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pk500 wrote:I'm not a physics major, but wouldn't a scuffed ball move around more, almost like a ball scuffed by sandpaper and thrown by a pitcher? Wouldn't a kicker want more of a true flight in the ball?

Again, physics isn't my mojo.

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If I recall correctly, kickers were doing all kinds of wacky stuff with the balls, like baking them and such. I think the hometeam used to provide the balls and the home kickers and punters were taking advantage of that.

The ball did look a little shiny, probably because it was new. But the center didn't have any trouble snapping it, so Romo shouldn't have had trouble setting it down.

Peter King's just mad because his man-crush is out of the playoffs.
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Inuyasha wrote:The K balls were introduced if I recall correctly because the NFL wanted the kickers to stop scuffing balls so they could kick them better.

I think the K balls have been used the last 3 years so I dont think it's anything new. Romo just dropped it.
It's been longer than 3 years, and it's been a mess since they first introduced the rule.

Only this season have they reverted to allowing the teams to provide the balls for regular play; thos were all controlled by the refs as well ever since they changed the rule. It used to be the home team provided the balls, but in the attempt to eliminate touchbacks on kick offs and reduce the number of long field goals made, the NFL added the K-ball thing and made the refs responsible for providing all the balls. The problems with the new balls mostly stem from the fact that, while they are required to do so by rule and as suggested by the manufacturer of the balls (Wilson), it was rarely if ever that the refs sufficiently rubbed the protective coating designed for storage and shipping off the balls with the special, rough brush provided by Wilson and a wet towel. There have been complaints that the refs don't even bother to rub them down at all.

In the old days, the equipment managers and the kickers essentially prepped the game balls, breaking them in, trying to make them fatter and thus have a larger sweet-spot for kicking. Each team's ball was different. They say Celeveland had really fat, round balls, for example, and that some QBs would complain about them being too fat. Supposedly Kosar really liked their fat ball.

All QBs complained about the ref-prepped balls from the very beginning once they changed the rules, saying they were too slick and poorly broken in, if broken in at all. This season they have finally allowed each team to prep and provide its own balls for all games, so the away team brings balls that they use on offense. But the K-balls are still controlled and prepped by the refs, and are most likely still poorly prepped, if at all.

The Romo ball looked to me like it was taken right out of the box, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was. Even so, it's tough to blame the ball, when other kicks went fine in that same ball game. Still, I've felt from the beginning that the NFL is very wrong-headed about this whole thing. They should go back to the old way. It might help the passing game. To me, It's a lot like the way they've changed the clock rules. It hasn't made the games any shorter, it's just allowed them to stuff more commercial breaks into each game. Wrong headed, if you ask me.
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McNabb has to be the starter. Too much cap money tied into his contract.

Probably the same with Vick and Eli.
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wco81 wrote: Probably the same with Vick and Eli.
They are like star-crossed lovers that both spurned San Diego.... look who is laughing now.
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Twenty years ago today...

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/d ... _drive.jsp

I hope this is the year Marty finally gets it done. He's gotta stay away from that damn prevent defense though. :cry:
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If the long snapper managed to snap the ball 7 yards without incident, it's hard for me to accept that it was too slippery for Romo to transfer 6 inches without incident :)
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RobVarak wrote:If the long snapper managed to snap the ball 7 yards without incident, it's hard for me to accept that it was too slippery for Romo to transfer 6 inches without incident :)
Maybe that's why Jessica Simpson broke up with him...
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Bravo.

How do typos always manage to work out that way?
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Brando70 wrote:
RobVarak wrote:If the long snapper managed to snap the ball 7 yards without incident, it's hard for me to accept that it was too slippery for Romo to transfer 6 inches without incident :)
Maybe that's why Jessica Simpson broke up with him...
Right. And despite a desperate scrambling after the fact, he still couldn't get it in the end zone.
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RobVarak wrote:Bravo.

How do typos always manage to work out that way?
Give yourself credit for the assist. While Brando finished nicely, he did have 'slippery 6 inch incident' to work with.
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lexbur wrote:Twenty years ago today...

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/d ... _drive.jsp

I hope this is the year Marty finally gets it done. He's gotta stay away from that damn prevent defense though. :cry:
Ill be rooting for the Chargers but Im starting to get a bad feeling...
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I'm also rooting for Marty (and Tony too in the other AFC game).
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I've been pumped all week waiting for the Bears game. They haven't won a playoff game in 13+ years and I'm hoping they do it this weekend. I have my playoff tickets and fully expect to be going to the NFC Championship game. Anything less will be a disappointment.
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ScoopBrady wrote:I have my playoff tickets and fully expect to be going to the NFC Championship game. Anything less will be a disappointment.
I dont expect the Bears to win the Super Bowl but anything less than winning the NFC championship game will be a dissapointment...
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This weekends picks...

Bal 24
Ind 20

Phi 27
NO 23

Chi 34
Sea 16

SD 20
NE 17
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XXXIV wrote:
ScoopBrady wrote:I have my playoff tickets and fully expect to be going to the NFC Championship game. Anything less will be a disappointment.
I dont expect the Bears to win the Super Bowl but anything less than winning the NFC championship game will be a dissapointment...
I think virtually any of the NFC teams will be a SB underdog, but seeing as how underdogs were like 50 games over .500 this year it'd be hard to count anyone out. Just one game etc...
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ScoopBrady wrote:I've been pumped all week waiting for the Bears game. They haven't won a playoff game in 13+ years and I'm hoping they do it this weekend. I have my playoff tickets and fully expect to be going to the NFC Championship game. Anything less will be a disappointment.
Enjoy the game Scoop. Even though the Hawks made it here by a fraction of a hair, I still have in mind the game where we got our bad a$$ kicked during the regular season. That game marked the beginning of a rash of injuries to the team, starting with S. Alexander. But this is the playoffs, and if there's one game where the team needs to prove themselves is in CHI. It should be a close game.
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ScoopBrady wrote:I've been pumped all week waiting for the Bears game. They haven't won a playoff game in 13+ years and I'm hoping they do it this weekend. I have my playoff tickets and fully expect to be going to the NFC Championship game. Anything less will be a disappointment.
I'll be absolutely stunned if the Bears do not come out flat as a pancake for the first half of this game, particularly on Offense. I don't think Seattle is all that good, but they will be playing better after struggling through the first part of last week's game. The O seemed to find themselves in the second half. The Bears will have to rely on the special teams above all to bail them out again, the way they have all season. Yes, the defense is very good and can create field position and prehaps points for them, but IMO it is the special teams that will be the difference, by scoring points, eliminating points with blocks on FGs or PATs, changing field position, etc. Maybe in the second half, the offense will get moving, but I will be amazed if that O comes out crisp and sharp at the start of this game. It could be like the Cardinal game all over again, and I don't think it's a stretch to imagine Seattle falling to pieces in the final part of the game. But look out; Grossman could lose this thing if he's not careful.

NE-SD is a tough one for me to pick. Can NE stop that SD juggernaut? Will Rivers crack under the pressure, or pull a Brady and play like he's been there before? He certainly has a lot of security blankets around him to take the pressure off. If the Pats are playing as well as they can, these could be pretty evenly matched teams. They seem to be peaking at the right time, as usual. I wouldn't be surprised to see LT held to few yards until the 4th quarter, when he can go for 85+ and take over the game. If Rivers doesn't lose it by giving up field position or leaving points on the field with turnovers in the red area, I don't know if NE can win.

The Eagles vs. the Saints should be a great football game. The Eagles are actually running the football this year, with McNabb out. Garcia is playing very well, making those receivers look competent or better. They do have a good TE. Their D is capable of being good, but need to play well to shut down the NO O. But that O does have a lot of weapons, and Brees may be as good a QB as there is in the playoffs. With the two-headed running back, they can be tough to stop. The home field advantage in the SuperDome is very real, and I don't know if any other venue will match the energy of that place this weekend. But Garcia won't be phased by that, not one whit. The others on the team? Maybe. The NO D should be helped by it a lot. I think this one will come down to the 4th quarter and be a good, hard-hitting battle throughout.

The Indy-Balto game could be a blowout. I haven't seen the Ravens all year, I don't think, but I'm a huge fan of McNair, always have been. I assume they have a solid, tough running game, and I know that that Indy D is historically bad against the run. I look for just a couple of big plays for the Ravens in the passing game (think that playoff game when they went all the way, when they had that one big play to S. Stewart in the whole game), and for Indy to be frustrated on O. I don't think they can protect Manning against that D, and while Indy may score a couple times, and put some pressure on the Ravens O to move the ball, this one should be all Balto from start to finish, with some big ground numbers for J. Lewis when all is said and done. They've only lost one game at home all year, and it will take a more complete team than Indy to change that.
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Zeppo,

Your Bears breakdown is spot-on with one small exception. This defense really isn't capable of dominating field position and taking the ball away the way they were in the first half of the season.

The Tommy Harris and Mike Brown injuries have gutted the unit. Sure they have some playmakers, and they still have Urlacher, but the front four have been completely neutralized since Harris went down and took his double-teams with him.

The Seahawk OL has been inconsistent, so it's possible that Ogunleye and Alex Brown can step up. But without some serious improvement from their down linemen, the Bears Cover-2 and its variants are going to be exposed like they were down the stretch.

The only other alternative, call it the Belichick Gambit, would be to completely change approaches. Let Ron Rivera's preferred style predominate and come out with a Jimmy Johnson-style blitzing gameplan. This would have the advantage of surprise, pressure the QB and cover the weakness up front. Of course it would also put pressure on the shaky DB's and is fundamentally contrary to Lovie's philosophy. I also have never seen the intellectual or tactical flexibility this would require from the Bears coaching staff. Actually, very few coaches would try such a radical makeover from what they did all season...hence the name :)

Again, I fully expect the Bears to win despite this and I will be gutted if they lose. But I think that they need to hit the ground aggressively on offense, as they can't rely on only giving up 16 ppg with this defense.
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Bears will be alright if they don't have to depend on Grossman to make plays. Not saying he can't make plays in this game, especially if Seattle's starting DBs don't play.

But if they can run on Seattle, which they should be able to, they can bide their time. Because so far, Hasslebeck and company aren't humming on offense.
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The Bears offensive playcalling will be key. They have to hammer at Seattle with Jones and Benson and use some PA passes to keep Seattle honest or catch them in one-one-coverage down the field. I think they'll win -- Seattle just isn't that good this year and really got two huge gifts in last week's win.

I'm not as sure about the Eagles beating the Saints after the Eagles looked lackluster against New York, but then again, they marched right down the field to get the win. I think Philly's crappy run defense plays better than New Orleans crappy run D and the Eagles squeak out the upset.

I still see upset city in the AFC. It's hard for me to pick against Brady (best QB in football) and the second-best scoring D in the NFL, even with Tomlinson on the other side. New England wins this one.

I'm also sticking with Colts over the Ravens. That is probably a foolish pick, but I have to believe if the Colts D can stop Larry Johnson, they can stop Jamal Lewis. Plus the Colts had the #2 rated pass defense in the league, which makes me think they handle McNair. If Indy can keep their turnovers low, they can win.
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wco81 wrote:Bears will be alright if they don't have to depend on Grossman to make plays. Not saying he can't make plays in this game, especially if Seattle's starting DBs don't play.

But if they can run on Seattle, which they should be able to, they can bide their time. Because so far, Hasslebeck and company aren't humming on offense.
True. But they better come out firing on all cylinders in the run game, to ease the pressure on Grossman to make plays. Muhammad is just the type to take advantage of the beat up Seattle secondary, but Grossman has to deliver the ball on time. And Rob is right, Seattle may be looking at just what the doctor ordered when it comes to making big plays in the passing game.

I think it could be a very competitive game, but I still think the Bears will struggle on O early in the game, and it will take the special teams (where they've had a big advantage in every game they've played this year as far as I can tell) to pull them through the layoff-doldrums from the combination of their weak schedule down the stretch and the bye.
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Brando70 wrote: Plus the Colts had the #2 rated pass defense in the league, which makes me think they handle McNair.
Very misleading stat. That's only because they have the #32 run defense in the league (and by nearly 30yds per game more than the #31 Rams). Why throw if you can just run the ball?
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The key to beating Baltimore's defense is short passing similar to what Carson Palmer did to them in their last meeting. I think Manning can do it, but I think Baltimore will score just enough points, possible with a special teams or defensive big play, to win.

It's almost impossible to pick against Brady, but I think SD will find a way. That's probably my heart talking because there is no way in hell I want a NE/BAL AFC Championship.

I haven't watched a lot of NFC football this year, but the few times I saw NO they weren't impressive on defense. I'll pick Philly. I'll also pick the Bears in the game that is most likely to be a blowout.
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NE is going win, and win big.

Please don't quote me, so if it does not happen, I can erase this post.
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