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greggsand wrote:Apparently Bynum hurt his "other knee" while bowling. What a dumb&ss.
"Apparently". Supposedly he's a big bowler. I'm guessing there is more smoke than fire to this story.

From what I've seen/read Bynum says he could play right now if it were the playoffs or the playoffs run. The Sixers have a chance to lock down an incredibly talented young big man, which are incredibly hard to come by, for the long term. If they rush him back it could blow up in their face. I'll be honest, even if this situation turns into season ending knee surgery I'd still sign him long term if he's willing. He is young and proven. Yes he has baggage but who the hell doesn't anymore?
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You'd think 'bowling' (among 100+ other things) would be off the list during knee rehab despite his passion for bowling. maybe he can replace his love of bowling with water skiing. At least he admitted it "@JeffZillgitt: Sixers' Andrew Bynum said he has bowled a few times during knee rehab: "In hindsight, I guess you shouldn't go bowling." "
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Yep he confirmed he tweaked the knee while bowling. I just want to see him play. The sixers are winning with smoke and mirrors right now. They built the team around him and now they don't have any post presence. Hawes, Allen and Kwame Brown are far from post threats.
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Zach Lowe has a great write-up on the Philly-Bynum possibilities:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/868 ... drew-bynum
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greggsand wrote:Zach Lowe has a great write-up on the Philly-Bynum possibilities:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/868 ... drew-bynum
Nice column. I just hope things get better soon. If Bynum can get on the court for 30+ games I'd be happy ant this point
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Why would anyone want to coach in the NBA? Avery Johnson gets fired by the Nets after winning coach of the month in November. They had a poor December but holy s***...show a little patience. The Daniel Snyder 'school of ownership' just makes you look like a clown.
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Diablo25 wrote:Why would anyone want to coach in the NBA? Avery Johnson gets fired by the Nets after winning coach of the month in November. They had a poor December but holy s***...show a little patience. The Daniel Snyder 'school of ownership' just makes you look like a clown.
There's no time for patience in Brooklyn. New arena, with crosstown rivals lighting up the East. Immediate pressure.
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pk500 wrote:
Diablo25 wrote:Why would anyone want to coach in the NBA? Avery Johnson gets fired by the Nets after winning coach of the month in November. They had a poor December but holy s***...show a little patience. The Daniel Snyder 'school of ownership' just makes you look like a clown.
There's no time for patience in Brooklyn. New arena, with crosstown rivals lighting up the East. Immediate pressure.
Well, that and Avery Johnson is apparently a complete prick. Same reason he was run out of Dallas even with a sparkling record there and why it took him so long to land his next gig in Brooklyn. Given that he's a good coach, it shouldn't have taken that long, but personality goes a long way when it comes to coaches it seems.
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It didn't work out for Karl Malone and Gary Payton when they joined the Lakers and it's not going to happen for Nash or Howard.

If Nash isn't creating easy shots for is teammates because Kobe needs the ball, then there's no point in having him out there at the same time they're going iso with Kobe because Nash is a defensive liability.
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dbdynsty25 wrote:Still don't think Nash is the right PG for them if they are running the Princeton offense as expected. Any Phoenix fan can tell you that Nash without the ball in his hands is a liability. The Terry Porter/Shaq era proved that. Age and injuries are probably the only thing keeping LA from the Finals. Man did Orlando get fleeced. Embarrassing.

And Diablo...I'd worry more about Bynums injury history than his attitude. At least this year. If you sign him long term then obviously the attitude comes into play but he will be on his best behavior this year.
So, the exact thing I said in August eh Wco? And damn I prophetic about Bynum too, lol.
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[quote="wco81"]It didn't work out for Karl Malone and Gary Payton when they joined the Lakers and it's not going to happen for Nash or Howard.
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It's weird how often I see the Malone/Payton year referenced as a bust. They were great that year, and made it to the finals. It's not like it was a some gross blunder. They got to finals, Malone was injured, and then lost to detroit. Waay different than what the current Lakers are going through. The Malone/Payton deal was pretty easy gamble (min salaries, no major trades) that paid off from a franchise standpoint. Hard to see that team making the finals otherwise.
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They're not trying to run the Princeton offense any more. D'Antoni and Nash are suppose to bring back the old Suns offense, except Howard isn't getting the easy pick and roll dunks and Gasol isn't playing like Diaw did that one year.

So Nash can't create easy baskets for his team.

They have to labor to put up points, usually with Kobe hogging the ball.

They let guys like Shannon Brown and Sessions, who both provided quickness and athleticism in the backcourt, go and end up paying Nash more than they'd have had to pay those players.

Star power is one thing but when the Lakers get blasted, Staples was eerily quiet. The fair weather fans will stay away, maybe get Clippers tickets.

Wonder if it will affect their TV deal. Will they give Howard a max deal after the season? Will he take it and continue to take crumbs after Kobe has scarfed up most of the cake (the ball)?
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Payton and Malone didn't join the Lakers that year just to get to the Finals. They both wanted a ring.

Lakers didn't sign them just to get to the Finals either, which is why they were gone after that season.
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wco81 wrote:They're not trying to run the Princeton offense any more.
No kidding. Thanks for the update.

And Shannon Brown is garbage...I get to watch him every night and every night I wonder how he's in the NBA.
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wco81 wrote:They're not trying to run the Princeton offense any more. D'Antoni and Nash are suppose to bring back the old Suns offense, except Howard isn't getting the easy pick and roll dunks and Gasol isn't playing like Diaw did that one year.

So Nash can't create easy baskets for his team.

They have to labor to put up points, usually with Kobe hogging the ball.

They let guys like Shannon Brown and Sessions, who both provided quickness and athleticism in the backcourt, go and end up paying Nash more than they'd have had to pay those players.

Star power is one thing but when the Lakers get blasted, Staples was eerily quiet. The fair weather fans will stay away, maybe get Clippers tickets.

Wonder if it will affect their TV deal. Will they give Howard a max deal after the season? Will he take it and continue to take crumbs after Kobe has scarfed up most of the cake (the ball)?
Will a bad season affect their 20 year 'buckets of cash' TV deal? No. Lakers are a brand like the Yankees - they are printing money. Seriously, win or lose - staples is full, the corporate luxury boxes are sold-out.

I think the Lakers will offer Howard a max deal after this year despite how less than stellar he looks. It's not like there are many (any) big men out there to sign next year. Whether Howard takes the money? Who knows. He's crazy. I could see him going to Dallas or 10 other teams next year.

No one is missing Shannon Brown in LA. They already have enough guys who don't play defense & miss wide open 12 footers.
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dbdynsty25 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... _rKW3HL9GE

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That's a 99 on the Sprite slam scale.

Playoffs: obvious no one in the East will give Miami a series. Are the Lakers the team that could challenge them the most? I see the Spurs being pesky but not able to keep up, and the Thunder are one star short in terms of matching talent. Could the Lakers pull off the upset if they reach the Finals?
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It still boggles the mind that OKC didn't keep Harden.
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Luxury tax, esp. for a small market franchise.
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wco81 wrote:Luxury tax, esp. for a small market franchise.
Ahhh, so you're part of the group that is fooled by "markets" in the NBA these days. No small market teams anymore...everyone can afford to pay players, it's that the owners don't WANT to. The latest lockout and TV deal have eliminated that farce. The owners have PLENTY of money and they fooled the public (including yourself) into believing they are struggling. It's bullsh*t. Sure, not all owners want to pay 100 million in luxury tax like the Lakers, but they can all pay up to to the limit without problem.
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I wonder if Micky Arison will pony up to keep the Big 3 in Miami after 2014?
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Rodster wrote:It still boggles the mind that OKC didn't keep Harden.
Not surprising at all. They offered him $55 million and that wasn't enough, so rather than let him walk, they got good players and an assload of picks for him. They are also on pace for a better regular season record than last year.

I do think it makes them a weaker playoff team, but as a long-term move, it made a lot of sense. Like WCO said, they are a small market team, and they can't give a max contract to the third-best player on the roster.
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I love the first round of the playoffs. Non-stop playoff basketball!

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This is a first for me: I'm relishing the NBA Playoffs more than the Stanley Cup Playoffs this year.
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Ditto to what PK said, seeing how The Heat are the only good team in Miami these days. I was listening to some of the analyst on NBA TV that said the Knicks pose a big threat to Miami this year. Seeing how Melo has been playing along with the run towards the end of the season, I tend to believe it. That's one of the few teams on the Heat's schedule that gave them problems.
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