snickering contemptuously and mocking incessently while yammering on about how Apple "knows design" and "reads the minds of its customers."

Instead we get one of the most arrogant responses in recent memory from Apple and you have a user base of millions bending over backwards to excuse the flaw.

Guess that's why they call it "mindshare."

I am willing to bet if you shove it up Steve Jobs arrogant ass it will be perfect.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:52 pm

http://www.macworld.com/article/152314/ ... tests.html

Of course it's not a DSLR but you're not going to carry the DSLR everywhere.

iLounge said the Flip still has advantages in shooting video, such as better sound and exposure adjustments. iPhone4 has touch focusing to make it easier to stay in focus while recording.

Leadfoot5 · Post by **Leadfoot5** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 6:44 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:and go back to the middle of page 19 and the bottom of page 20 of this thread, back when I bought a 3G...I love the device. Hate the network. I'm not anti-Apple at all...not even close.

Mea Culpa

Macca00 · Post by **Macca00** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:24 am

XXXIV wrote:
I am willing to bet if you shove it up Steve Jobs arrogant ass it will be perfect.

Way to perpetuate that Greek stereotype.

Macca (driving back to the 7-11 in his cab)

Sport73 · Post by **Sport73** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:12 am

RobVarak wrote: If any other company had the same problems, iPhone users would be snickering contemptuously and mocking incessently while yammering on about how Apple "knows design" and "reads the minds of its customers."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deCkjeHY ... tube_gdata

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjoDOlyX ... tube_gdata

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:46 am

Good technical overview of the regulatory and network issues driving antenna design in phones.

http://www.antennasys.com/antennasys-bl ... ennas.html

Apparently it's not as widespread a problem as people are making it out to be. So the answer is not as flippant.

People can either not buy the phone or return it if it's that big a problem.

There will probably be a class-action lawsuit of some kind too, so they can try to get their money back if they don't return it within the 14-day return period in most states.

Leadfoot5 · Post by **Leadfoot5** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:43 pm

Installed the speedtest.net app on my new iPhone and did a simple comparison of 1) the phone on the desk and 2) holding the phone in my right hand as I would on a call, and 3) holding the phone in my left hand as I might do from time to time. (All speeds in kbps, and I normally have 5 bars of 3G coverage in my house, as was the case in these tests.)

1a) Download: 3211, Upload 949
1b) Download: 3993, Upload 948
1c) Download: 4534, Upload 950
1d) Download: 4392, Upload 949
** Continued to have 5 3G bars throughout all tests

2a) Download 3304, Upload 946
2b) Download 2852, Upload 945
2c) Download 3367, Upload 949
2d) Download 3425, Upload 950
**Continued to have 5 3G bars throughout all tests

3a) Download 3474, Upload 946
3b) Download 3709, Upload 948
3c) Download 3913, Upload 949
3d) Download 4416, Upload 949
**Continued to have 5 3G bars throughout all tests

I think I'd want to run a few hundred tests before I made any bold conclusions, especially since I don't see any of my bars drop during the "in-hand" tests, but it does look like having the phone in hand does impact data download speeds. I have no idea how this would impact a voice call... I haven't had any issues with voice or data since I've had the phone, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:27 am

Sport73 wrote:
RobVarak wrote: If any other company had the same problems, iPhone users would be snickering contemptuously and mocking incessently while yammering on about how Apple "knows design" and "reads the minds of its customers."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deCkjeHY ... tube_gdata

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjoDOlyX ... tube_gdata

So your ability to mock those other poor bastards is forfeit. At least Apple isn't known for its design excellence.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:42 am

Macca00 wrote:
XXXIV wrote:
I am willing to bet if you shove it up Steve Jobs arrogant ass it will be perfect.
Way to perpetuate that Greek stereotype.

Macca (driving back to the 7-11 in his cab)

....Nice....You found time during one of the most important weekends of your life to take a shot at one of if not the greatest ci vil I zay shon.

BTW...Dont be knocking anal pleasures.

dougb · Post by **dougb** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:17 am

new OS for the phone and touch is draining the battery at rather impressive speed. Twice I was unable to turn on my iPhone and had to recharge it because it had completely drained the battery while it was off. Only found out on one of the forums that the wifi remains on now unless you put it in airplane mode.

Well done Apple!

Best wishes,

Doug

Macca00 · Post by **Macca00** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:19 am

XXXIV wrote: ....Nice....You found time during one of the most important weekends of your life to take a shot at one of if not the greatest ci vil I zay shon.

It's only because I love you.

To keep this post on topic...I have an iPhone 3GS. It is good. I like the keyboard on my wife's Blackberry better.

dougb · Post by **dougb** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:22 am

Sorry double post

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:50 pm

Holy crap. 1.7 million sold on opening weekend. That's pretty f'n impressive. Now the only problem for At&t is that an estimated 75-80% are upgrades, not new activations. Still a crapload of activations tho...which will strain the At&t network even further. Nice call making Facetime Wifi only...that's for damn sure, even though most consider that a bad thing.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:52 pm

I wonder what is holding ATT back from upgrading their services to silence the network concerns. Maybe they aren't doing a damn thing and hope if they increase termination rates, a lot of people won't jump ship when the exclusive deal runs out. Or maybe they hope that they will always have the contract with Apple.

Maybe it would take billions of dollars do make their network more pleasing to customers. What ever the case, surely they are aware of the problems but they don't seem to be doing much to retain customers when or if the big switch starts to come later this year or next year.