NFL Season 2011-2012

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:11 pm

Rodster wrote:So what other franchise QB's are in this years draft the Dolphins could go after? What other teams have needs for a franchise QB other than Indy and Miami?

Oh, most dfinitely the Redskins are on that list. Desperately in need of a franchise QB, since, like, the Theisman days.

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:24 pm

vinny-b wrote:
Disagree 100% and we'll see if Houston nosedives because they have a great running game and defense this year so far....
and no Matt Schaub.

And your point is? Matt has been more of a game manager this year relying on his skill positions (Foster, Tate, Dreesen, Daniel and that phenomenal O-Line) to make plays. They have relied far less on Schaub to make plays this year, have you seen his stats? Most of his stats are WAY down from previous years. Why? Because they can run the ball and control the clock with their game management passing attack.

They have also played 60% of the season WITHOUT Andre Johnson and he is making his return this week which will prevent teams from stacking the box top stop the run. Leinart is also more mobile than Schaub and is very comfortable rolling out of the pocket and throwing. He has also been taking the majority of snaps in the past several practices since the Oakland game because Schaub has been banged up. Last, but not least, Leinart KNOWS this offense and the Texans will do everything they can to put him in positions to do well instead of relying on him to make game-winning throws. All he has to do is make a few throws, not fumble and manage the game plan and he will be fine.

No question that the Texans offense is going to be challenged more without Schaub than with, but you are making it sound like Leinart is the 2nd coming of Joe Pisarcik and until that happens, I am going to give Leinart the benefit of the doubt.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:10 pm

Brando70 wrote:
Lancer wrote:Brett Favre , Chicago Bear?

Doesn't big ben have a broken thumb this year and he's still playing?
Not all thumb injuries are created equal.

It's a tough blow, but I think the Bears can win with Caleb Hanie as long as they run the ball and play good defense. Next week's game at Oakland will be tough, but I think they still can beat the Broncos, Chefs, and Seahawks in that stretch. The Packers may be resting players by week 16 when the Bears visit Lambeau, and they close at the Vikings. I think 4-2 is achievable, and even 3-3 may still get them in the playoffs.

Such a shame. These last 5 games are the first time that the Bears have had a modern NFL offense in a long time. Sounds like Cutler will be back for the playoffs for sure, and possibly for the Vikings game.

It's amusing to see all the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments from the same brainless meatheads who were calling Cutler a p***y 10 months ago.

TCrouch · Post by **TCrouch** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:15 pm

It'll be interesting to see if the OL really improved as much as it seems, or if Cutler was just doing that much more. Oakland has posted 11 sacks in the past 2 games and at least 2 dozen QB hits and 3 dozen pressures, most of it coming from the defensive linemen.

I think it may not be a big deal for the Bears this week, because scrambling QBs give the Raiders fits. They sacked Christian Ponder 5 times yesterday, and could have had 4 more had he not made somebody miss and taken off running. Caleb Hanie may end up with 100 yards rushing this week if they keep that pattern up. Tebow killed them on the ground, and Ponder did damage on the ground, but Rivers couldn't. He just stood in the pocket and got annihilated, so if Martz is smart he won't keep calling the same plays where Hanie will get hit 12 to 15 times by the huge Raiders D-Linemen. However, with them playing so much man to man with a single high safety, it only takes one lineman to play a bit out of position to give up huge yards to QB's.

I'm betting they run it a bunch with Hanie, and give him 1 or 2 looks and their blessing to just take off at the first sign of pressure.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:20 pm

TCrouch wrote:It'll be interesting to see if the OL really improved as much as it seems, or if Cutler was just doing that much more. Oakland has posted 11 sacks in the past 2 games and at least 2 dozen QB hits and 3 dozen pressures, most of it coming from the defensive linemen.

It's a little bit of both. Cutler's pocket awareness has really improved during this stretch. He has done a great job moving to avoid sacks and buy more time. The line is definitely blocking better, too, although this unit will never be mistaken for a good line. They are competent and have done a good job of emphasizing their strengths while minimizing their weaknesses.

Hanie has at least been in the Martz system for a couple of years now so he's at least familiar with the offense. I think he can manage the game, but the Bears will need to get the running game back on track after two weeks of very pedestrian results.

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:24 pm

RobVarak wrote:
Brando70 wrote:
Lancer wrote:Brett Favre , Chicago Bear?

Doesn't big ben have a broken thumb this year and he's still playing?
Not all thumb injuries are created equal.

It's a tough blow, but I think the Bears can win with Caleb Hanie as long as they run the ball and play good defense. Next week's game at Oakland will be tough, but I think they still can beat the Broncos, Chefs, and Seahawks in that stretch. The Packers may be resting players by week 16 when the Bears visit Lambeau, and they close at the Vikings. I think 4-2 is achievable, and even 3-3 may still get them in the playoffs.
Such a shame. These last 5 games are the first time that the Bears have had a modern NFL offense in a long time. Sounds like Cutler will be back for the playoffs for sure, and possibly for the Vikings game.

It's amusing to see all the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments from the same brainless meatheads who were calling Cutler a p***y 10 months ago.

Amen to that, Rob. The people saying Cutler sucks and get Hanie out there are the loudest about how the Bears are doomed now. Idiots.

My new saying is "3 and 3 with Hanie." That should be enough for a wildcard.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:31 pm

DivotMaker wrote:
vinny-b wrote:
Disagree 100% and we'll see if Houston nosedives because they have a great running game and defense this year so far....
and no Matt Schaub.
And your point is? Matt has been more of a game manager this year relying on his skill positions (Foster, Tate, Dreesen, Daniel and that phenomenal O-Line) to make plays. They have relied far less on Schaub to make plays this year, have you seen his stats? Most of his stats are WAY down from previous years. Why? Because they can run the ball and control the clock with their game management passing attack.

Schaub's yards per game are only down about 9 percent compared to last year. A fair amount but not a dramatic amount. The Texans certainly can run but teams still have to respect Schaub's throwing, which they will not do with Leinart until he gives them a reason to do so.

I don't think Leinart can be dismissed outright because he hasn't played for the Texans yet, but there's nothing to suggest during his time with the Cardinals that he's a guy you can rely on. It's probably not much of an issue now because the Texans are good and their schedule is a real cakewalk. Playoffs could be a different story unless Leinart has a career turnaround.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:35 pm

TCrouch wrote:so if Martz is smart he won't keep calling the same plays where Hanie will get hit 12 to 15 times by the huge Raiders D-Linemen.

He is not smart.

He is the guy who demanded Todd Collins at #2 last year.
He is the guy who doesn't even like Hanie.
He is the guy who benched Johnny Knox for Roy Williams. Knox is not a great receiver but he can take the top off a defense.
He is the guy who had to be put in his place by the starting QB to start calling effective game plans.

Marts is a lot of things. Arrogant, full of himself, thinks he is a football genius. What he is not is smart.

The Bears could go 3 and 3 but a lot of that depends on Forte and he hasn't exactly been running the ball great the last 2 weeks when defenses have keyed on stopping him.

TCrouch · Post by **TCrouch** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:45 pm

Yeah, I was sort of tongue-in-cheek about Martz actually being smart.

But with regards to the running game, this will be the week it gets going. Oakland is pretty amazing at defending the run for 90% of the carries. You might end up with 35 out of 40 carries for 50 yards. But those OTHER 5 carries will be for like 190. The Raiders can overwhelm an offensive line and stuff runs at the line of scrimmage, but it's definitely a team that you'll end up with "famine-famine-famine-famine-famine-HUGE RIDICULOUS FEAST OF A 70 YARD RUN" against.

Hell, I think it was just last preseason where Forte himself hit them for an 88 yarder...IN PRESEASON. They can't even stop them in a vanilla scheme for 4 quarters.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:56 pm

Brando70 wrote:
TCrouch wrote:It'll be interesting to see if the OL really improved as much as it seems, or if Cutler was just doing that much more. Oakland has posted 11 sacks in the past 2 games and at least 2 dozen QB hits and 3 dozen pressures, most of it coming from the defensive linemen.
It's a little bit of both. Cutler's pocket awareness has really improved during this stretch. He has done a great job moving to avoid sacks and buy more time. The line is definitely blocking better, too, although this unit will never be mistaken for a good line. They are competent and have done a good job of emphasizing their strengths while minimizing their weaknesses.

Martz also adapted significantly by allowing Cutler to execute a lot of designed rollouts, boots, waggles etc. This was not something that he was willing to do last year (or ever in any of his other jobs, really), so either Cutler or the lack of a competent OL got him to finally innovate a bit. If you look at the pass plays called in weeks 1-4 and compare them to the last 3 games it looks like a completely different scheme.

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:25 pm

Brando70 wrote:Schaub's yards per game are only down about 9 percent compared to last year. A fair amount but not a dramatic amount. The Texans certainly can run but teams still have to respect Schaub's throwing, which they will not do with Leinart until he gives them a reason to do so.

I don't think Leinart can be dismissed outright because he hasn't played for the Texans yet, but there's nothing to suggest during his time with the Cardinals that he's a guy you can rely on. It's probably not much of an issue now because the Texans are good and their schedule is a real cakewalk. Playoffs could be a different story unless Leinart has a career turnaround.

Can't disagree with your analysis. Leinart still has to go out and perform and that is the unknown quantity. Based on his work in AZ, I can understand how many feel that the Texans will suffer offensively. However, they also have a pretty salty defense (ranked numero uno as of the past 4 weeks and improving each week). Who would have thought they would have had anything close to a #1 ranked defense this time last year? I damn sure didn't even after signing Wade Phillips as DC. I feel that the defense is going to be the key to the Texans regular season finish and if the D continues to improve despite losing Mario Williams (who was playing lights out when injured in the Oakland game) and Danieal Manning (may return before the regular season end). Brooks Reed and JJ Watt have been incredible draft picks and bringing in Jonathan Joseph (CB) has really improved this defense. And this is all being led by Brian Cushing who is back to his performance levels of and in some cases surpassing his Rookie season.

And yes, they have a pretty light schedule down the stretch, but Cincy and ATL are no cakewalk IMO. We will soon see if Kubiak's faith in bringing Leinart back this year will pay off.....

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:47 pm

DivotMaker wrote:And yes, they have a pretty light schedule down the stretch, but Cincy and ATL are no cakewalk IMO. We will soon see if Kubiak's faith in bringing Leinart back this year will pay off.....

Right, but with a two-game lead and some of the teams they play, they look in pretty good shape for the division title.

To be fair, most teams are screwed when their #1 QB goes down. It's usually a question of whether you're screwed a lot or a little. It's interesting to compare it to the Bears situation: would you rather have a former first-rounder who disappointed or an unknown quantity? The correct answer is neither, you'd rather have your starter.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:51 pm

RobVarak wrote:Martz also adapted significantly by allowing Cutler to execute a lot of designed rollouts, boots, waggles etc. This was not something that he was willing to do last year (or ever in any of his other jobs, really), so either Cutler or the lack of a competent OL got him to finally innovate a bit. If you look at the pass plays called in weeks 1-4 and compare them to the last 3 games it looks like a completely different scheme.

I agree. I almost can't believe I'm saying this, but it's like the Bears coaching staff learned a lot after the Detroit loss and made a lot of smart adjustments to their strategies. You know, the way REAL NFL coaches do.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:34 pm

Brando70 wrote:
RobVarak wrote:Martz also adapted significantly by allowing Cutler to execute a lot of designed rollouts, boots, waggles etc. This was not something that he was willing to do last year (or ever in any of his other jobs, really), so either Cutler or the lack of a competent OL got him to finally innovate a bit. If you look at the pass plays called in weeks 1-4 and compare them to the last 3 games it looks like a completely different scheme.
I agree. I almost can't believe I'm saying this, but it's like the Bears coaching staff learned a lot after the Detroit loss and made a lot of smart adjustments to their strategies. You know, the way REAL NFL coaches do.

I know Martz and I have been impressed. He took the shackles off of Cutler and let him be Cutler. Not an easy thing for ego man to do.

This will hurt. He has been GREAT the last five weeks. GREAT.

fletcher21 · Post by **fletcher21** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:14 pm

Suh is the dirtiest player since Bill Romanowski. The fact he denied that he tried to step on that guy is laughable, since anyone can see he did it on purpose. He can play A+ football, but he's an angry guy who can't seem to control himself out there. Lions sure fell off a cliff, too.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:24 pm

I was a quasi Suh fan before today. You know....His play at Nebraska. I wanted him for the Rams instead of Bradford....No longer.

Really idiot? You didnt have your balance?

What a piece of crap.

Packers kept the 72 Dolphins champagne party at bay and the 11 Dolphins almost had the W in Dallas. I was entertained in one way or another at least for the most part.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:18 pm

Goodell is going to suspend Suh for a game. He's compiled too many frequent offender miles.

bdunn13 · Post by **bdunn13** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:56 am

He fits in nicely with Nick Fairley.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:01 pm

The Ravens are going to be very tough if they can manage to play their playoff games at home. They have Indy and Cleveland at Baltimore with road games against San Diego and Cincy. If they go 3-1 in that stretch I think they'll lock up the top AFC seed.

I am also really going to savor the Lions missing the playoffs. I just hope that the Packers have a reason to try in their finale so that they can drive that final nail in Detroit's playoff hopes as late as possible.

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:10 pm

Brando70 wrote:The Ravens are going to be very tough if they can manage to play their playoff games at home. They have Indy and Cleveland at Baltimore with road games against San Diego and Cincy. If they go 3-1 in that stretch I think they'll lock up the top AFC seed.

I am also really going to savor the Lions missing the playoffs. I just hope that the Packers have a reason to try in their finale so that they can drive that final nail in Detroit's playoff hopes as late as possible.

The Ravens are playing themselves on the road this year?

I actually want to see the Lions eliminated as early as possible so we can watch the ensuing meltdown.

vinny-b · Post by **vinny-b** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:22 pm

go B U F F A L O !!!

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:38 pm

Spags please leave.

The end of the half was grotesque and this man has to start getting some of the credit for the lack of discipline and lack of execution.

First and goal at the 3 with 43 seconds and one time out.
False start to begin...Talk about brain dead fat fucks the Rams got em...Its been season after season of false start adter false start.

First and goal at the 8 with 43 seconds and one time out.
Jail break sack for a loss of 9. Talk about brain dead fat fucks who cant block, the Rams got em. The Rams lead the NFL in sacks allowed.

Second and goal at the 17 with 38 seconds left. ....Hello Spags the clock is ticking....After 26 seconds run off the clock spags decides to call a time out...wow...what?...wow.....what?...yeah the dumbshit let 26 seconds run before calling a time out. Its SECOND DOWN YOU f***in ASSHOLE! WAKE THE f*** UP!

Okay...Now that we figured how to speak the words time out...Lets try that SECOND down play.
Second and goal at the 17 with 12 seconds to go.
Incomplete.

Third and goal at the 17 with 7 seconds to go.
FG...finally an NFL play....

I have seen alot of garbage over the last ten years but that was disgusting and disgraceful from top to bottom.

Spags must go NOW!

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:57 pm

Watching NFL Redzone....this week has turned into a turnover-fest. Every other highlight is a fumble or pick.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:03 pm

In a world where everyone challenges everything its good to see that Spags did NOT challenge what was clearly a bad call on that fumble that gave the Cards the ball and then the lead.

WOW!!!

bad to worse....

Spags = PATHETIC.

P.O.S.

NOW a punt return for a TD....Back to Skyrim.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:43 pm

Woo hoo.

AZ fumbles. SJ picks up a blitz and Bradford hits lloyd for a 16 yd TD. Tie game.

Why do I care bout these losers? I dunno. I do.

Sighssssssssssss
That tie did not last long. Cards Fg after Wells goes for 57 yds...... Wells now has 207 yds in the game. So much for the defense being the bright side.

Thats the game. Cards get two first down to run out the clock after the Rams choke away a 3rd and one with and stupid incomplete pass and then a cowards punt.

Thats lamb football over the last decade. Lose and look stupid doing it.
At this point Im in a hurry for the season to end so I never have to look at that f***in p***y again.

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