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sportdan30 wrote:I might be the Wii's first casualty.....

I'm considering parting ways with the Wii....maybe. I just don't know if I necessarily have the patience to wait for some above average games to surface on the Wii. Wii Sports is great, don't get me wrong. But, the other games I've rented besides Trauma Center (Madden, Monkey Ball, Super Swing Golf) have been disappointing to me at least. Personally, I think many of these games would be just as good or better on the 360 or PS3.

Graphically, these game really do suffer on my HDTV. Everything just feels muddy and fuzzy. The new cables I got from Nintendo haven't really impressed me all too much. The 360 believe it or not turned me in to a graphics whore.

Also, I'm finding myself becoming a little burned out on the whole Wiimote hysteria. I'll game sometimes on the 360 even if I'm a bit tired, but I'm finding the Wiimote a burden when I just want to relax and play a game. My arms and wrists become exhausted after 15 minutes or so of gaming.

The main reason I'd keep the Wii is for my kids. The downloadable games are decent right now, and I think they'll showcase some more retro games in the months ahead. These games would be great for my son, but having to spend 10-15 clams for an original Nintendo game is a bit much. I don't want to invest too much in to the system as it's not my main source of gaming. However, it's nice to know that the Gamecube games can be played on the system. I'm assuming I can probably find some old GC game on the cheap.

So, that's where it stands. I guess I keep thinking what I'd do with that extra 300 or so dollars.
I have to admit, I am feeling a bit similar. But I think I will wait it out per Sport73's comments.

Although...I am sure it will be no problem to find a Wii in February so maybe I sell mine now and fund a new one in Feb.
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Finally tried it. They had a lot of kiosks set up at a mall.

Tried tennis first, singleplayer. The serving animation was odd, I would flick the wand to get the toss and then when I swung, the animation was at best 3/4 swing if not sidearm. I tried straight vertical swing but the animation on screen was the same.

But the bigger deal is, at most I only had to take two shots before hitting a winner which wasn't returned. There were no rallies requiring me to hit more than twice.

I quit and looked for settings to increase difficulty but couldn't find it. I would hope there are different settings or the game would be boring singleplayer.

Then I tried baseball for awhile. Couldn't score any runs. Am I mistaken that you can't field or throw to a base? If you can't get the ball out of the infield, even a grounder, it's called an out as soon as it's fielded and there were never any throws to a base.

Balls hit to the outfield were either caught or usually a double. Again, they ruled it a double after the outfielder fielded the ball, sometimes shallow where you should be able to limit the runner to a single. But there was no throwing to the base?

On pitching, I didn't know about holding the buttons down to get different pitch types. I just tried different throwing motions and it didn't affect location, just velocity based on how much acceleration I had in the motion. I could feel my shoulder straining a bit. I tried just flicking my wrist and saw that it had the same effect as moving my whole arm, trying to emulate a throwing motion.

So you could sit on the couch and play this. You could stand up and try to do a proper motion but it makes no difference.

Didn't see any depth in these games but I understand these are more demos than full-fledged games, which would appeal more to casual gamers in a party setting or kids.

But even if they did a full-fledged game, it appears the wand is only measuring the acceleration and just whether there's a motion or not, not the nature of that motion. It would be cool for instance if you can do a sidearm pitching motion and you got that on screen. But that can't work really unless it's processing the posture and relative arm position of the player.

It would be easy to dismiss it as form over substance but it doesn't really even track your form.
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wco81 wrote:Tried tennis first, singleplayer. The serving animation was odd, I would flick the wand to get the toss and then when I swung, the animation was at best 3/4 swing if not sidearm. I tried straight vertical swing but the animation on screen was the same.

But the bigger deal is, at most I only had to take two shots before hitting a winner which wasn't returned. There were no rallies requiring me to hit more than twice.

I quit and looked for settings to increase difficulty but couldn't find it. I would hope there are different settings or the game would be boring singleplayer.
The skill level of the competition changes as your level advances. Each match you play raises(or lowers) your overall level, and the level of your competitors rises accordingly. It is a solid system, with easy entry, rapid advancement if your good and decent competition. The rallies lengthen because the better skilled players get to more of your cross-court shots.
wco81 wrote:Then I tried baseball for awhile. Couldn't score any runs. Am I mistaken that you can't field or throw to a base? If you can't get the ball out of the infield, even a grounder, it's called an out as soon as it's fielded and there were never any throws to a base.

Balls hit to the outfield were either caught or usually a double. Again, they ruled it a double after the outfielder fielded the ball, sometimes shallow where you should be able to limit the runner to a single. But there was no throwing to the base?
It is not a baseball simulation by any means, so they just simplified it to show one part and "announce the results of the play". I think that is too simple in many ways, but it does keep the game moving quickly. I've seen shallow outfield plays ruled singles, and botched infield plays - I even pulled off a bunt down the third base line. Again, some of these things may only show as you advance in skill like in Tennis.
wco81 wrote:On pitching, I didn't know about holding the buttons down to get different pitch types. I just tried different throwing motions and it didn't affect location, just velocity based on how much acceleration I had in the motion. I could feel my shoulder straining a bit. I tried just flicking my wrist and saw that it had the same effect as moving my whole arm, trying to emulate a throwing motion.

So you could sit on the couch and play this. You could stand up and try to do a proper motion but it makes no difference.
Pitching location is controlled by the directional pad (high/low, inside/outside), and the A button and B button alone or in combination change the pitch type (screwball, curve, & splitter, respectively). You can switch to a side/underhand pitch style by hitting the 2 button near the bottom of the remote. There is more depth, variation and strategy involved in the pitching than I thought at first, and I actually enjoy working a batter.

Most of the Wii Sports games are only measuring the change in the accelerometer, so however you are comfortable making a quick motion works fine. It is up to you whether you get into it or play casually, which is great, and also means people with limited motioning abilities can still play.
wco81 wrote:Didn't see any depth in these games but I understand these are more demos than full-fledged games, which would appeal more to casual gamers in a party setting or kids.

But even if they did a full-fledged game, it appears the wand is only measuring the acceleration and just whether there's a motion or not, not the nature of that motion. It would be cool for instance if you can do a sidearm pitching motion and you got that on screen. But that can't work really unless it's processing the posture and relative arm position of the player.

It would be easy to dismiss it as form over substance but it doesn't really even track your form.
As I said above, there is much more depth than I expected in these tech demo games. The remote can track acceleration as well as tilt or torque; bowling and tennis both allow the user to put spin on the ball, so there is some gyroscopic measurement taking place. There should be nothing stopping a developer from measuring the tilt of the controller and calculating sidearm, underarm or overhand from that measurement, beyond the difficulty in taking into account the myriad of ways that motion would vary from individual to individual and how best to interpret it.

It will be interesting to see what developers do in the coming few years. The information than can be gathered from the remote should lend itself to a broad application of games, and combined with the pointer information could be eye-opening. Whether anyone besides Nintendo tries to do anything beyond ports certainly remains to be seen, but I see great potential in the technology.

I'm still learning more and more what the simple Wii Sports title can really do. It seems I'm learning some new stuff every time I play.
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Thanks for the detailed answers. Will try to check it out again.

Yeah I'd like to see the tilt used more to track motions better.

But they may have to use video to complement the accelerometer and gyro.

Real cool thing would be to track your motion exactly, especially idiosyncratic motions, something that couldn't come from a precanned animation.
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wco, try bowling. I think it is the best simulation out of the 5 Wii sports games. It is great, I am constantly trying to bowl better but my spin is not consistent enough to get me to Pro difficulty :/
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WillHunting wrote:wco, try bowling. I think it is the best simulation out of the 5 Wii sports games. It is great, I am constantly trying to bowl better but my spin is not consistent enough to get me to Pro difficulty :/
I hit Pro yesterday! My bowling ball now has Diamonds on it. Yeah, that's how I roll.

I'm having trouble getting over the Pro hump in Tennis. I hit Pro in Golf and have almost in Baseball (I get too sloppy and frustrated with Boxing, so even amateur ain't happenin'), but Tennis I'm hanging in the 800 range, and it is the one I play the most. Bothersome.

wco - I would love to see a more accurate system, but we won't get the combo of motion/video unless the Wii really succeeds. Sony has supposedly filed a patent application for something combining a motion controller & an eyetoy like camera. That might even get me to buy a PSwhatever if they pulled it off.
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Haha, my wife and I hit Pro in the same game tonight! LOL, we were high fiving and hugging each other... I know, so stupid but yet, so much fun. :oops:
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I'm a PRO in bowling with a score around 1400, while in Tennis I've made it to almost 1800. The competition is pretty fierce in Tennis as these guys track down all but perfect shots and play the net/long ball very well...

As others have said, I consistently find new things in the control schemes, and feel there is sufficient accuracy for very rewarding Sports gameplay IF the development community steps up and delivers.
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Coming to the Wii next month.... Wii Play

* Shooting Range, a point-and-fire game of target practice in the Duck Hunt tradition.

* Billiards, a simplified variation of nine-ball with stunningly realistic physics that uses your Wii Remote as your pool cue.

* Find Mii, in which you scan the crowds to find the right Mii - and Miis you and your friends created make an appearance.

* Tanks!, in which you command a toy tank on a miniature battlefield in a gauntlet of 100 missions.

* Other games include Pose Mii, Table Tennis, Fishing, Charge! and Laser Hockey.
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PRBoom wrote:Question fellas. Since GC controllers etc work with the Wii, will my S-Video cable that I currently have work as well?

Madcatz is taking pre-orders for their Component cables. 19.99 (+7.50 for cheapest shipping option) and they ship Dec 13th.
Just received the cables. Will be nice to actually be able to hook the Wii up for the kid the best way possible on Christmas morning.
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Just lucked in to a Wii.

Was at futureshop looking for a case to fit an audio device I have (Zoom H4) and figured PSP cases were the best bet. I'm looking at the cases and I hear: "is anyone here for a Wii" from a salesperson.

I put my hand up. Was #9 of 12.

Got a good case too. The PSP Leather Case (not ultimate) is perfect for the Zoom H4.
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The Weather Channel is live. Seems pretty good, nice interface, quick and easy pull back to global view and you can spin it (weeeeee!).

Opera browser Beta is supposed to be available before Christmas, with News Channel in Jan.
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Anyone actually get controllers from that Dell deal a while back? When I ordered they were in stock. I just realized they never showed up and now when I check the status they won't ship until the middle of January. Plus they won't let me cancel. Bastards.
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I ended up getting picked in the random draw at Amazon.com today so I should have a Wii by Friday. :D Of course I've searched all over and can't find any extra controllers anywhere but at least I'll have the system. I'm assuming the bowling in Wii sports will let us just hand off the wiimote between players.
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mixdj1 wrote:I'm assuming the bowling in Wii sports will let us just hand off the wiimote between players.
Yup.
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I am thinking I am just going to pickup another 360 before I get a Wii. I have looked hard for one and with no luck finding one and seeing LOADS of 360's on store shelves it is making my decision easy. I will say this, my sons DS is very fun and its getting a lot of play time from me when he is not around LOL.
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SEMINOLE wrote:I am thinking I am just going to pickup another 360 before I get a Wii. I have looked hard for one and with no luck finding one and seeing LOADS of 360's on store shelves it is making my decision easy. I will say this, my sons DS is very fun and its getting a lot of play time from me when he is not around LOL.
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Cool about the DS. Neat little machine, eh? What DS games are you enjoying?

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mixdj1 wrote:I ended up getting picked in the random draw at Amazon.com today so I should have a Wii by Friday. :D Of course I've searched all over and can't find any extra controllers anywhere but at least I'll have the system. I'm assuming the bowling in Wii sports will let us just hand off the wiimote between players.
I was able to find Wiimotes and Nunchucks in BB and EB/GS. But there weren't alot of them so you have to check everyday.
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WillHunting wrote:
mixdj1 wrote:I ended up getting picked in the random draw at Amazon.com today so I should have a Wii by Friday. :D Of course I've searched all over and can't find any extra controllers anywhere but at least I'll have the system. I'm assuming the bowling in Wii sports will let us just hand off the wiimote between players.
I was able to find Wiimotes and Nunchucks in BB and EB/GS. But there weren't alot of them so you have to check everyday.
Wiimotes have been coming in fairly regularly, Nunchucks are much more rare though.
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I ended up just ordering an extra Wiimote and Nunchuck from the Nintendo store. I really don't like running all over trying to track down this stuff so even if it takes a few weeks to arrive at least I'm done searching.
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mixdj1 wrote:I ended up just ordering an extra Wiimote and Nunchuck from the Nintendo store. I really don't like running all over trying to track down this stuff so even if it takes a few weeks to arrive at least I'm done searching.
An avid gamer with patience? GASP! :)

The only thing more rare is an avid gamer with fiscal discipline. :)

Glad you found your stuff, Mix.

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pk500 wrote:
mixdj1 wrote:I ended up just ordering an extra Wiimote and Nunchuck from the Nintendo store. I really don't like running all over trying to track down this stuff so even if it takes a few weeks to arrive at least I'm done searching.
An avid gamer with patience? GASP! :)

The only thing more rare is an avid gamer with fiscal discipline. :)

Glad you found your stuff, Mix.

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Hehe, I am both! Still do not have 360 (wanted one for awhile now). But too cheap/poor to buy most games new (usually wait for them to drop or watch CAG daily).

Heck, I don't see myself buying a Wii game for a long time. Wii Sports is amazing and I am happy playing that.
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Cheers to Will! A gamer with whom I definitely can identify. :)

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I am having a ton of fun with Super Swing Golf.

The game is definitely on the arcade side as far as courses and what not. The swing mechanic is fun...although a little different. Putting is tough...which I like.

Once you get past the Manga characters...ugh...and play it as a game it is an super fun challenge.

I can pick up and play pangya match in 10-15 minutes. Matches range from 3-6-or 9 holes so far which is just right.

I played my first match on a course called Silvia's Cannon and let me say it was the best designed course in arcade golf ever IMO. The first 6 holes(all I ahve played so far) offered many ways to try and get across various battleships/carriers that were turned into golf courses. Planes were on the deck and helicopters hover in the air. Sweet and a huge challenge.

Not to mention GameCrazy had this at $40....Not a bad pick-up after a trade in. I have put in over 6 hours so far in short 10-30 minute spurts.
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Thanks for the impressions! Super Swing Golf is a probable post-Christmas gift card purchase for me, so it is great to hear some positive feedback.
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