Fifa 10 (PS3/360) Details, updates, etc

Zlax45 · Post by **Zlax45** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:23 pm

Any impressions from our European users?

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:55 pm

Zlax45 wrote:Any impressions from our European users?

Over at OS and gamefaqs there is.

GB_Simo · Post by **GB_Simo** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:40 pm

Regarding the chipping of goalkeepers, a few videos for you, all with Hartlepool United on World Class difficulty with my fists of ham at the controls. Try this, Adam Boyd against Charlton, for starters:

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They're an easy target from a bit closer in too, as demonstrated by my Virtual Pro, and lesson in why you should never name players after a few lagers, Krazi de la Horso:

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You can do much the same thing from a straighter position, flighting the ball lower than that to clear a keeper diving at your feet. Still not sold? How about this from the always pronounceable Armann Bjornsson, knocking in an 89th minute winner against Leeds United (an idea we can all get behind, yes?) that I messed up a little but the Russian linesman gave anyway:

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This doesn't count, really, but it's going in anyway. David Foley against Leyton Orient:

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The point of interest here, one you'd see much more clearly from one of the many other cameras I viewed this replay from, isn't that I've accidentally scored straight from a corner, but that the ball has gone straight through the goalkeeper's hands. Not straight through in an oh look, it's David James kind of way. Straight through in a hologrammatic kind of way.

The chips are a sample of the goals I scored in one session of 7 or 8 games tonight. I'd already scored a few similar goals when the thought occurred to me that if I recorded them, you could see them instead of having to try to picture them from what I said. Whenever you're clean in and the goalkeeper is advancing, he's ripe for chipping as long as you're not off balance or stretching to reach the ball - and sometimes if you are, as the Boyd video shows - and I haven't yet found a position on the pitch or a distance from goal that counts as an exception to that.

What I'm afraid I couldn't record for posterity was the moment in Manager mode when my new left-back, signed only two games before, disappeared. Literally vanished from the squad. He just isn't there. I also can't quite fathom how my goalkeeper can keep a clean sheet, make crucial late saves to win me the match and suffer a loss in form and stats for the next match, but there we are. Doubtless there's some logic to it.

I sound like I'm whining, and...well, I am, but to focus completely on that would be to ignore a few things. The chipping goalkeepers issue isn't one you'll always see, because it relies on you being one-on-one with him and because you'll inevitably mess up the shot every so often (note also that sometimes you'll hit it perfectly and it'll still drift wide or hit the post. Not often, but sometimes), and the game generally is the most fun I've had with any football game. The way the players interact with each other, what feels like a better working of the advantage rule, the realisation that if I'm sliding to block a shot and catch the man after he shoots it's not a penalty, free kicks I can make some sense of (oh, and creating your own is fun though it's too early for me to tell if it makes any difference, or how it could be exploited), the tighter control - it's a step on from last year pretty much everywhere on the pitch.

I only pay attention to the basics, though, so I haven't noticed any great changes since the demo and may well be missing something gamebreaking that MACTEP will tidy up at some stage - there are things in his deep demo analysis that I still can't spot, even now, even if I look for them, so consider yourselves fairly briefed...

Macca00 · Post by **Macca00** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:47 pm

Great post, Simo. Thanks for the vids.

toonarmy · Post by **toonarmy** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:59 pm

Nice videos. It's too bad they did not clean this up in the final version. Despite liking the feel of the PES demo more than the FIFA demo, I have FIFA 10 preordered and set to be delivered on release day. It's going to be a two football game year for me. I only wish North America got football games at the same time as the Europeans. It sucks having to read how great game "x" is for weeks before it comes out here.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:51 pm

Great post, Simo. Thanks.

That chipping is going to be exploited like mad online.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:34 am

Really sounds like they didn't clean this up as Toon said. The worrisome thing is that this game sounds like it's going to need two patches to clear some of these things up. And I don't know if we'll see two patches, tough one is on the way.

Zlax45 · Post by **Zlax45** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:49 am

Simo....Are the chipping issues Gamebreaking?

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:09 am

Two things. First off the chipping issue has me a bit concerned as well and second thing is. Adam I take back wanting to play you online.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:52 am

Lot of complaints about "ping pong" passing and how the defense is too strong, like no-name defenders catching elite strikers and forwards from behind and taking the ball away.

Naples39 · Post by **Naples39** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:05 am

wco81 wrote:Lot of complaints about "ping pong" passing and how the defense is too strong, like no-name defenders catching elite strikers and forwards from behind and taking the ball away.

*sigh*

Looks like their copying of the PES formula is complete.

fsquid · Post by **fsquid** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:10 pm

geez, that makes the game less fun.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:27 pm

wco81 wrote:Lot of complaints about "ping pong" passing and how the defense is too strong, like no-name defenders catching elite strikers and forwards from behind and taking the ball away.

Ping pong sounds subjective to me anymore. There's ping-pong football in the real game. I guess I don't really understand ping-pong football anymore. Because from the videos it doesn't seem like that only way to get the ball downfield is to pingpong it down.

GB_Simo · Post by **GB_Simo** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:38 pm

Zlax45 wrote:Simo....Are the chipping issues Gamebreaking?

Not to me, no, but there's no doubt that chipping is by far the most consistently successful shooting method. Online you might be able to limit it, though I've not played on Live yet, because double-tapping the goalie rush button sends him back onto his line so you might be able to limit the damage to yourself that way. Offline, you can't tell the AI goalkeeper to stop coming out so aggressively, so the opportunity to chip presents itself every single time you get into a one-on-one. I can well understand how it could break the game for some, I'll put it that way.

Regarding ping-pong passing, it's very easy to play one-touch football as long as you've got someone available to pass to, but there'll come a point in each move where you've got no choice but to hang on to the ball and do something a little more considered. I don't see anything in the game that I consider unrealistic as far as that's concerned, and the same goes for the defense being too strong - again, I'm on World Class and don't feel that's the case at all.

Edited to add that I'm not using fully manual passing, which I imagine would make a difference to the whole ping-ping thing.

GB_Simo · Post by **GB_Simo** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:26 pm

Pro tip: do not give away free kicks around the edge of the penalty area. This, of course, is sound advice any time, but especially on FIFA 10 because, one way or another, the CPU team will score.

Last night in Manager mode MK Dons put 4 past me, and 3 of those were free kicks from roughly the same area about 20 yards out, all knocked into the corner of the net just well enough that my keeper could only brush them as they passed. The next game, another free kick from the same distance, another goal.

Today, playing co-op at a friend's house (I know, how very retro...), I left the room upon conceding a free kick just less than 25 yards out, to the consternation of the other player. A few seconds later, as the free kick flashed past the wall and into the net, he understood. If you concede the free kick right on the very edge of the penalty area, then it'll probably hit the post or bar, depending on how central it was, and then a striker will beat you to the rebound and score anyway.

Somehow, neither that nor the chipping thing are ruining my enjoyment of what is otherwise a damned fine football game.

Zlax45 · Post by **Zlax45** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:05 pm

I might have to do the TRU deal....and get this!

Zlax45 · Post by **Zlax45** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:52 am

US Fifa Review

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/103/1035141p1.html

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:56 am

For those who have the game are they using Martin Tyler for commentary?

Blublub · Post by **Blublub** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:05 pm

Zlax45 wrote:US Fifa Review

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/103/1035141p1.html

Wow, I always take everything IGN says with a HUGE grain of salt, particularly with their overhyping of all things EA and 360, but this "review" is as pathetic as I've ever seen them put out (although the one for Afrika a few days back is pretty close).

I have no doubt that this is a fine game (09 certainly was) but I'm really concerned with some of the issues raised after the Euro release, including on the official EA forums (ping-pong online gameplay, no difference in playing styles for offline matches unless custom styles are set for each side and a boatload of manager mode issues). I'd strongly suggest those on the fence check out real user experiences rather than this PR drivel...

Zlax45 · Post by **Zlax45** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:44 pm

Cheese in this video

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/1433 ... 01409.html

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:59 pm

I wouldn't classify that as cheese Zlax. That's more like a EA bug that allows a human player (MP) to be present in front of the goalie. EA fixed that in single player by forcibly taking control your player and moving all your players away from the keeper.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:05 pm

Rodster wrote:I wouldn't classify that as cheese Zlax. That's more like a EA bug that allows a human player (MP) to be present in front of the goalie. EA fixed that in single player by forcibly taking control your player and moving all your players away from the keeper.

Well it would be like the s curve shot in hockey. I thought that was single player but again I could be wrong.

Nothing like IGN showing off how to cheeze!

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:05 pm

Double Post.

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:11 pm

JRod wrote:
Rodster wrote:I wouldn't classify that as cheese Zlax. That's more like a EA bug that allows a human player (MP) to be present in front of the goalie. EA fixed that in single player by forcibly taking control your player and moving all your players away from the keeper.
Well it would be like the s curve shot in hockey. I thought that was single player but again I could be wrong.

Nothing like IGN showing off how to cheeze!

You could be right but it looked like a MP game being played to me. I know for at least several years now EA took control of your player in the box. Would be strange if they changed that.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:09 pm

What speed are you guys using? Normal feels fast, but maybe in a good way...