Madden 08 Hands On

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:40 pm

I think we've learned from playing these games that you can't trust any of these game developers when they put out their game enhancements. Madden and 2k8 aren't even out yet and we have people arguing about supposed gameplay enhancements to these games provided by who? Yes, the game developers. I'd rather trust a used car salesman.

We should go back to this thread when the games are actually out. Then we'll see if these enhancements are real or just your regular yearly BS PR.

Waddupcouzin · Post by **Waddupcouzin** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:44 pm

Inuyasha wrote:I think we've learned from playing these games that you can't trust any of these game developers when they put out their game enhancements. Madden and 2k8 aren't even out yet and we have people arguing about supposed gameplay enhancements to these games provided by who? Yes, the game developers. I'd rather trust a used car salesman.

We should go back to this thread when the games are actually out. Then we'll see if these enhancements are real or just your regular yearly BS PR.

So so true.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:53 pm

Inuyasha wrote:Goes back to what I was saying about NCAA. So in 2010, when they finally 'add' create a school in ncaa, I should get excited for this 'new' feature on the next-gen version?

That a big difference then adding something like gang tackling, new catches and new OL / DL play. Those thing weren't there before, so they are not being added back in.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:04 pm

Waddupcouzin wrote:I'm sorry did I say EA sucks, and now you're coming across very condescending. I've purchased the game the last two years (and years prior), so it's not like I am bashing a game that I know nothing about. If they implement gang-tackling this year, fine. When I read previews about them (EA) saying, "Hey we're concentrating on gameplay this year???" Yeah....you think??? You mean no more "Liquid A.I"...At least the dude from 2K Baseball (Name Escapes me) had the stones to say we're just going to concentrate on gameplay, no more bells and whistles.

Are you talking about Ben Brinkman, who i also think is a good guy. The same Ben Brinkman who told us how they concentrated on gameplay (did they have another choice after 06?) and then after the game was out a month had a press junket where he said our fielding isn't up to par among other things.

Yeah he was really upfront.

As for the EA sucks part, I'm basing it on what you've written.

It seems like that's all Madden sticks us with is Roster Updates. When David Ortiz said that the last best Madden Game was '04, I thought to myself, WTF?!?!? I'm a 2K fan, but these Muggs from EA need to be shot!

Are we to believe there is any chance this game could impress you? Maybe I am alone in thinking that you've already made your mind up on madden beofre playing it. Somehow I doubt it thought.

So again I ask why partake in a madden discussion if your sole purpose is to complain that the added features took too long to get here.[/quote]

Waddupcouzin · Post by **Waddupcouzin** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:56 pm

Are we to believe there is any chance this game could impress you? Maybe I am alone in thinking that you've already made your mind up on madden beofre playing it. Somehow I doubt it thought.

So again I ask why partake in a madden discussion if your sole purpose is to complain that the added features took too long to get here.

I guess I would liken it to voting...What's the adage, if you don't vote, you can't complain, right? Well, I've paid my money for the game, so I am voicing my opinion. Good, Bad, or Indifferent. I can give that correct??? Unless "Madden Discussion" equals what you think is proper? At this stage of the game, I don't think it's about, "impressing" me, put out a game that plays well without the hoopla of "Liquid A.I.".

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:22 pm

Ok, I did a google search on madden 04, and realized it was the mike vick one. All I remember from that game was everyone online cheesed with vick by using the qb scramble play every down.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:23 pm

I'm still laughing about Brando mentioning 4th and Inches.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:50 pm

It is very clear that there will need to be a "no APF talk" and "no Madden talk" impressions threads this year for each game, along with a comparison thread.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:37 pm

Dave wrote:It is very clear that there will need to be a "no APF talk" and "no Madden talk" impressions threads this year for each game, along with a comparison thread.

I was simply pointing out that saying that game play improvements shouldn't be listed as improvements or make you happy because someone felt they needed to be there 2 or 3 years ago was just a pointless statement.

It's sole purpose was to create this type of thread, as it provided no insight into madden 08 discussion.

How it digressed from there is typical.

GameSeven · Post by **GameSeven** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:48 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMpnahHNnjA

New blog entry linked to this video highlighting receivers attempting to keep their feet inbounds as well as a nice animation on a one handed grab in the end zone.

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:04 pm

The worst part about it for me is, I complained for years about Mario Running, Suction Blocking, no gang tackling, etc., to the point of getting on people's nerves about it. Every year, I was told to stop complaining, to just accept Madden for what it is and to go play 2k if I didn't like it. Now that EA/Tiburon has finally made those changes, the same people this year will be saying how great those "improvements" are. Too bad I can't tell all of those people to f*** off. They, along with the folks at Tiburon, are the ones responsible for setting back proper football game advancement over the last 4-5 years, IMO.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:23 pm

GTHobbes wrote:The worst part about it for me is, I complained for years about Mario Running, Suction Blocking, no gang tackling, etc., to the point of getting on people's nerves about it. Every year, I was told to stop complaining, to just accept Madden for what it is and to go play 2k if I didn't like it. Now that EA/Tiburon has finally made those changes, the same people this year will be saying how great those "improvements" are. Too bad I can't tell all of those people to f*** off. They, along with the folks at Tiburon, are the ones responsible for setting back proper football game advancement over the last 4-5 years, IMO.

This is true, the madden boys are just as bad. Hopefully the game will play as good as the short snippets look. There is no guarantee however.

Post by **Jared** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:45 pm

Danimal wrote: I really hope you're a man of your word. Then we can go back to talking about madden and not dealing with rhinoculous statements.

Not to go off-topic too much...

...but what on earth is a "rhinoculous statement"?

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:22 pm

Danimal wrote:This is true, the madden boys are just as bad. Hopefully the game will play as good as the short snippets look. There is no guarantee however.

As long as they dont screw with last years play and only repair its short comings Madden will once again be an excellent game.

Did I just say that?

...

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:01 am

Madden 2007 needs a lot of improvements. The current generation versions are better than the last-generation versions (PS2/Xbox) but there's a lot of room for improvement.

I'm skeptical that Weapons system is the way to improve gameplay or make it more realistic. It sounds like the feature they introduced in NCAA a few years ago for star players, where they exaggerated the attributes and play-results of certain players.

Sure the NFL does key on certain players but do we really need a special icon on top of Brady or Peyton to know they can do some special things?

What makes them special is their accuracy. Sure they've been well-coached to read defenses -- in fact, these days, the coaches can speak in their earpiece while they're in the huddle, pointing out specific keys.

But in Madden 2008, they will be able to see the exact coaches camera view of the defenses? That's not reading the defense so much as stealing the other team's playbook and then intercepting the playcalls communicated between the coordinators and the head coach. Good player will be able to read the defense at the LOS by using motion and looking at the defensive alignment as well as movements right after the snap -- LBs taking drops or blitzing, CBs jamming or dropping back, etc.

So Weapons will be some gimmick like the cone or the lead blocking thing last year. It will have some visual marker so you know you're getting some special feature this year.

If the effect is minimal like Lead Blocking, that's the best I would hope for, instead of making the gameplay unrealistic with Weapons players performing superhuman feats.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:07 am

wco81 wrote: I'm skeptical that Weapons system is the way to improve gameplay or make it more realistic.

I just saw a story about Pac man Jones on ESPN News. I think a weapons system would make the game more realistic.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:09 am

Jared wrote: Not to go off-topic too much...

...but what on earth is a "rhinoculous statement"?

Oh its a Mike & Mike in the morning thing. They are trying to get this new word started. I figured someone on here would pick up on it. lol

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:14 am

MizzouRah wrote:I'm still laughing about Brando mentioning 4th and Inches.

Maybe APF 2k9 will come with a Team Construction Disc

Sorry for helping the thread get off track.

Anyway, I do think, from what I've seen, Madden 08 looks better than last year's game. I hope the playmakers thing is not overdone, but it's helpful to be able to quickly see who the stars of a team are without having to stop and look at ratings. I have a better feeling about this year's game than I did last year's.

One annoyance: it looks like the score ticker still has the bright white outline. EA once again forgets that some people game on plasmas.

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:32 am

Gametrailers has the first gameplay footage of Madden 7.5:

http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=4680

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:21 am

I liked the seemless after the play stuff instead of cut scenes. Did the run the ball once in that trailer?

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:24 am

Danimal wrote:
Jared wrote: Not to go off-topic too much...

...but what on earth is a "rhinoculous statement"?
Oh its a Mike & Mike in the morning thing. They are trying to get this new word started. I figured someone on here would pick up on it. lol

It's ridonculous Danimal, not rhinoculous. I had no idea what you were talking about either. Had you typed ridonculous I would have known.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:26 am

GTHobbes wrote:Gametrailers has the first gameplay footage of Madden 7.5:

http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=4680

Graphics whore or not, the game looks great.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:41 am

Yep, the game does indeed look pretty nice. But, come the F on EA, the radio announcer has to go! Or at the very least add a color commentator. It's just so disappointing that the presentation is sooooo stale. Why in the world have they not taken full advantage of the ESPN license??????? It's complete b.s.!

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:41 am

MizzouRah wrote:
GTHobbes wrote:Gametrailers has the first gameplay footage of Madden 7.5:

http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=4680

Graphics whore or not, the game looks great.

Yes it does and I think if you go look at the video interview video you will see that this is an earlier build of the game and that one looks even better.

Now we just need a APF 2.3 trailer and we're all set.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:43 am

ScoopBrady wrote:
Danimal wrote:It's ridonculous Danimal, not rhinoculous. I had no idea what you were talking about either. Had you typed ridonculous I would have known.

Oh, my bad.

I like mine better though