OT: Elections/Politics thread, part 5

[Jackdog]

Look, if you're going to keep looking backward, at least get some 20/20 lenses to see through. There doesn't need to be?!? What kind of sentiment is that? Who's 'watch' 9/11 happened on? Bill Clinton lamented that it didn't happen on his-he wanted the legacy! The 1990's were a complete setup to 9/11, and, outside of kool aid drinking, there's no real reason to think differently.

But hey...you guys want to live in the past and continue to run against W, fine by me...

While we're talking about the past.

The 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000.
On U.S. soil

April 19,1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

June 25, 1996: Terrorists strike at a Marines barracks (the Khobar Towers apartments) in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. They killed 19 Americans and wounded 300 others
Military barracks considered U.S. soil

On Aug. 7, 1998 The U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, were bombed by terrorists, leaving 258 people dead and more than 5,000 injured. Some 1,000 were permanently blinded by flying glass.
U.S. embassies are considered U.S. soil

October 12, 2000 - Terrorism strikes and almost sinks the Destroyer USS Cole in Yemen. President Bill Clinton does nothing and Reinforces the perception that the United States lacks the will to either defend itself or battle terrorism in spite of considerable loss of life. There was no follow-up. U.S. Navy vessels are considered U.S. soil

That's 5 attacks with littlel or no response from Clinton.

Since 9/11 and no other attacks in 7 yrs, Al Qaeda’s top people are captured, dead or on the run. An independent study shows that deaths from terrorism have actually declined by more than 40 percent since 2001 around the world.

I'll tell you what. Bill Clinton ain't getting my vote in Nov!!!!!!

[GameSeven]

Neither candidate has been successful in the general election season by being positive, and anyone who tries to be positive is ridiculed for being out of touch with the decidedly negative circumstances and mood of the voters.

Save this quote for '12, '16 and '20 as, sadly, it appears to worsen election after election.

[Jackdog]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... -clas.html

“Do you believe in the American dream?” a local plumber asked.

Obama said he did.

"I'm being taxed more and more for fulfilling the American dream,” the man said, in comments interpreted by reporters as a reference to the Democrat's proposal to increase income taxes on those making $200,000 or more a year.

Obama recited his now-familiar talking points about 95 percent of the American people would get a tax cut under his plan.

The plumber did not seem convinced.

As Obama left the man, he said, "I've got to go prepare for this debate, but that was pretty good practice."

What Obama really told the plumber.who owns his own shop.

Barack Obama campaigned today door-to-door in a middle class Ohio neighborhood where he ran into a plumber who questioned Obama about the impact of his tax plan on a business the plumber planned to buy. Obama explained that the plumber should vote for Obama even though he would raise his taxes because:

“I’m gonna cut taxes a little bit more for the folks who are most in need and for the 5% of the folks who are doing very well - even though they’ve been working hard and I appreciate that – I just want to make sure they’re paying a little bit more in order to pay for those other tax cuts,” Obama said.

“It’s not that I want to punish your success – I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you – that they’ve got a chance at success too.”

Compulsory redistribution of income from a plumber to other working people. What’s fair about that?

Obama wants to eliminate personal income tax cuts that benefit the wealthiest Americans: individuals earning more than $200,000 a year and married couples earning more than $250,000.

That $250,000 figure covers many of the leading business owners who read Fortune Small Business, and it has become a campaign flash point. McCain and his surrogates argue that raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans means raising taxes on the hard-earned success of small-business owners, because many have organized their companies as partnerships and Schedule C corporations, which pay tax at the individual rate.

According to the Tax Policy Center, 663,608 taxpayers with business income (or losses) fall into the top two tax brackets and could be subject to Obama's tax increase. But according to Center fellow Len Berman, many - nobody knows how many - of those taxpayers are not full-time entrepreneurs. "Most owners of small businesses," he says, "have small incomes."

I owned a small landscaping business(1996) and a small trucking company (1998-2000 4 Trucks). Both made over 250,000 in the first year. That wasn't net but gross. The landscaping company made me a whopping 22,000 or so after paying for insurance,labor, maintenance,fuel and countless other costs. Trucking was a bit better but not much. I netted around 28,000 after paying expenses,way too mant to mention. I had to close the doors on both of them because I couldn't keep up with the taxes.

I believe Obama's plan will hurt middle class small business owners. This is just one of the reasons I couldn't vote for him.

[Jackdog]

McCain being McCain. Why to play that race card John!

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John Lewis on the other hand.

Civil rights icon and Georgia congressman John Lewis is accusing John McCain and Sarah Palin of stoking hate, likening the atmosphere at Republican campaign events to those featuring George Wallace, the segregationist former governor of Alabama and presidential candidate. McCain's campaign has responded with a statement in the candidate's name, urging Barack Obama to repudiate Lewis's comments.

"What I am seeing reminds me too much of another destructive period in American history," Lewis said in a statement issued today for Politico's Arena forum. "Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse."

Lewis didn't accuse McCain of imitating Wallace, but suggested there were similarities.

"George Wallace never threw a bomb," Lewis noted. "He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights. Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed on Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Alabama."

Lewis's sharp words may be dismissed as those of a partisan Democrat in a campaign season. But the former head of SNCC and hero of Selma is somebody who McCain has lavished praise upon over the years, including admiring him in a book on courage and bravery and repeatedly invoking Lewis's name in public appearances.

Appearing with Barack Obama at a forum at Rick Warren's Saddleback Church in August, McCain included Lewis as one of "three wise men" he would consult as president.

"He can teach us all a lot about the meaning of courage and commitment to causes greater than our self-interest," McCain said of Lewis.

Now, Lewis is castigating McCain in the harshest of terms.

“As public figures with the power to influence and persuade, Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are playing with fire, and if they are not careful, that fire will consume us all," Lewis said today. "They are playing a very dangerous game that disregards the value of the political process and cheapens our entire democracy. We can do better. The American people deserve better.”

McCain responded with disappointment, but also a challenge to Obama.

"I am saddened that John Lewis, a man I've always admired, would make such a brazen and baseless attack on my character and the character of the thousands of hardworking Americans who come to our events to cheer for the kind of reform that will put America on the right track," the GOP nominee said in a statement this afternoon.

He added: "I call on Senator Obama to immediately and personally repudiate these outrageous and divisive comments that are so clearly designed to shut down debate 24 days before the election. Our country must return to the important debate about the path forward for America.”

Obama's campaign distanced themselves from Lewis's Wallace language but took a shot at Palin for some of her tough charges of late.

“Senator Obama does not believe that John McCain or his policy criticism is in any way comparable to George Wallace or his segregationist policies," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton. "But John Lewis was right to condemn some of the hateful rhetoric that John McCain himself personally rebuked just last night, as well as the baseless and profoundly irresponsible charges from his own running mate that the Democratic nominee for President of the United States ‘pals around with terrorists.’

"As Barack Obama has said himself, the last thing we need from either party is the kind of angry, divisive rhetoric that tears us apart at a time of crisis when we desperately need to come together. That is the kind of campaign Senator Obama will continue to run in the weeks ahead,”

George Wallace??

[pk500]

That video was revealing, but not because of anything McCain said.

I'm not blowing our horn here at DSP, but we're not the typical American voter. We discuss issues with knowledge and passion, usually in a rational fashion.

That frazzle-haired broad at the end of this McCain video -- the one who called Obama an Arab -- IS the typical American voter. They don't base their voting decisions on careful study of issues. Instead, they either hang on to ideologies of the past or fasten themselves to smears and myths either spread by media or the Internet.

Teal, the above video explains beautifully why I have said to you a couple of times in the last week that you give the American electorate too much credit.

Take care,
PK

[GTHobbes]

When desperate, do what all good politicians do...LIE!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

"I'll crush Obama in debate, says McCain" [Has he watched his own performance in any of the past debates?]

"With Election Day just three weeks away, John McCain will unveil a new stump speech Monday that will signal his campaign's closing push. McCain's remarks will speak to the need for Americans to evaluate and consider the new direction this country must take, and which candidate has the proven record, experience and readiness to deliver against growing challenges.

An excerpt from his prepared remarks below:

"Let me give you the state of the race today. We have 22 days to go. We’re 6 points down. The national media has written us off. Senator Obama is measuring the drapes, and planning with Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid to raise taxes [Really??], increase spending [what about that $300 billion housing rescue plan, John], take away your right to vote by secret ballot in labor elections [I hadn't read about that], and concede defeat in Iraq [again, Really?]. But they forgot to let you decide. My friends, we’ve got them just where we want them [Good for you, John].

"What America needs in this hour is a fighter [or someone who knows how to crash a jet]; someone who puts all his cards on the table and trusts the judgment of the American people. I come from a long line of McCains [how do you think I got where I am today] who believed that to love America is to fight for her. I have fought for you most of my life [once again, Really?]. There are other ways to love this country, but I’ve never been the kind to do it from the sidelines."

[Jackdog]

Forgetting about all the play by play commentary provided on the screen by whatever yahoo typed it up there, it's interesting to see the reactions of the 'tolerant' left to a group of people simply marching through a neighborhood in support of McCain/Palin:

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And all they want to talk about in the news is the 'hateful' people at McCain rallies. There are nuts in every crowd, but there are several more in this video than you'll find in the McCain rallies...

More Knuckle-draggers.

The media has been busy reporting the "anger" of the conservatives at the McCain/Palin rallies, how supporters want McCain to get tougher on Obama and force Obama's terrorist associations into the eyes of the public and how McCain has been forced to "defend" poor little Barack Obama.....but where are the media reports about Obama supporters wearing t-shirts calling Sarah Palin a c***?

Have you seen this reported anywhere at all?

Please let me know where and I will add the link as an update.

This picture came to me via email, the email text is below:

I was at a Sarah Palin event in Philadelphia, at the Park Hyatt Hotel - late Saturday afternoon (Oct. 11th). If you are easily grossed out by the "C" word, I am sorry. But as Andrea says below, if McCain supporters wore a shirt that said "Obama is a Nigger" or even "Obama is a Bastard" or "Obama is a Terrorist" at an Obama Rally, they would either be thrown off the premises, have their heads kicked in, or even be detained at the local police station (I know this for a fact: I just had on a McCain button at a recent Obama event and I didn't think I was going to get out alive).

Sorry the picture is not clearer. But these four young people were right in front of the hotel. They have on the nicest shirts. There were worse. There was group as well carrying around a fake dead fetus - exclaiming that "abortion should have been the path for Bristol(?) Palin". And quite a few smoke bombs, etc. etc.

I also had some nice words thrown at me.

There were about 500 organized protesters. And about 500 not so organized at this event. The police and hotel security and secret service were letting me all the way up to the hotel steps. In a few cased ... a few protesters got into the lobby.

In my family, the "C" word is about as bad as you can get.

Was this reported on the Philadelphia News. No!. Was anyone outraged? No!. All that was on the Philadelphia local news last night was: Obama was at several rallies in Philadelphia earlier in the day (but went home Saturday night to be with his children). Obama and Palin were in Philly on the same day. And was there any mention of Palin - No!. In the Sports section of the local evening news at 11:00PM, they did mention that Palin was at the Philadelphia Flyers game "dropping the first (hockey) puck". The guy said it with a smirk. Then he added that Sarah Palin WAS NOT going home to spend the evening with her children.

Sorry the attached picture is not clearer. I need a new camera. Please circulate this to as many people as possible and let them see the double standard.

Not good stuff for a Sunday morning. But this is the REAL AMERICA!.

- Frank (Last name redacted for privacy by WUA management).


A PS from Andrea (last name redacted by WUA):

Calling Sarah Palin a c*** would be the equivalent of a group of protesters calling Obama a nigger. If that ever happened you know we would be seeing it for weeks replayed endlessly with discussions about how the race is still close because Americans are racist.

Fox News covered the topic this morning.

[Teal]

Classy bunch. I can't believe these shitasses get to vote. They don't act nearly old enough.

And Fox only reported it because they're in the tank for McCain...

[Jackdog]

Classy bunch. I can't believe these shitasses get to vote. They don't act nearly old enough.

And Fox only reported it because they're in the tank for McCain...

I have pretty big balls,but I don't think I would wear that shirt in public. I can't believe a women would wear that.

[Jackdog]

"What America needs in this hour is a fighter [or someone who knows how to crash a jet]; someone who puts all his cards on the table and trusts the judgment of the American people. I come from a long line of McCains [how do you think I got where I am today] who believed that to love America is to fight for her. I have fought for you most of my life [once again, Really?]. There are other ways to love this country, but I’ve never been the kind to do it from the sidelines."

Your attempt at humor about McCains service escapes me.

[Jackdog]

Classy!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/0 ... 31127.html

[Teal]

"What America needs in this hour is a fighter [or someone who knows how to crash a jet]; someone who puts all his cards on the table and trusts the judgment of the American people. I come from a long line of McCains [how do you think I got where I am today] who believed that to love America is to fight for her. I have fought for you most of my life [once again, Really?]. There are other ways to love this country, but I’ve never been the kind to do it from the sidelines."

Your attempt at humor about McCains service escapes me.

Pisses me off. The man's military heroism is not something you have any business impugning. Politics? Have at it. But I have no patience for stupid s*** like this.

[XXXIV]

"What America needs in this hour is a fighter [or someone who knows how to crash a jet]; someone who puts all his cards on the table and trusts the judgment of the American people. I come from a long line of McCains [how do you think I got where I am today] who believed that to love America is to fight for her. I have fought for you most of my life [once again, Really?]. There are other ways to love this country, but I’ve never been the kind to do it from the sidelines."

Your attempt at humor about McCains service escapes me.

I think you have to have genuine hatred for McCain to get the joke.

[FatPitcher]

When desperate, do what all good politicians do...LIE!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

"I'll crush Obama in debate, says McCain" [Has he watched his own performance in any of the past debates?]

"With Election Day just three weeks away, John McCain will unveil a new stump speech Monday that will signal his campaign's closing push. McCain's remarks will speak to the need for Americans to evaluate and consider the new direction this country must take, and which candidate has the proven record, experience and readiness to deliver against growing challenges.

An excerpt from his prepared remarks below:

"Let me give you the state of the race today. We have 22 days to go. We’re 6 points down. The national media has written us off. Senator Obama is measuring the drapes, and planning with Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid to raise taxes [Really??], increase spending [what about that $300 billion housing rescue plan, John], take away your right to vote by secret ballot in labor elections [I hadn't read about that], and concede defeat in Iraq [again, Really?]. But they forgot to let you decide. My friends, we’ve got them just where we want them [Good for you, John].

"What America needs in this hour is a fighter [or someone who knows how to crash a jet]; someone who puts all his cards on the table and trusts the judgment of the American people. I come from a long line of McCains [how do you think I got where I am today] who believed that to love America is to fight for her. I have fought for you most of my life [once again, Really?]. There are other ways to love this country, but I’ve never been the kind to do it from the sidelines."

You forgot to point out any lies.

[XXXIV]

When desperate, do what all good politicians do...LIE!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

"I'll crush Obama in debate, says McCain" [Has he watched his own performance in any of the past debates?]

"With Election Day just three weeks away, John McCain will unveil a new stump speech Monday that will signal his campaign's closing push. McCain's remarks will speak to the need for Americans to evaluate and consider the new direction this country must take, and which candidate has the proven record, experience and readiness to deliver against growing challenges.

An excerpt from his prepared remarks below:

"Let me give you the state of the race today. We have 22 days to go. We’re 6 points down. The national media has written us off. Senator Obama is measuring the drapes, and planning with Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid to raise taxes [Really??], increase spending [what about that $300 billion housing rescue plan, John], take away your right to vote by secret ballot in labor elections [I hadn't read about that], and concede defeat in Iraq [again, Really?]. But they forgot to let you decide. My friends, we’ve got them just where we want them [Good for you, John].

"What America needs in this hour is a fighter [or someone who knows how to crash a jet]; someone who puts all his cards on the table and trusts the judgment of the American people. I come from a long line of McCains [how do you think I got where I am today] who believed that to love America is to fight for her. I have fought for you most of my life [once again, Really?]. There are other ways to love this country, but I’ve never been the kind to do it from the sidelines."

You forgot to point out any lies.

I believe he means that everything McCain has said , says or will ever say is a lie.

[Jackdog]

This kid sounds pretty cool for an 18 year old.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081013/ap_ ... heartthrob

[FatPitcher]

But tax hikes make me feel warm and fuzzy that I'm improving humanity

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... -econ.html

Anyone remember Bill Clinton in 1992 saying he wasn't going to increase taxes on the middle class? He did, shortly after taking office.

Beware Democrats bearing tax cuts.

[XXXIV]

Look, if you're going to keep looking backward, at least get some 20/20 lenses to see through. There doesn't need to be?!? What kind of sentiment is that? Who's 'watch' 9/11 happened on? Bill Clinton lamented that it didn't happen on his-he wanted the legacy! The 1990's were a complete setup to 9/11, and, outside of kool aid drinking, there's no real reason to think differently.

But hey...you guys want to live in the past and continue to run against W, fine by me...

While we're talking about the past.

The 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000.
On U.S. soil

April 19,1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

June 25, 1996: Terrorists strike at a Marines barracks (the Khobar Towers apartments) in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. They killed 19 Americans and wounded 300 others
Military barracks considered U.S. soil

On Aug. 7, 1998 The U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, were bombed by terrorists, leaving 258 people dead and more than 5,000 injured. Some 1,000 were permanently blinded by flying glass.
U.S. embassies are considered U.S. soil

October 12, 2000 - Terrorism strikes and almost sinks the Destroyer USS Cole in Yemen. President Bill Clinton does nothing and Reinforces the perception that the United States lacks the will to either defend itself or battle terrorism in spite of considerable loss of life. There was no follow-up. U.S. Navy vessels are considered U.S. soil

That's 5 attacks with littlel or no response from Clinton.

Since 9/11 and no other attacks in 7 yrs, Al Qaeda’s top people are captured, dead or on the run. An independent study shows that deaths from terrorism have actually declined by more than 40 percent since 2001 around the world.

I'll tell you what. Bill Clinton ain't getting my vote in Nov!!!!!!

Clinton took his walking orders directly from Bush.

[Jackdog]

Man! I am watching the voter fraud hearings in Cleveland and I feel really bad for the guy ACORN screwed over. ACORN is hurting the people they were supposed to help. Pretty f*cked up stuff.

[GameSeven]

When desperate, do what all good politicians do...LIE!

Uh.... really? No, really? You mean, really?!

[RobVarak]

Beware Democrats bearing tax cuts.

Dude, now you're just plagiarizing me I made the same point with the same phrase last thread with a link to the WSJ about how Clinton bamboozled the "middle class" in '92 LOL

There is something just incredibly attractive to the electorate about a Democrat who promises tax cuts, particularly in tough economic times. It's understandable, really. Events can make people willing to suspend disbelief, and the idea of government helping more while only charging "the rich" for the privilege is alluring.

Of course it's a siren's song, but nevertheless effective.

[GTHobbes]

"What America needs in this hour is a fighter [or someone who knows how to crash a jet]; someone who puts all his cards on the table and trusts the judgment of the American people. I come from a long line of McCains [how do you think I got where I am today] who believed that to love America is to fight for her. I have fought for you most of my life [once again, Really?]. There are other ways to love this country, but I’ve never been the kind to do it from the sidelines."

Your attempt at humor about McCains service escapes me.

Pisses me off. The man's military heroism is not something you have any business impugning. Politics? Have at it. But I have no patience for stupid s*** like this.

Don't like reading the truth about the Make Believe Maverick, eh? Guess you never got around to reading the RS article I posted in the old thread.

[pk500]

Don't like reading the truth about the Make Believe Maverick, eh? Guess you never got around to reading the RS article I posted in the old thread.

What was make-believe about McCain's five years of captivity or about the injuries he suffered when his plane went down?

Are those myths that should be filed along with "Man actually landed on the Moon" and "There was only one shooter in Dallas?" Or should we put them in the same file as "The Apollo program took place on a soundstage in Hollywood" and "There were at least four gunmen taking shots at JFK?"

I'm not voting for McCain, GT, but come on.

Take care,
PK

[JackB1]

Look, if you're going to keep looking backward, at least get some 20/20 lenses to see through. There doesn't need to be?!? What kind of sentiment is that? Who's 'watch' 9/11 happened on? Bill Clinton lamented that it didn't happen on his-he wanted the legacy! The 1990's were a complete setup to 9/11, and, outside of kool aid drinking, there's no real reason to think differently.

But hey...you guys want to live in the past and continue to run against W, fine by me...

I am saying that Al Queda doesn't "need" to do anything more because we are doing a good enough job of taking ourselves down. You don't need to pour more gasoline on a fire that already burning. As far as who's to blame for 9/11, you can trace it all the way back to Lincoln if you want, but our CURRENT President is in charge of protecting our country, regardless of everything that happened before they came into the office.
There are piles of evidence and investigations that proved Bush ignored multiple warnings of pending attacks by Al Queda with airplanes.

The reason why you analyze the past is to learn from it. You want to ignore it all, that's fine. Bush ignored the fact that Iraq had no WMD's and continued to forge ahead with his "Let's Make Iraq a Democracy" plan, while bankrupting his own country in the process. Yea, I'm angry. I wonder if all those families who lost their young men and women in this war are ready to stop "living in the past"?

[GTHobbes]

Read the article, PK...it's a long one, but it's pretty informative.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/covers ... ohn_mccain