NFL 2015-16 season

[XXXIV]

Vikings fans along Bengals ought to do some heavy drinking XXXIV style.

Really?

[Rodster]

That Vikings shanked FG reminds me of when Jeremy Shocky thought the NY Giants were going to advance in the playoffs and his reaction was priceless when the Giants kicker shanked a sure 3 points and a win.

[dougb]

And in a moment of predictable but nonetheless head shaking nepotism, Rex hires his brother Rob to be assistant head coach with special responsibilities for the Bills defense. Because nothing says defensive coaching upgrade like grabbing the former Defensive Coordinator of the New Orleans Saints

Doug

[pk500]

And in a moment of predictable but nonetheless head shaking nepotism, Rex hires his brother Rob to be assistant head coach with special responsibilities for the Bills defense. Because nothing says defensive coaching upgrade like grabbing the former Defensive Coordinator of the New Orleans Saints

Doug

Rex just ensured he will be fired after next season.

[MizzouRah]

Looks like it's close to being a done deal. Goodbye to my 2nd NFL team.

F the NFL.. time to invest more time in baseball, hockey, college football.

I'll still root for the Chiefs and Panthers, but next season my NFL watching is going considerably down.

[Aristo]

Totally sucks. St. Louis didn't lose the team. Kroenke and Goodell conspired to take it. f***ers.

[XXXIV]

Pretty disgraceful.

Kroenke not answering questions directly to the people of St Louis is cowardly and disgusting.

Goodell looking like the pig he is.

I sadly will always be a Rams fan as I have been one since 1974.... I say sadly as I feel very bad for the Rams fans in St. Louis ...I liked them driving distance.

Crappy day for sure.

[wco81]

Were they selling out the stadium?

Because Kroenke claimed St. Louis is a 2-team town.

KC lost the NBA Kings and of course St. Louis lost the Cards.

No talk of any NBA team coming back to the state either.

Maybe the state is more into college sports?

[MizzouRah]

Totally sucks. St. Louis didn't lose the team. Kroenke and Goodell conspired to take it. f***ers.

Yes it does suck.. f*** both of them and the NFL.

It's time for an MLS team in St. Louis.

[MizzouRah]

Pretty disgraceful.

Kroenke not answering questions directly to the people of St Louis is cowardly and disgusting.

Goodell looking like the pig he is.

I sadly will always be a Rams fan as I have been one since 1974.... I say sadly as I feel very bad for the Rams fans in St. Louis ...I liked them driving distance.

Crappy day for sure.

You're a much better fan than I am. I won't watch them at all in LA. I tried with the Cardinals and it just doesn't work for me.

[XXXIV]

Pretty disgraceful.

Kroenke not answering questions directly to the people of St Louis is cowardly and disgusting.

Goodell looking like the pig he is.

I sadly will always be a Rams fan as I have been one since 1974.... I say sadly as I feel very bad for the Rams fans in St. Louis ...I liked them driving distance.

Crappy day for sure.

You're a much better fan than I am. I won't watch them at all in LA. I tried with the Cardinals and it just doesn't work for me.

Not better!

Different.

I was a fan of them from the mid 70s when they were in LA and I was 8.... So I dont care where they live.

I FEEL SO BAD FOR YOU!!!!

[Aristo]

I was a football Cardinals fan until they moved in 85. My family moved to KC in 82, so I just cut ties. The team was terrible, Bidwell was an awful owner, so I latched on to the Chiefs. I moved back to St. Louis in 98, and the Rams were already here.

I rooted for the Rams until they pushed Vermeil out after the Super Bowl. I hated Martz, and really wasn't a fan of Georgia as an owner, either. While I'm still a Chiefs fan, I really did start rooting for the Rams once Kroenke bought the team and they hired Fisher.

While I'm disgusted with Goodell and the NFL, I have to admit I can't give up on the Chiefs. I'd love to tell the NFL to go f*** itself, but I can't.

[MizzouRah]

Not better!

Different.

I was a fan of them from the mid 70s when they were in LA and I was 8.... So I dont care where they live.

I FEEL SO BAD FOR YOU!!!!

Don't feel bad.. I'll find other ways to spend my time. I'm with Aristo though.. if I do watch the NFL it will be the Chiefs mostly.

[pk500]

Not better!

Different.

I was a fan of them from the mid 70s when they were in LA and I was 8.... So I dont care where they live.

I FEEL SO BAD FOR YOU!!!!

Don't feel bad.. I'll find other ways to spend my time. I'm with Aristo though.. if I do watch the NFL it will be the Chiefs mostly.

Feel for you cats. I pondered this dilemma when there were strong rumors about the Bills moving to Toronto in owner Ralph Wilson's ailing final years. Do I follow the Bills because they're the Bills or because they're in Buffalo?

Toronto still is closer to Syracuse than New York, so my allegiance probably would have been packed in the moving van for Canada. But if the Bills ever moved a time zone or more away, I'd probably be in the market for a new NFL team.

[TCrouch]

I'm still in limbo. The Raiders staying in Oakland...at least for a year...makes me happy on the surface. I can't root for a non-California team--something weird in my DNA, I guess.

So if they end up doing the San Antonio thing in a couple of years like the rumors are flying around about, I have no idea what I'll do. I've been in love with the Raiders my whole life, and I can't pull for non-Cali teams. I think everybody loses in this situation.

Except the billionaire owners, of course.

[sportdan30]

Losing the Rams sucks, no doubt about it. It definitely hurts, but would be much worse if my son or daughter were fans of the Rams. Thankfully, they are not, and they don't seem at all upset about them leaving. Kids, they got too many other distractions now-a-days.

In any case, I'm pissed off at Kroenke, Grubman, Goodell, and Jones. I didn't want to believe it, but obviously the fix was in all this time. And I believe it started way back in 2010, when Kroenke outbid Shad Khan at the 11th hour.

So, now I'm left with deciding whether I continue to follow the NFL (I've followed Chiefs from afar) or not following the league at all. Either way, I won't give a dime to this dirty, disgusting, greedy league.

By the way, hats off to the Blues fans last night for chanting "Kroenke sucks".

[Danimal]

"Everybody won," Dolphins owner Stephen Ross said of the deal struck Tuesday.

Asked if the St. Louis fans won tonight, Steve Ross said: "Well, somebody has to lose."

NFL, the modern day equivalent to plantation owners lighting their cigars with $1000 bills.

[Brando70]

NFL owners will never fail to put it up the pooper of the fanbase, then complain that the fanbase was asking for it because they wouldn't let the owners f*** them properly.

[dbdynsty25]

"Everybody won," Dolphins owner Stephen Ross said of the deal struck Tuesday.

Asked if the St. Louis fans won tonight, Steve Ross said: "Well, somebody has to lose."

NFL, the modern day equivalent to plantation owners lighting their cigars with $1000 bills.

It's been proven time and time again that Ross is an idiot, so yeah, no surprise there.

As for teams moving, I really could care less if my home team left. As proven by my allegiances, I've lived all over the country and have picked up teams at various stops, so I'm not a "city" fan, I'm a team fan. The Sunday Ticket generation makes it almost moot, especially with the ridiculous cost of going to the game. Even if I lived near my favorite team I likely wouldn't go to more than one or two games a year. I do that now, given the Dolphins usually are on the west coast for one or two games anyway (three next year, LA Rams being one!). So whatever to all this moving BS.

Most cities have transplants, especially LA, so I guess that's just my mindset given that there really aren't any NFL allegiances here (even back in the 80s when the Raiders and Rams were here).

[wco81]

You can hate the owners and still like the team -- I could never get fans who idolized the owners, to the point of seeking their autographs, taking selfies with them, etc.

Rams better sell a lot of PSLs and/or starting winning a lot. LA fans, like everywhere else, are fickle so they'll come out for the first couple of years regardless of how they do on the field.

After that?

As for St. Louis, they sold out the stadium for like 10 years, to 2007. Then they stopped selling out.

But Kronke is a weird case. He's a Missouri native who promised fans the Rams would never leave St. Louis.

Then he stopped talking to the press and stayed out of the public the last 3 years. He has a ton of money, most of which he'll be leaving for his heirs.

But he wants to roll the dice and try to make a ton more?

At 68, it won't be too long before he'll be stepping back from heavy activity. The stadium won't open for 3 more years so maybe shortly after they cut the ribbons, he'll be handing the team over to someone.

[Diablo25]

For what its worth...on Mike and Mike this morning they were talking about how a good deal of the "blame" could/should be placed on the city of St Louis. Supposedly the lease the Rams had was a good one as long as the stadium was kept up to par and the city failed to do that. I know the owner and Goodell are looked on as villains here but the city 'supposedly' sealed its own fate. I haven't followed the situation that closely so I don't know.

[Aristo]

The team doubled in value overnight. He's going to sell the team once the stadium gets built. It's a perfect investment. Someone else will get hung with a fabulous stadium that won't sell out and a team no one in LA cares about.

[Aristo]

For what its worth...on Mike and Mike this morning they were talking about how a good deal of the "blame" could/should be placed on the city of St Louis. Supposedly the lease the Rams had was a good one as long as the stadium was kept up to par and the city failed to do that. I know the owner and Goodell are looked on as villains here but the city 'supposedly' sealed its own fate. I haven't followed the situation that closely so I don't know.

They are not totally wrong, but it isn't the full story. St. Lous screwed up when they built the dome. It was an awful place to watch football from the start. The lease had an out if the stadium did not meet the criteria of being a top tier stadium. There was zero chance of the stadium ever being that. The problem is, Kroenke used that to create the move to LA. He never put in a good faith effort to help build a new stadium or agree to reasonable improvements.

The notion that an NFL team can't make bucketloads of cash in a sports town like St. Louis was BS. What it couldn't do was make Stan as much profit as a move to LA has done. But the entire relocation guidelines that the NFL has in place is supposed to prevent teams from moving just to get better deals. There is no good reason for St. L:outs to have lost the team.

Shad Khan bought the team, and would have been a perfect owner, as witnessed by the efforts he put in place in Jacksonville. Stan swooped in and took the team after Khan had negotiated a price because he had a right of first refusal. At that point he had a price and a plan to massively increase its value by moving the team. He was 100% aware that by ignoring the city that he would have an easy out that no one could deny him. I'm positive the plan was executed with Goodall's approval. The league should have been offended by what Stan did, but instead it rewarded him.

[pk500]

Most cities have transplants, especially LA, so I guess that's just my mindset given that there really aren't any NFL allegiances here (even back in the 80s when the Raiders and Rams were here).

Bingo. You live in the Kingdom of Transplants. Probably only North Carolina (tons of refugees from the Northeast) and Florida even come close to rivaling the number of transplants in California.

East Coast sports are different. You grow up as a fan of your local team. You live for it. You die for it. For generations. There is no alternative. Take my 15-year-old son, for example: He swears undying allegiance to the Bills even though he's never seen them in a playoff game. My 10-year-old son worships the Knicks even though their last NBA title came when I was 8.

This scenario is even more pronounced in New England. An entire region of the country supports four teams -- Pats, Red Sox, Celtics and Bruins. That's probably why Boston sports fans seem so obnoxious besides their obvious status as Massholes: The entire region of New England is behind those teams. Those teams are inescapable in Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and most of Connecticut. Southwestern Connecticut has some New York sports fans due to the proximity of NYC and because many people who live there commute into Manhattan.

I have no clue what team would get my allegiance if the Bills disappeared. I'm an upstate New Yorker; it's in our DNA to root for the Bills. Hockey fans around here still think I'm a Commie because I support the Oilers instead of the Sabres.

[MizzouRah]

I'm just to the point where I'm sick of the NFL and it's greed. Yeah sure greed is everywhere.. but it's so transparent in the NFL.

Watching the Pitt - Cincy game last weekend just pushes me further out of the NFL window.