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dbdynsty25 wrote:
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10spro wrote:Hawks love to make things tough for them especially on the road. But's it's been nice that rookie Wilson's training wheels have been lifted for a few games now. SEA has struggled on the road but they almost always seem to change their fortunes away in CHI.
Chicago seems to be their home away from home as that is three straight wins here.
And the Seahawks are terrible away from home.

Well the Rams beat em :D

Then again the Rams are the only NFC West team that is undefeated in division play. I dont see them winning in Seattle but ya never know.
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I didn't get to see the Rams game, BUT OH BABY!!!
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MizzouRah wrote:I didn't get to see the Rams game, BUT OH BABY!!!

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F308GTB wrote:What a f$ckhead. If you want to off yourself, fine. Don't take someone down with you.

Did he have known mental issues? Too many hits to the head?
This article says he suffered from head injuries and his mom supposedly saw him kill his GF.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/girl ... Kf4Jasj5EP
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Rodster wrote:
F308GTB wrote:What a f$ckhead. If you want to off yourself, fine. Don't take someone down with you.

Did he have known mental issues? Too many hits to the head?
This article says he suffered from head injuries and his mom supposedly saw him kill his GF.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/girl ... Kf4Jasj5EP
That just sucks. So what will be the over-under on the NFL getting hit as a co-conspirator in a wrongful death lawsuit by the GF's family? Between this and the other players getting whacked out or suffering health issues something has to come to a head.
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MizzouRah wrote:I didn't get to see the Rams game, BUT OH BABY!!!

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I thought I said it here because I was saying it for the first 6-8 weeks (and I'm too lazy to look back through 20 pages), but the Bears D was never going to be able to stay as effective as they were in the first quarter of the season. Age is merciless, and even with their rotation, they just have too many key players on the wrong side of 30. There wasn't enough oxygen in the world to help them down the stretch today. Wilson looked ready to go another 15 rounds.

It's just so Bears that they get their best QB-WR-RB grouping in 30 years just in time to see the defense fall apart for the first time in 15 years.
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RobVarak wrote:I thought I said it here because I was saying it for the first 6-8 weeks (and I'm too lazy to look back through 20 pages), but the Bears D was never going to be able to stay as effective as they were in the first quarter of the season. Age is merciless, and even with their rotation, they just have too many key players on the wrong side of 30. There wasn't enough oxygen in the world to help them down the stretch today. Wilson looked ready to go another 15 rounds.

It's just so Bears that they get their best QB-WR-RB grouping in 30 years just in time to see the defense fall apart for the first time in 15 years.
That game would have been completely different if Bennett hadn't dropped that wide open bomb from Cutler. The defense did not play well, but the game would have been 14-0 and I think gone completely differently. I also would have kicked the FG on the 4th-and-1 that Bush failed to convert, just to make it a two score game.

I also hate how every QB the Bears play is at a minimum better than every Bears QB I've seen except Cutler and McMahon.
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The bomb might have made a difference, but the defense has been looking this way for about 3-4 weeks now. The end of every half is basically a race against the clock trying to get off the field before the opposition scores. They just don't have the legs.

I expect that Wilson would have made it hard for them to hold on no matter what. As nicely as the offense played yesterday, they still can't possess the ball for stretches long enough to give the D a real break. Even their 96-yard drive was barely more than 5 minutes long.

I don't see a real solution for this in the short-term. They're still loaded with talented defensive players and some games will have enough turnovers or sacks that they can certainly avoid being ground down. I just don't think there will be enough of those games, especially as they tire down the stretch and the niggling injuries continue to pile up.
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The season comes down to the Packers game. If they lose, I have no further expectations even if they make the playoffs. If they win and manage to hang on to the NFC North title, I will let myself at least entertain some possibilities of a run, especially if the offense can at least continue to generate yards if not a lot of points.
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Another indication of how important Robert Griffin III is for the Redskins: a streak of 10 consecutive home losses on Monday Night is now over.

Clearly the defense's performance in the 2nd half was the most unexpected element of last night's win, but it's hard to see how this team could possibly be .500 without the new quarterback.
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What did they trade to move up again? And who was eventually drafted with those picks?

Yeah a franchise QB, esp. a potential all-pro, maybe MVP, is probably worth all those picks.
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/76682 ... louis-rams

'In the deal, the Rams will receive the Redskins' No. 6 overall pick this year, as well as the Redskins' first-round picks in 2013 and 2014. The Rams also will receive Washington's second-round pick this year in return for the second overall pick.'

Still two #1 picks to come or two #1 picks to be traded.

The trade has made the Redskins ceiling huge but the trade could also go a very long way in continuing the Rams recent success vs the niners for years to come.
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Griffin is totally worth it.
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Griffin is totally worth it.
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fsquid wrote:Griffin is totally worth it.
I doubt at this point you will find anyone with half a brain to argue that point with you. You can try.
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fsquid wrote:Griffin is totally worth it.
I doubt at this point you will find anyone with half a brain to argue that point with you. You can try.
They all said the same thing about Cam Newton about this time last year and he's regressed (or the NFL has kinda figured him out)...so lets not get too ahead of ourselves.
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dbdynsty25 wrote:
XXXIV wrote:
fsquid wrote:Griffin is totally worth it.
I doubt at this point you will find anyone with half a brain to argue that point with you. You can try.
They all said the same thing about Cam Newton about this time last year and he's regressed (or the NFL has kinda figured him out)...so lets not get too ahead of ourselves.
Griffin is having a better rookie season than Newton. As good as Newton was last year, he still made a lot of rookie QB mistakes. Griffin looks like he's been playing QB in the NFL for five years already. He has completed 67% of his passes to a group of receivers who have KY Jelly on their hands. He could regress as all players could, but he's done everything to justify that trade so far.
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dbdynsty25 wrote:
XXXIV wrote:
They all said the same thing about Cam Newton about this time last year and he's regressed (or the NFL has kinda figured him out)...so lets not get too ahead of ourselves.
That's the same feeling I have, let's see what he does next season.
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Shanahan is probably a better offensive coach than anyone on Carolina's staff.

In fact the play design of the Redskins is said to make safeties hesitate for a second, which is a big advantage.

But yeah there were questions about Cam's accuracy before he was drafted whereas RG3 was thought to be as accurate as Luck.

Luck has thrown a lot of ints. but he's attempted about 50% more passes than RG3 because the Colts rely on him more for offense and in general to make up for the deficiencies of the defense.

Peyton threw a lot of ints. in his rookie year but he had a better supporting cast with Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison.
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wco81 wrote:Shanahan is probably a better offensive coach than anyone on Carolina's staff.

In fact the play design of the Redskins is said to make safeties hesitate for a second, which is a big advantage.

But yeah there were questions about Cam's accuracy before he was drafted whereas RG3 was thought to be as accurate as Luck.

Luck has thrown a lot of ints. but he's attempted about 50% more passes than RG3 because the Colts rely on him more for offense and in general to make up for the deficiencies of the defense.

Peyton threw a lot of ints. in his rookie year but he had a better supporting cast with Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison.
Luck also looks to be the real deal and having Reggie Wayne doesn't hurt. But I agree with db, you gotta wait at least a year for RG3 and Luck and see how NFL teams adjust to them in the off season now that DC's will have enough tape on them to try and counter what they do.
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Roger Goodell mulling over idea of eliminating kickoffs

"After a touchdown or field goal, instead of kicking off, a team would get the ball on its own 30-yard line, where it's fourth and 15," TIME's Sean Gregory writes. "The options are either to go for it and try to retain possession or punt. If you go for it and fall short, of course, the opposing team would take over with good field position. In essence, a punt replaces the kickoffs."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... witter_atl

If that somehow becomes a part of the game, I think I will be done with the NFL.
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vader29 wrote:Roger Goodell mulling over idea of eliminating kickoffs

"After a touchdown or field goal, instead of kicking off, a team would get the ball on its own 30-yard line, where it's fourth and 15," TIME's Sean Gregory writes. "The options are either to go for it and try to retain possession or punt. If you go for it and fall short, of course, the opposing team would take over with good field position. In essence, a punt replaces the kickoffs."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... witter_atl

If that somehow becomes a part of the game, I think I will be done with the NFL.
This reminds me of a quote made by Terry Bradshaw "There will be a time in the next decade where we will not see football as it is, I believe," the former Pittsburgh Steelers great said.

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I thought the competition committee would have to vote for something like this. They have to get something like a supermajority of owners? That's how they limited the scope of replays in the past, because there were a handful of holdouts against the rule change.

So maybe the idea behind this is to reduce injuries, because you have more players sprinting downfield to break up blockers.

I'd rather they change replay rules so that they can review every play, none of this judgement BS. Like pass interference calls, which can decide games. Well on replay, some of those situations are clearly obvious, like Golden Tate pushing off and the Seahawks stealing a win from the Packers.
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wco81 wrote:I thought the competition committee would have to vote for something like this. They have to get something like a supermajority of owners? That's how they limited the scope of replays in the past, because there were a handful of holdouts against the rule change.

So maybe the idea behind this is to reduce injuries, because you have more players sprinting downfield to break up blockers.

I'd rather they change replay rules so that they can review every play, none of this judgement BS. Like pass interference calls, which can decide games. Well on replay, some of those situations are clearly obvious, like Golden Tate pushing off and the Seahawks stealing a win from the Packers.
Games would take six hours. I hate when officials get it wrong but I'd rather have that than having every play replay. Think of how many times they might call holding.
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