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[Bill_Abner]

Also, enough with the "did he have a mic" nonsense. I've played several folks without a mic and they've been totally cool, CDastros and Bill being the latest. Some people can't talk/don't like to talk during the game.

Hey I use a mic. I thought you were the one that was mic-less

[Sully]

Also, enough with the "did he have a mic" nonsense. I've played several folks without a mic and they've been totally cool, CDastros and Bill being the latest. Some people can't talk/don't like to talk during the game.

Sorry to rant for a bit, but we always seem to try and focus on the one or two pains in the ass instead of the other good players. Danimal's experience has been the exception to the rule, I think.
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You missed my point entirely.
It just figures that the guy didn't have his mic on.
The guy knows that nobody knows him. He knows that he's cheesing. So he keeps his mic off to shield himself from any criticism.

[Brando70]

Also, enough with the "did he have a mic" nonsense. I've played several folks without a mic and they've been totally cool, CDastros and Bill being the latest. Some people can't talk/don't like to talk during the game.

Hey I use a mic. I thought you were the one that was mic-less

That's weird, Bill. I always have my mic on in XBL. I know that setting gets changed sometimes, I'll check next time I play someone without it. However, given what I was saying that game, it's probably best that I was silent The cross-field throw to Bryant elicited a particular virulent strain of seven words you can't say on TV.

Sully, sorry I misunderstood you. It is true that cheesers tend to not use the mic.

[spooky157]

First of all, I find it unacceptable to not be able to control the DL. There are certain situations where I find it highly strategic -- goalline and prevent plays. I find it hard to shed blocks with my LB in obvious running situations. So when I'm in short yardage, I like to use a lineman. With soft defenses like Cover 4/12, I also like to control the DL because it's hard to see the LB or DB on a pass play 30 yards down the field. I inevitably screw up my positioning.

We didn't ignore people about controlling the DLine. We said you couldn't manually move DLs, only use the R-stick to change their spacing. There are blocking audibles, 90-style pass plays, and the R-stick evade moves. They don't stop the cheesing but they do help. Do I like having to play someone like that? No. But I don't want to be punished because of one f---tard using questionnable but not disallowed tactics.

Also, enough with the "did he have a mic" nonsense. I've played several folks without a mic and they've been totally cool, CDastros and Bill being the latest. Some people can't talk/don't like to talk during the game.

Sorry to rant for a bit, but we always seem to try and focus on the one or two pains in the ass instead of the other good players. Danimal's experience has been the exception to the rule, I think.

I agree with BK, though, anybody constantly speed rushing can be scrambled on all day.

I agree - I have no problem with anyone using a DL. This is the first time I've encountered anyone using this technique. There's gotta be a way to stop it or slow it down that I don't know. He's only 5-3 after all.

I don't think Sully was saying that anyone not using a mic would be a cheeser. I've played plenty of people without a mic that played straight. But people wearing their mics are less apt to use questionable tactics.

But I'd like to reiterate that even when using this tactic, he wasn't unbeatable by any means. I lost a game I could've and should've won. He made the big play at the end. It was a frustrating game but in no way does it diminish my enthusiasm for this league. I'll just have to fight much harder for a playoff spot now.

[Bill_Abner]

I agree - I have no problem with anyone using a DL. This is the first time I've encountered anyone using this technique. There's gotta be a way to stop it or slow it down that I don't know. He's only 5-3 after all. .

Yes but he entered the league late. He entered the league in week 3 when he played me and won 27-7 and sacked me 8 times. It was the biggest ass kicking I have taken this year. I even played Sully's Eagles a lot tougher than I did GB. The Eagles game was 21-7 but a bit closer than that if I recall.

Since week 3, GB has done the following:

Cleveland W 27-7
@ Miami W 24-10
San Francisco W 52-7
New Orleans W 40-6
Pittsburgh L 3-13
@ NY Jets W 24-21

I gotta know what wayne did to win 13-3.

And speaking of SF, has ANYONE seen scasmflop?

[Danimal]

Too bad you can't have a league where you just coached, that would certainly even the playing field and weed out the cheesers.

I'm sure half the people in our league wouldn't enjoy that though.

As for the DL thing, I'll drop it. but the first time I see someone controlling a DL and powering him up all bets are off. I am running leftwich every time I can. If someone can run 4 flea flickers in a game, no one should complain about QB's scrambiling.

[Bill_Abner]

Too bad you can't have a league where you just coached, that would certainly even the playing field and weed out the cheesers.

I'm sure half the people in our league wouldn't enjoy that though.

As for the DL thing, I'll drop it. but the first time I see someone controlling a DL and powering him up all bets are off. I am running leftwich every time I can. If someone can run 4 flea flickers in a game, no one should complain about QB's scrambiling.

You don't have to drop it I just wish we could come up with a solution. Maybe it's the power ups? I know that helps my DE get around that end a hell of a lot easier. It would be ideal if we could turn that off.

[Danimal]

Too bad you can't have a league where you just coached, that would certainly even the playing field and weed out the cheesers.

I'm sure half the people in our league wouldn't enjoy that though.

As for the DL thing, I'll drop it. but the first time I see someone controlling a DL and powering him up all bets are off. I am running leftwich every time I can. If someone can run 4 flea flickers in a game, no one should complain about QB's scrambiling.

You don't have to drop it I just wish we could come up with a solution. Maybe it's the power ups? I know that helps my DE get around that end a hell of a lot easier. It would be ideal if we could turn that off.

I'm kind of on your side now, that there is nothing we can do. I've played you Bill and I know you don't use those cheats.

But I'll be honest and say something that will get me in a lot of trouble around here. A lot of guys play straight until they see they need a big play and then wham they turn into Jeckyl and there is no way to control that. I've played a DSP guy who did it so it is not limited to non-DSP members.

I'm not naming who it was, I didn't even say anything about it after the game. I'm just using it to point out something, in competition it is human nature to want to win. Good people change and do whatever it takes to win, sometimes and you can't control that. Does that make them an a-hole, not in my book which is why I never said anything.

The guys I have the problem with our like the Washington owner who ran every cheesy trick in the book, I'm still waiting to hear why he wasn't warned since he broke the manual move of the DT rule. The original Philly owner who speed rushed all day and ended up with 9 sacks after our game. The guys who cheat all game are the a-holes in my book.

I honestly think I am getting a bad run for 2 reasons,

1. Mostly non DSP opponents
2. No one wants to lose to the crappy Jags, so if I get the game close or take a lead all hell breaks lose.

[bkrich83]

I don't buy in tp the NO DL automatically makes passing to easy.

I have played 6 games in this leage. I have yet to control a DLineman, Atlanta does not have very good DB's.. In those 6 games, I have given up more than 200 yds passing twice, with a high of 234. I have given up more than a 50% completion percentage once in those 6 games, and have managed a 4-2 record playing that style of D.

If people want to allow Dline play, so be it. But to say disallowing DL play opens up the pass game way too much is not true. And I don't do anything special. I just manage down and distance and coverages as I would if I were still coaching in real life.

[RobVarak]

LOL

Now you can't power up DLs either?

I LOVE when I play guys who consistently power up their DLs to rush, as it means they aren't controlling someone who can stop the absolutely devastating mid-range passing game. IMO power-ups are a legitimate risk-reward activity. It takes time, but it can help your rush. If I do it myself, I know that I'm leaving myself open to damn near the entire West Coast playbook.

[Brando70]

LOL

Now you can't power up DLs either?

I LOVE when I play guys who consistently power up their DLs to rush, as it means they aren't controlling someone who can stop the absolutely devastating mid-range passing game. IMO power-ups are a legitimate risk-reward activity. It takes time, but it can help your rush. If I do it myself, I know that I'm leaving myself open to damn near the entire West Coast playbook.

Exactly, Rob. That move can be extremely effective, but you also are taking a key member of the defense out of position. A little swing pass to Thomas Jones could go a long way (literally).

I will get a chance to find out for myself. I have the Green Bay Sacks on my schedule. I also play the Washington Flea Flickers next week. I have a little preparation to do for that game.

[laurenskye]

Too bad you can't have a league where you just coached, that would certainly even the playing field and weed out the cheesers.

I'm sure half the people in our league wouldn't enjoy that though.

As for the DL thing, I'll drop it. but the first time I see someone controlling a DL and powering him up all bets are off. I am running leftwich every time I can. If someone can run 4 flea flickers in a game, no one should complain about QB's scrambiling.

You don't have to drop it I just wish we could come up with a solution. Maybe it's the power ups? I know that helps my DE get around that end a hell of a lot easier. It would be ideal if we could turn that off.

I'm kind of on your side now, that there is nothing we can do. I've played you Bill and I know you don't use those cheats.

But I'll be honest and say something that will get me in a lot of trouble around here. A lot of guys play straight until they see they need a big play and then wham they turn into Jeckyl and there is no way to control that. I've played a DSP guy who did it so it is not limited to non-DSP members.

I'm not naming who it was, I didn't even say anything about it after the game. I'm just using it to point out something, in competition it is human nature to want to win. Good people change and do whatever it takes to win, sometimes and you can't control that. Does that make them an a-hole, not in my book which is why I never said anything.

The guys I have the problem with our like the Washington owner who ran every cheesy trick in the book, I'm still waiting to hear why he wasn't warned since he broke the manual move of the DT rule. The original Philly owner who speed rushed all day and ended up with 9 sacks after our game. The guys who cheat all game are the a-holes in my book.

I honestly think I am getting a bad run for 2 reasons,

1. Mostly non DSP opponents
2. No one wants to lose to the crappy Jags, so if I get the game close or take a lead all hell breaks lose.

I thought you might have been talking about me until I saw "If I get the game close all hell breaks loose" .

Like I said I am most comfortable controlling my DE, especially on 3rd and long, he has a speed of 80 which I am going to use. But I do not move hime individually along the line. I can usually get in clean twice a game and then the cpu seems to learn what you're doing and stops it.

Its easy to say these guys use glitches and should be kicked out but from what I've read the GB guy doesn't glitch, he just has the move down so well he gets right through. The only way to stop that is say you can't controll a DL.

[Danimal]

I thought you might have been talking about me until I saw "If I get the game close all hell breaks loose"

No, you kicked the holy hell out of me straight up.

[Sully]

In 8 games, I have not controlled a D-lineman on one single play.

It's just the way I prefer to play. My only problem is with glitchers, which in this case, that's what the GB owner is.

If you speed rush me all day, I'll hit you with quick slants, ins, and outs all day. However, the DT glitch makes things very tough. The DT comes into the backfield untouched. So, to counter that, McNabb will have a career day running the ball.

[bkrich83]

And as I said to Bill on AIM. There's a difference between someone using a speed rush,and someone using the DT Glitch. For me at least.

I can counter the speed rush, but the DT Glitch there really is no defense for. Nor is it very much fun to play someone using it. So I don't really have a problem with someone controlling the DE and playing "normally".

I have a blast playing the guys in the league win or lose. But I don't have fun when the game becomes a game of Cheese vs. Counter Cheese.

[Sully]

In 8 games, I have not controlled a D-lineman on one single play.

It's just the way I prefer to play. My only problem is with glitchers, which in this case, that's what the GB owner is.

If you speed rush me all day, I'll hit you with quick slants, ins, and outs all day. However, the DT glitch makes things very tough. The DT comes into the backfield untouched. So, to counter that, McNabb will have a career day running the ball.

To makes things a little bit more clear, I have no problems with those who chose to speed rush.

[XXXIV]

You missed my point entirely.
It just figures that the guy didn't have his mic on.
The guy knows that nobody knows him. He knows that he's cheesing. So he keeps his mic off to shield himself from any criticism.

I worry right away when the dude has no mic.
This one ass clown ( I wont name) went offsides intentionally 4 times after the game was over....This after he kept watching replays.
Its not always true( Ive had some great games bith NFL and NHL with no voice) ..but it is a bad sign when the guy has no sound.

As far as the DL...you can take them out of the game.
Ive only used Strahan maybe 6 plays the last 4 games and that was against a guy who was doing bad things.

[bkrich83]

You missed my point entirely.
It just figures that the guy didn't have his mic on.
The guy knows that nobody knows him. He knows that he's cheesing. So he keeps his mic off to shield himself from any criticism.

I worry right away when the dude has no mic.
This one ass clown ( I wont name) went offsides intentionally 4 times after the game was over....This after he kept watching replays.
Its not always true( Ive had some great games bith NFL and NHL with no voice) ..but it is a bad sign when the guy has no sound.

As far as the DL...you can take them out of the game.
Ive only used Strahan maybe 6 plays the last 4 games and that was against a guy who was doing bad things.

Yeah Hispter doesn't use a mic, and he's one of the coolest people to play. XXXIV didn't use the DL, and he shut my ass out.

BASTARD!! I demand a rematch to regain my honor!!

[XXXIV]

Yeah Hispter doesn't use a mic, and he's one of the coolest people to play. XXXIV didn't use the DL, and he shut my ass out.

BASTARD!! I demand a rematch to regain my honor!!

In my best Jim Mora voice...

Playoffs?

[Bill_Abner]

Well I mailed the GB owner telling him that if he uses that DT move again he'll get dumped. We'll see what happens next week.

That is if there IS next week. It's been 5 days and we have ten games left on the schedule.

[RobVarak]

Well I mailed the GB owner telling him that if he uses that DT move again he'll get dumped. We'll see what happens next week.

That is if there IS next week. It's been 5 days and we have ten games left on the schedule.

Bill. FYI, Wayne finally got in touch with me and we're working out a time right now.

[Sully]

You missed my point entirely.
It just figures that the guy didn't have his mic on.
The guy knows that nobody knows him. He knows that he's cheesing. So he keeps his mic off to shield himself from any criticism.

I worry right away when the dude has no mic.
This one ass clown ( I wont name) went offsides intentionally 4 times after the game was over....This after he kept watching replays.
Its not always true( Ive had some great games bith NFL and NHL with no voice) ..but it is a bad sign when the guy has no sound.

As far as the DL...you can take them out of the game.
Ive only used Strahan maybe 6 plays the last 4 games and that was against a guy who was doing bad things.

Yeah Hispter doesn't use a mic, and he's one of the coolest people to play. XXXIV didn't use the DL, and he shut my ass out.

BASTARD!! I demand a rematch to regain my honor!!

Yeah, Sudz is a good player. He had no mic against me, but I had a good time.

I only worry when I'm playing someone I'm not familiar with, and their mic is off. We'll see if this guy can change his ways. It's a shame he's not man enough to turn the mic on and take an earful from the outspoken group we have here...but, to each his own.

[ubrakto]

Has anyone else had problems sending or receiving challenges from the league lobby? Two of the last three weeks I could send/receive a ready message for my opponent but when the actual challenge was sent or received neither of us could see it.

Two weeks ago it was against King of Pain and he managed to fix it with some packet forwarding tweak in his router. This week I've got PB4201 (Baltimore) and it's the same thing (he said he had the same problem with his opponent last week). I've since enabled the tweak on my router and PB says he'll try to do the same, so we're giving it another go on Saturday, but I'm curious if anyone else has seen this.
---Todd

[Sudz]

I don't rawk the mic.

does that mean i cheese?

You missed my point entirely.
It just figures that the guy didn't have his mic on.
The guy knows that nobody knows him. He knows that he's cheesing. So he keeps his mic off to shield himself from any criticism.

I worry right away when the dude has no mic.
This one ass clown ( I wont name) went offsides intentionally 4 times after the game was over....This after he kept watching replays.
Its not always true( Ive had some great games bith NFL and NHL with no voice) ..but it is a bad sign when the guy has no sound.

As far as the DL...you can take them out of the game.
Ive only used Strahan maybe 6 plays the last 4 games and that was against a guy who was doing bad things.

[XXXIV]

I don't rawk the mic.

does that mean i cheese?

( Ive had some great games bith NFL and NHL with no voice)

Hell No!
It means you fall into the category in parenthesis.
As others have testified.
We had a great hockey game as I recall in NHL season 1.....You beat living crap out of self.

No Mic means higher chance of bad things ...does not mean bad things.